Donald Trump offers to rebuild World Trade Center twin towers

[Ally_Kat]

Donald Trump offers to rebuild World Trade Center twin towers

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New York property tycoon Donald Trump unveiled his design for "bigger, stronger and better" twin towers to replace the World Trade Center originals destroyed on September 11, 2001.

Denouncing the existing plans for rebuilding Ground Zero as the "worst pile of crap architecture I've ever seen," Trump argued that erecting two new, even taller twin towers was the only valid response to the terrorists.

The consummate self-promoter, known as "The Donald," showed off his proposal just weeks after the official master design was put on hold because of security concerns surrounding the centerpiece 1,776 foot Freedom Tower.

Describing the Freedom Tower as an "empty skeleton," Trump said its construction would be a capitulation.

"If we rebuild the World Trade Center in the form of a skeleton ... the terrorists win. It's that bad," he told reporters gathered in the lobby of his Fifth Avenue Trump Towers headquarters in Manhattan.

The design put forward by Trump and his structural engineer Kenneth Gardner, essentially offers a modified version of the original twin towers, erected in the early 1970s.

The replacements would be at least 1,475-feet (449.6 m) tall, more than 100 feet (30.1 m) higher than their previous incarnations. The new North Tower would also boast a 383-foot (116.7 m) communications mast.

"It's bigger, it's stronger and it's better than the previous World Trade Center, and it sets the right tone and the right attitude," Trump said, adding that some members of the public who had seen the model had been moved to tears.

Charles Wolf, whose wife was killed in the North Tower, was more circumspect in his appraisal of the model.

"It spooked me when I first saw it ... the idea of the towers rising again," Wolf said.

"I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's an interesting idea," he added.

The Trump-backed towers -- he promised not to attach his name to the buildings -- would employ a tube-within-a-tube design with improved fireproofing and larger stairwells.

Gardner said the structures would be able to withstand the kind of attacks that brought down the original towers on September 11, 2001 killing 2,479 people.

Ground Zero master planner Daniel Libeskind, branded an "egghead" by Trump over the design of the Freedom Tower, fired off a letter to the property tycoon this week, pointing out that he was not responsible for the building's problems.

The Polish-born architect stressed that the footprint and twisting shape of the tower were the work of David Childs, who was hired by Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein to modify Libeskind's vision.

"I am sure that all of us, whatever the shape of our head or its decorative accessory agree that security is the paramount concern for the new tower," Libeskind wrote in a thinly-veiled dig at Trump's distinctive hairstyle.

In a report published in April, the New York Police Department voiced concerns that the planned location of the Freedom Tower was too close to Manhattan's Westside Highway.

A subsequent meeting between New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Governor George Pataki and police officials concluded that a new design was required.

"They should throw it all away," was Trump's assessment of the design rethink.

"This is what people want," he said of his own proposal. "It's a better memorial. It's a greater building. This is what the World Trade Center was."

The Freedom Tower was originally scheduled to be topped out at the end of 2008 or the beginning of 2009.

The design of the tower, and indeed that of the entire Ground Zero redevelopment project, has been the source of bitter dispute -- between the architects involved and also the often competing interests of the victims' families, the developers and the politicians.

The tensions have arisen from the different priorities attached to the project, with some seeing a site of remembrance, others a future place of work and still more a symbol of rebirth.

[Ally_Kat]

Denouncing the existing plans for rebuilding Ground Zero as the "worst pile of crap architecture I've ever seen," Trump argued that erecting two new, even taller twin towers was the only valid response to the terrorists.

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"They should throw it all away," was Trump's assessment of the design rethink.

"This is what people want," he said of his own proposal. "It's a better memorial. It's a greater building. This is what the World Trade Center was."



Haha - classic! Same thing I would have done and said.

[FORD]

Are they going to paint a big bullseye on them this time?

This is stupid. Building ANY ridiculously tall building on that site is stupid.

Who the Hell is going to rent space on the 80th floor of that building?

Maybe they could put some affordable housing in there instead? Something that might benefit people a little more than half empty skyscrapers that are painful reminders of the BCE's greatest crime.

