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BigBadBrian
05-20-2005, 09:58 AM
Why Islam is disrespected
Jeff Jacoby


May 20, 2005

It was front-page news this week when Newsweek retracted a report claiming that a US interrogator in Guantanamo had flushed a copy of the Koran down a toilet. Everywhere it was noted that Newsweek's story had sparked widespread Muslim rioting, in which at least 17 people were killed. But there was no mention of deadly protests triggered in recent years by comparable acts of desecration against other religions.

No one recalled, for example, that American Catholics lashed out in violent rampages in 1989, after photographer Andres Serrano's ''Piss Christ" -- a photograph of a crucifix submerged in urine -- was included in an exhibition subsidized by the National Endowment for the Arts. Or that they rioted in 1992 when singer Sinead O'Connor, appearing on ''Saturday Night Live," ripped up a photograph of Pope John Paul II.

There was no reminder that Jewish communities erupted in lethal violence in 2000, after Arabs demolished Joseph's Tomb, torching the ancient shrine and murdering a young rabbi who tried to save a Torah from the flames. And nobody noted that Buddhists went on a killing spree in 2001 in response to the destruction of two priceless, 1,500-year-old statues of Buddha by the Taliban government in Afghanistan.

Of course, there was a good reason all these bloody protests went unremembered in the coverage of the Newsweek affair: They never occurred.

Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted. They don't call for holy war and riot in the streets. It would be unthinkable today for a mainstream priest, rabbi, or lama to demand that a blasphemer be slain. But when Reuters reported what Mohammad Hanif, the imam of a Muslim seminary in Pakistan, said about the alleged Koran-flushers -- ''They should be hung. They should be killed in public so that no one can dare to insult Islam and its sacred symbols" -- was any reader surprised?

The Muslim riots should have been met by an international upwelling of outrage and condemnation. From every part of the civilized world should have come denunciations of those who would react to the supposed destruction of a book with brutal threats and the slaughter of 17 innocent people. But the chorus of condemnation was directed not at the killers and the fanatics who incited them, but at Newsweek.

From the White House down, the magazine was slammed -- for running an item it should have known might prove incendiary, for relying on a shaky source, for its animus toward the military and the war. Over and over, Newsweek was blamed for the riots' death toll. Conservative pundits in particular piled on. ''Newsweek lied, people died" was the headline on Michelle Malkin's popular website. At NationalReview.com, Paul Marshall of Freedom House fumed: ''What planet do these [Newsweek] people live on? . . . Anybody with a little knowledge could have told them it was likely that people would die as a result of the article." All of Marshall's choler was reserved for Newsweek; he had no criticism at all -- not a word -- for the marauders in the Muslim street.

Then there was Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who announced at a Senate hearing that she had a message for ''Muslims in America and throughout the world." And what was that message? That decent people do not resort to murder just because someone has offended their religious sensibilities? That the primitive bloodlust raging in Afghanistan and Pakistan was evidence of the Muslim world's dysfunctional political culture? That the Bush administration would redouble its efforts to defeat the Islamofascist radicals who use religion as an excuse to foment violence and terror?

No: Her message was that ''disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States. We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions."

Granted, Rice spoke while the rioting was still taking place and her goal was to reduce the anti-American fever. But what ''Muslims in America and throughout the world" most need to hear is not pandering sweet-talk. What they need is a blunt reminder that the real desecration of Islam is not what some interrogator in Guantanamo might have done to the Koran. It is what totalitarian Muslim zealots have been doing to innocent human beings in the name of Islam. It is 9/11 and Beslan and Bali and Daniel Pearl and the USS Cole. It is trains in Madrid and schoolbuses in Israel and an ''insurgency" in Iraq that slaughters Muslims as they pray and vote and line up for work. It is Hamas and Al Qaeda and sermons filled with infidel-hatred and exhortations to ''martyrdom."

But what disgraces Islam above all is the vast majority of the planet's Muslims saying nothing and doing nothing about the jihadist cancer eating away at their religion. It is Free Muslims Against Terrorism, a pro-democracy organization, calling on Muslims and Middle Easterners to ''converge on our nation's capital for a rally against terrorism" this month -- and having only 50 people show up.

Yes, Islam is disrespected. That will only change when throngs of passionate Muslims show up for rallies against terrorism, and when rabble-rousers trying to gin up a riot over a defiled Koran can't get the time of day.

LoungeMachine
05-20-2005, 10:03 AM
My question is this.....

We'll lead naked prisoners around on dog leashes

We'll have females spread fake menstral blood on their faces

We'll tie electrodes and hoods to them

We'll have prisoners posed in homosexual postitions

But we draw the line at flushing a book? THAT's the outrage?