[steve]

Trump's a tool.
Libeskind's design is asthetically beautiful, provides a wonderful tribute to the heros of 911 thorough thoughtful design, and leaves the footprints of the towers as memorial parks for the dead.

[Seshmeister]

Is he going to put a ridiculous huge fake furry animal on the top?

[lucky wilbury]

i find it intersting most people in nyc want the towers back and people outside don't want it back.

[steve]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
i find it intersting most people in nyc want the towers back and people outside don't want it back.

Wilbury Polling Agency.
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[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by steve
Wilbury Polling Agency.
Established 2005
Disbanded 2005
Total Polls taken: 0
Total Polls quoted: 1

well lets see i'm for the towers being rebuilt and so is ally both from nyc those againest are ford, sesh and yourself all not from the city. if you've been reading any of the papers in the city you would know that there has been a call to rebuild them but if you want polls:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/23038.htm
Shuster did a poll on the MSNBC Web site: 80 percent of the 3,483 respondents voted to rebuild the Twin Towers.

and there has been a building chorus of opeds and articles wanting the towers being rebuilt.

[steve]

A poll on David Shuster's blog - and the only folks reading it were ones that already agreed with him.

It would be sort of like posting a poll on this site regarding DLR. :)

When all the proposals were put forth, I remember reading many opinion columns of New Yorkers against all of the different proposals that mimicked the Twin Towers.
Tons of polls were posted on various web sites at the time of the design competition and the Libeskind proposal was the runaway winner.

This NYer elistist crap is tired.
Oh yeah, and Donald Trump is a retard.



On a more serious note, perhaps folks are changing their minds now - but for Donald Trump to get up there in his tacky-ass solid gold apartment and Daniel Boone haircut and slam the Libeskind design - which, if one read about was tirelessly thought out to specifically pay tribute to the firefighters, the fallen, ...just every thing Architecturally - was really insulting.

Just because he wants to bring back the Twin Towers, there is no reason to be totally ignorant about the other proposal:
http://216.250.230.16/newwtcdesign.jpg
http://academics.triton.edu/faculty/fheitzman/freedom%20tower%202.jpg

[LoungeMachine]

This is no different then when he threw his rug in the ring for prez....

He's a publicity WHORE

[4moreyears]

I think "The Donald" is a total tool. But I do agree with him, I think his solution for the space for ground zero is much better than the current design. I think making a statement that America is back with larger World Trade Towers II would send a message that we have rebuilt it and are not afraid of the scumbag piece of shits that destroyed the first towers. The skyline of NYC is one of the most recgonized international landmarks in the world. Building something that is unattractive will impact the look of the skyline. Even though Donald is a total asshole he knows Real Estate better than almost anyone.

JH

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by steve
A poll on David Shuster's blog - and the only folks reading it were ones that already agreed with him.

It would be sort of like posting a poll on this site regarding DLR. :)

When all the proposals were put forth, I remember reading many opinion columns of New Yorkers against all of the different proposals that mimicked the Twin Towers.
Tons of polls were posted on various web sites at the time of the design competition and the Libeskind proposal was the runaway winner.

This NYer elistist crap is tired.
Oh yeah, and Donald Trump is a retard.



On a more serious note, perhaps folks are changing their minds now - but for Donald Trump to get up there in his tacky-ass solid gold apartment and Daniel Boone haircut and slam the Libeskind design - which, if one read about was tirelessly thought out to specifically pay tribute to the firefighters, the fallen, ...just every thing Architecturally - was really insulting.

Just because he wants to bring back the Twin Towers, there is no reason to be totally ignorant about the other proposal:
http://216.250.230.16/newwtcdesign.jpg
http://academics.triton.edu/faculty/fheitzman/freedom%20tower%202.jpg


i've never like the other design. i was using me and ally as examples of nyc'ers that want the towers back. the design is so out of place it's not funny. the majority of if isn't even a building its just scafolding. but if you want other polls:

http://www.restorewtc.com/pl.html

check out the ny 1 poll on the finalists where 64% don't like the designs or vote.com where 70% want the towers rebuilt

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by steve


When all the proposals were put forth, I remember reading many opinion columns of New Yorkers against all of the different proposals that mimicked the Twin Towers.
Tons of polls were posted on various web sites at the time of the design competition and the Libeskind proposal was the runaway winner.

Funny. All the Op-Ed columns I read were NYers bitching how the plans sucked and how we were going to continually lose jobs as they all went into Jersey seeing how an HUGE business complex was destroyed. The plans picked were the best of the worst.

And tons of polls were taken for people who actually live in NYC and guess what, we hate it.


Originally posted by steve

This NYer elistist crap is tired.


I'm sorry. Are you losing millions of dollars each day you would have gotten from sales tax and businesses because all the companies in DownTown left to Jersey because there were no more towers to hosue them? Did you lose your job because your building isn't there anymore or because your company was situated in the area which is now a death trap for business?


I know it was a national event and all, but I'm tired of out-of-staters telling us what's good for New Yorkers and then calling us elitest when we say we don't like something cuz it fucks us over.


We rebuilt the White House after the British burnt it to the ground. We rebuilt the Pentagon. The Towers were as well known.

[Nitro Express]

Donald Trump is good at looking "Bigger and Better" with other peoples money. The Donald has always been a poor investment and has never made money for any of his investors. He will go broke again because he is alway highly leveraged and has nothing to carry him through the slow times. Trump simply borrows so much money that he becomes a partners with the financial institutions who were dazzled by his bullshit. The Donald is all smoke and mirrors but he's good at exploiting his image for all it's worth. He's the posterboy for bullshit artist.

Trump often forgets these "Bigger and Better" projects need to be profitable. Something his "Best Casino Ever" Taj Mahal didn't do. In the OO's, sky scrapers are profitable up to 80 stories. Past that and you hit diminishing returns. Also upper stories sway in the wind more and make the people who work in them uncomfortable. Also, who is going to rent space in something that looks like the original towers? It would only remind people of the tragedy of 911.

No a new design is the way to go and the Freedom Tower will be world class in it's own right. The so called empty skelleton is full of asthetically pleasing wind mills and the building will actually have the capability of generating it's own electricity. The shape of the building will compliment the surrounding skyline and tie in with the statue of liberty and Brooklyn bridge.

The World Trade Center was a massive 1960's design. To be honest, I never thought they were that asthetically pleasing.

I think the Freedom Tower is a good compromise. It's a modern design that serves the function of rentable space, a memorial, and also a symbol of moving on from Sept. 11.

A lot of high tech thought has gone into the towers design to where it will reflect light a certain way, in certain conditions. The electricity generating windmills from a distance will give the building a unique effect of being dynamic instead of just a dead box in the air.

Trump just wants to use other people's money to build 25 more stories of unprofitable space. At least the Freedom Tower uses this space to generate something profitable and also look asthetic as well. It's a brilliant design in many ways.

[Nitro Express]

I thought the Vietnam Memorial was going to be a huge pooch screw. All those people killed and we honor them with some stupid black wall. I hated everything about it.

Man was I wrong. The Vietnam Memorial was well thought out and serves it's purpose better than something gaudy and more traditional.

Most people in Paris hated the Eiffle Tower when it was built. So we will see.

[Panamark]

As a third party unbiased onlooker.
I like the idea of rebuilding what the terrorists destroyed, but
stronger and better. Isnt that the ultimate "Fuck you" ??
Smash it down, we will come back bigger, better and stronger..
Those other designs looks horrible :(

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
Also, who is going to rent space in something that looks like the original towers? It would only remind people of the tragedy of 911.

The same people that still fly American and United, whose plans look similar to thoe flown into those buildings.


God Bless America.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
Donald Trump is good at looking "Bigger and Better" with other peoples money. The Donald has always been a poor investment and has never made money for any of his investors. He will go broke again because he is alway highly leveraged and has nothing to carry him through the slow times. Trump simply borrows so much money that he becomes a partners with the financial institutions who were dazzled by his bullshit. The Donald is all smoke and mirrors but he's good at exploiting his image for all it's worth. He's the posterboy for bullshit artist.