Bullshit.

BigBadBrian
05-20-2005, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
My question is this.....

We'll lead naked prisoners around on dog leashes

We'll have females spread fake menstral blood on their faces

We'll tie electrodes and hoods to them

We'll have prisoners posed in homosexual postitions

But we draw the line at flushing a book? THAT's the outrage?

Bullshit.

What happened in that prison may be valid reasons of why Muslims have a certain hatred toward our presence in Iraq, but it doesn't address why Americans disresprect the Islamic faith now does it?

That was the point of the article.

Nice try. ;)

FORD
05-20-2005, 11:25 AM
Why SOME "Americans" disrespect the Muslim faith has more to do with the sick fascist perversion of "Christianity", and the absolutely NON-Christian doctrine of superiority that it preaches.

Superior to "sinners", especially them queers. Superior to other races - still big in some parts of the country. And yes, superior to other religions. Hell, some of these domionist-fascist "churches" even believe other Christian denominations are "false religions"! Pat Robertson himself once referred to mainline Protestant churches who didn't embrace "Christian Coalition" doctrine as "the spirit of Antichrist".

These people are fascists, they are bigots, they are insane, and they are destroying this country. And all REAL Christians need to take a stand against them NOW.

ELVIS
05-20-2005, 12:53 PM
What do you think about gay christians ??

FORD
05-20-2005, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
What do you think about gay christians ??

I'm all in favor of it, and so should you be. Because IF homosexuality is a sin from which they need to be "delivered", then what better place for them to be than a church, right? ;)

Seriously, I've known a number of gay people from a variety of religious backgrounds. One of them was the stereotypically guilty Catholic kid who refused to come out even though it was painfully obvious to everyone who knew him (the guy loved shopping and listened to show tunes openly, for fucks sake!) Eventually, he got over it and is now happy, doing well, still gay and as far as I know, still a practicing Catholic.

Another grew up in an evangelical household and ended up as an atheist because he was convinced God hated him. Why? Because he had been told his entire life that homosexuals were evil, vile, scum. Hell of a thing for one's self-esteem.

I get the fact that many people don't understand homosexuality and don't agree with it, but that's not the issue when it comes to how you treat fellow human beings. When Jesus said "As you have done unto the least of these you have done unto Me" he didn't add "except for those damned faggots".

So I see absolutely nothing negative about gays going to church.

BigBadBrian
05-20-2005, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by FORD
And all REAL Christians need to take a stand against them NOW.

All REAL Christians, huh? You mean the ones that believe the way you do? ;)

FORD
05-20-2005, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
All REAL Christians, huh? You mean the ones that believe the way you do? ;)

If you believe in the Jesus Christ of the Gospels, then you cannot support dominionist fascism.

Figs
05-20-2005, 05:07 PM
Generally speaking, I think Christians and Jews have a lot less fundamentalists in their ranks (percentage wise) than the Muslims. Not that Islam should be disrespected.

And I apologize for offending any Muslim neighbors...

BigBadBrian
05-20-2005, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by FORD
If you believe in the Jesus Christ of the Gospels, then you cannot support dominionist fascism.

Ridiculous.

BigBadBrian
05-20-2005, 05:45 PM
Fuck!!!

BigBadBrian
05-20-2005, 05:46 PM
Geez, you read one freaking article about Dominionists and now you got it stuck on your brain thats the way all Christians think. Talk about intolerance on your part. :rolleyes:

steve
05-20-2005, 05:52 PM
MacGyver is gay.

LoungeMachine
05-20-2005, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
What do you think about gay christians ??

I think you're alright:cool:

Come on out of the closet already

FORD
05-20-2005, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Geez, you read one freaking article about Dominionists and now you got it stuck on your brain thats the way all Christians think. Talk about intolerance on your part. :rolleyes:

I didn't say all Christians think like that. As a matter of fact, I specifically said that NO Christians do. Because you cannot be a Christian AND a Dominionist-Fascist. The two are mutually exclusive.

Unfortunately there ARE some in the right wing, red state churches who though, not DF's themselves, allow themselves to be manipulated by DF propaganda. Usually these are the folks whose only knowledge of the Bible are the few verses they hear quoted in the weekly sermon, which means they are also interpreted through the eyes of their pastor. And as we saw recently in Waynesville, North Carolina, that can be a dangerous thing. There are probably people who attended that bastard's church who sincerely attempt to live according to Christ's teachings, but they have been depending on that hateful man to interpret God's word. That's truly sad, but probably not uncommon.