Trump often forgets these "Bigger and Better" projects need to be profitable. Something his "Best Casino Ever" Taj Mahal didn't do. In the OO's, sky scrapers are profitable up to 80 stories. Past that and you hit diminishing returns. Also upper stories sway in the wind more and make the people who work in them uncomfortable. Also, who is going to rent space in something that looks like the original towers? It would only remind people of the tragedy of 911.

No a new design is the way to go and the Freedom Tower will be world class in it's own right. The so called empty skelleton is full of asthetically pleasing wind mills and the building will actually have the capability of generating it's own electricity. The shape of the building will compliment the surrounding skyline and tie in with the statue of liberty and Brooklyn bridge.

The World Trade Center was a massive 1960's design. To be honest, I never thought they were that asthetically pleasing.

I think the Freedom Tower is a good compromise. It's a modern design that serves the function of rentable space, a memorial, and also a symbol of moving on from Sept. 11.

A lot of high tech thought has gone into the towers design to where it will reflect light a certain way, in certain conditions. The electricity generating windmills from a distance will give the building a unique effect of being dynamic instead of just a dead box in the air.

Trump just wants to use other people's money to build 25 more stories of unprofitable space. At least the Freedom Tower uses this space to generate something profitable and also look asthetic as well. It's a brilliant design in many ways.

Excellent post!

I wish people were a little more forward looking as opposed to just the knee-jerk defiance people associate with revenge.

I actually think they should go beyond "Freedom Tower' and build the world's largest freestanding structure with an emphasis on entertainment and gaming; the tourist dollars alone would justify this in the end. Maybe then, upstate New York wouldn't have to subsidize NYC's fucking football stadiums (among other things).:)

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
well lets see i'm for the towers being rebuilt and so is ally both f

Dunno where you got that from, I posted repeatedly the last time this came up that they should build something spectacular and tall.

Trump is still a baldy prick though.

[BigBadBrian]

Here's my vote: :D

http://www.temple.edu/isllc/newfolk/bigapple/images/bigapplee.jpg

[Seshmeister]

Doesn't affect me anyway.

I'm not going back until they get rid of that stupid smoking law...

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Dunno where you got that from, I posted repeatedly the last time this came up that they should build something spectacular and tall.

Trump is still a baldy prick though.

my bad then i could have sworn in the past you've said you didn't want the towers to be rebuilt

[Seshmeister]

I think a memorial is a win for the terrorists. Maybe a little plaque or something but that's all they should do.

All this memorial shit is like spending billions on a permanent altar to terrorism.

[Nitro Express]

LOL! Yeah, we should building Eight duplicate huge towers with all of them flying the largest American flags on the highest flag poles in the world. That would say Fuck You pretty good.

What the hell, maybe we should name the new tower complex the "Fuck You! Towers". LOL!

[monkeythe]

As a New Yorker, I want the towers rebuilt, but with one slight adjustment. make the top floor of 1 of the towers the new UN headquarters and the top of the other one home to all the foreign consulates of middle eastern countries

[Seshmeister]

There were plenty of people from Middle East killed in the WTC.

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
Are they going to paint a big bullseye on them this time?

This is stupid. Building ANY ridiculously tall building on that site is stupid.

Who the Hell is going to rent space on the 80th floor of that building?

Maybe they could put some affordable housing in there instead? Something that might benefit people a little more than half empty skyscrapers that are painful reminders of the BCE's greatest crime.


There is so much office space needed in that area, there will be people lined up to rent.

And there's no such thing as "affordable housing" in the financial district of Lower Manhattan.

[diamondD]

Oh yeah, if I had my way, they'd rebuild the towers. The Freedom Tower looks ok, but I'd rather rebuild.

[Big Train]

I think the owners should come up with a final few designs and have the people of NYC vote on it. Not that it has to be the way they vote, but it would give them a clear indication of what the people really want.

I'm fine with whatever they want to do. It's their city and their building to do as they please.

BTW, living in freedom, at as high a standard as your pursuit of happiness allows, is the best revenge....

[Panamark]

Rebuild em ! Exactly the same, with large Missile launchers mounted on the rooftops :D

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I think a memorial is a win for the terrorists. Maybe a little plaque or something but that's all they should do.

All this memorial shit is like spending billions on a permanent altar to terrorism.

I agree.

:eek:


:D


:gulp:

[diamondD]

I agree. The OKC bombing memorial is a great example, even tho they were American terrorists.

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by Panamark
As a third party unbiased onlooker.
I like the idea of rebuilding what the terrorists destroyed, but
stronger and better. Isnt that the ultimate "Fuck you" ??
Smash it down, we will come back bigger, better and stronger..
Those other designs looks horrible :(

couldn't agree more.
i always thought the original buildings looked great.

[steve]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Funny. All the Op-Ed columns I read were NYers bitching how the plans sucked and how we were going to continually lose jobs as they all went into Jersey seeing how an HUGE business complex was destroyed. The plans picked were the best of the worst.

And tons of polls were taken for people who actually live in NYC and guess what, we hate it.



I'm sorry. Are you losing millions of dollars each day you would have gotten from sales tax and businesses because all the companies in DownTown left to Jersey because there were no more towers to hosue them? Did you lose your job because your building isn't there anymore or because your company was situated in the area which is now a death trap for business?


I know it was a national event and all, but I'm tired of out-of-staters telling us what's good for New Yorkers and then calling us elitest when we say we don't like something cuz it fucks us over.


We rebuilt the White House after the British burnt it to the ground. We rebuilt the Pentagon. The Towers were as well known.

I'm sorry, did you say something?
Blah blah blah, I live in D.C.
No one else is allowed to have opinions about anything related to Washington, including politics.
If you don't live here, you are irrelevant.
Blah Blah.
Thankyou.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by steve
I'm sorry, did you say something?
Blah blah blah, I live in D.C.
No one else is allowed to have opinions about anything related to Washington, including politics.
If you don't live here, you are irrelevant.
Blah Blah.
Thankyou.

And I live near Buffalo, NY, which means that a large potion of my tax dollars go to NYC (as my county goes bankrupt), therefore, I AM ENTITLED!

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
I think the owners should come up with a final few designs and have the people of NYC vote on it. Not that it has to be the way they vote, but it would give them a clear indication of what the people really want.

I'm fine with whatever they want to do. It's their city and their building to do as they please.

BTW, living in freedom, at as high a standard as your pursuit of happiness allows, is the best revenge....

OK, since you brought freedom into it, how about this....

1) Rebuild the towers as they were.

2) Abolish the "patriot act" and any other fascist piece of shit legislation written since.

3) Destroy ALL electronic voting machines and mandate a paper ballot in every state.

4) Break up corporatist media empires.

5) Impeach the traitorous criminal BCE and imprison them for life

THEN we can talk about Freedom.

[BigBadBrian]

Also, New York City fucking ships garbage to Virginia to be buried in our landfills so I want a damned say on that building also! :mad:

:cool:

:gulp:

[FORD]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Also, New York City fucking ships garbage to Virginia to be buried in our landfills so I want a damned say on that building also! :mad:

:cool:

:gulp:

Too bad they didn't ship the remains of the World Trade Center to Virginia, because then the evidence could still be analyzed to some degree.

Instead, due to the efforts of a CIA front company with the odd name of Controlled Demolitions Inc. it was all sent out, literally, on the slow boat to China.

Now what's up with that shit? You would almost think they were trying to cover up something.......

[lucky wilbury]

:rolleyes: you can go get you microscope and your inspector gadet outfit and head over to fresh kills and look at the stuff

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
Too bad they didn't ship the remains of the World Trade Center to Virginia, because then the evidence could still be analyzed to some degree.

Instead, due to the efforts of a CIA front company with the odd name of Controlled Demolitions Inc. it was all sent out, literally, on the slow boat to China.

Now what's up with that shit? You would almost think they were trying to cover up something.......

:rolleyes:

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by FORD
Too bad they didn't ship the remains of the World Trade Center to Virginia, because then the evidence could still be analyzed to some degree.

Instead, due to the efforts of a CIA front company with the odd name of Controlled Demolitions Inc. it was all sent out, literally, on the slow boat to China.

Now what's up with that shit? You would almost think they were trying to cover up something.......

Your right Ford. Do you think President ordered the Airlines to fly the planes into The Pentagon and WTC buildings so he could go to war. This would give the country a reason to stand behind his "War on Terror".

You Dumb Fuck!!!

[UGS]

Originally posted by Panamark
As a third party unbiased onlooker.
I like the idea of rebuilding what the terrorists destroyed, but
stronger and better. Isnt that the ultimate "Fuck you" ??
Smash it down, we will come back bigger, better and stronger..
Those other designs looks horrible :(

Exactly. What would Europe look like if Europeans were too chicken shit to rebuild after WWII?

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by UGS
Exactly. What would Europe look like if Europeans were too chicken shit to rebuild after WWII?

Liberal City or Pussyville, which is the same place.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by FORD
OK, since you brought freedom into it, how about this....

1) Rebuild the towers as they were.

2) Abolish the "patriot act" and any other fascist piece of shit legislation written since.

3) Destroy ALL electronic voting machines and mandate a paper ballot in every state.

4) Break up corporatist media empires.

5) Impeach the traitorous criminal BCE and imprison them for life

THEN we can talk about
Freedom.

ok

1. Fine if thats what they want (the people).

2. Doesn't affect my freedom one bit, thank you very much. Nor can anyone prove it affects anyone else either.

3. Fine, if you can conclusively prove (again, dead horse, your "party" doesn't seem to have the sack to prove it to the American people...perhaps they are saving it to swerve stuff for the future..say Dean's next run?)

4. No can do...make a lot of money in the media field. Besides, breaking them up would only create a thousand more small shitty ones...er, bloggers...no use in that, at least as long as they remain profitable. No money in blogging..

5. Proof...justice requires proof in order to be served. Work on some.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Big Train
ok

1. Fine if thats what they want (the people).

2. Doesn't affect my freedom one bit, thank you very much. Nor can anyone prove it affects anyone else either.

3. Fine, if you can conclusively prove fraud (again, dead horse, your "party" doesn't seem to have the sack to prove it to the American people...perhaps they are saving it to swerve stuff for the future..say Dean's next run?)

4. No can do...make a lot of money in the media field. Besides, breaking them up would only create a thousand more small shitty ones...er, bloggers...no use in that, at least as long as they remain profitable. No money in blogging..

5. Proof...justice requires proof in order to be served. Work on some.

[DLR'sCock]

As a resident of the greater NYC area, a former resident of NYC, and someone who has grown up seeing the towers my whole life, I must say that I would love to see them back. At the same time I am on the fence on this one, I do like the new design for the proposed site, but I would love to see them back stronger than ever....



I don't know....

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Your right Ford. Do you think President ordered the Airlines to fly the planes into The Pentagon and WTC buildings so he could go to war. This would give the country a reason to stand behind his "War on Terror".

You Dumb Fuck!!!


Actually, he believes just that. Really... he does. No shit. I'm not kidding.

:gulp:

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Actually, he believes just that. Really... he does. No shit. I'm not kidding.

:gulp:

Just goes to show he would finish last in an IQ test while he competed in the special olympics.

[Figs]

I agree with the sentiment about rebuilding them, but I do wonder about filling them. Companies wouldn't want the terrorist risk or the good ol' NYC expense. Many companies are happy with their much less expensive offices outside of the city.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Figs
I agree with the sentiment about rebuilding them, but I do wonder about filling them. Companies wouldn't want the terrorist risk or the good ol' NYC expense. Many companies are happy with their much less expensive offices outside of the city.

I like a small memorial along with a casino, museum, and entertainment complex myself.

Bring the tourists and fuck the terrorists.

[Figs]

Hahaha! A memorial & casino! That'll go over BIG!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Figs
Hahaha! A memorial & casino! That'll go over BIG!

Yeah, that is a bit of a problem.:D

[DrMaddVibe]

Let Don put his money where his mouth is.

I'm not a fan of the current plan. Rebuilding them with 1 extra floor would be an awesome "bird" to those that thought they could stifle the American Spirit.

That being said...Don has had more bankruptcies and still is looked upon as someone that has viable property management ideas.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I like a small memorial along with a casino, museum, and entertainment complex myself.

Bring the tourists and fuck the terrorists.

That's IT!! It just hit me. It should be rebuilt as it was, but not as an office complex. It should be STUFFED, bottom to top with stuff that will drive them crazy. Ultimate Americana stuff. You know, a casino, a steakhouse, a diner, an amusement park, a strip club or four...build the Mall of America VERTICALLY. Show them all the freedoms we enjoy, one floor at a time, PLUS one on top....me like...

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by Big Train
That's IT!! It just hit me. It should be rebuilt as it was, but not as an office complex. It should be STUFFED, bottom to top with stuff that will drive them crazy. Ultimate Americana stuff. You know, a casino, a steakhouse, a diner, an amusement park, a strip club or four...build the Mall of America VERTICALLY. Show them all the freedoms we enjoy, one floor at a time, PLUS one on top....me like...

Great Idea, I like it. Call it The 911 Freedom Mall.

[Nickdfresh]

Now you're talkin'!

Except we found out that "Islamic Fundimentalist" suicide-hijackers are hypo'wits that enjoy "strip clubs" and alcohol. So they'd have to destroy our pop-culture that they hate so much next time.

The Strip club would be a little tackey, hell the whole Idea is. But I can't see businesses moving back into a complex there as office space.

And of course there should be a small, non-denominational shrine as the memorial. A lot of Jews & Muslims were inside those bldg's as well...

[DrMaddVibe]

Pssst...Nick didn't you get the "memo"?

Jews were tipped off not to go to work that day.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Pssst...Nick didn't you get the "memo"?

Jews were tipped off not to go to work that day. ;)

There is some bizzarre shit that comes out of that day!

But I have heard some plausible conspiracy rants, ones this government, and those in the past should answer for. But people ignore the mudane and ponder the fantastical bullshit.

I'm starting a new thread on this actually...

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Now you're talkin'!

Except we found out that "Islamic Fundimentalist" suicide-hijackers are hypo'wits that enjoy "strip clubs" and alcohol. So they'd have to destroy our pop-culture that they hate so much next time.

The Strip club would be a little tackey, hell the whole Idea is. But I can't see businesses moving back into a complex there as office space.



Tackey? Ok, fine , we will make it classy and call it "burlesque". Perhaps if it is all the things they secretly enjoy, maybe they will take it easy with this building next time...

The idea isn't tackey to me. It actually is very symbolic. Perhaps a strip club is, if we want to be hypocritical about what freedom is, but I could understand that. I just think the use of the building should be a testament to all the things that freedom entails and provides us.

If a strip club doesn't float your boat, how about a liberal newspaper (I walk away from all jokes at the moment), or several with opposing points of view, a few churches of various denominations, a DMV,....your basic garden variety bill of rights type businesses...

[FORD]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Your right Ford. Do you think President ordered the Airlines to fly the planes into The Pentagon and WTC buildings so he could go to war. This would give the country a reason to stand behind his "War on Terror".

You Dumb Fuck!!!

"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

You know who signed the PNAC document containing those words?


Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
I. Lewis Libby
Richard Perle
Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz

Any of those names ring a bell, dumbass?

They needed a "new Pearl Harbor" - IN THEIR OWN GODDAMNED WORDS - in order to unleash their plan for global fascism onto this planet.

They got exactly that.

If you think it's a mere coincidence, then how fucking stupid and gullible are you?

Even if you believe the "offiicial story", which has more holes in it than the WTC did at 9:06 AM that morning, Osama Bin Laden is a KNOWN 30 year associate and employee of the Bush Criminal Empire.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION that BCE/PNAC allowed this to happen in order to promote their agenda. The only question is to what level they were actively involved in it.