VH3 Tiur

[Wonder Twins]

I just got a cd of The Mighty VH playing a show on the VH3 Tour. I actually saw the show at madison Square Garden back in may 98. Gary was a terrible choice but I have deducted something from it all. Itt was so good to hear the classics like "Romeo Delight, Dance the Night Away, I'm The one etc... Imagine if this CVH reuinion ever happens I will be creaming my draws for weeks. I mean come on the classic stuff is so kick ass, it make cherone look decent. YUKKKKKKK.

[zeronumber]

Yeah, a CVH reunion would kick ass...

Though, I didn't want to read about you creaming bro...

[mattiew23m]

yea, i wouldn't go as far to say i would cream my pants.. Unless i knew i was going to the show to see the mighty vh live, and gettin a nice blone with a nice ass and big tits afterwards... hahahhahahahaha then that would totally make my night!

[mattiew23m]

ooops i'm engaged.. lol


roth on!

[Loons The Great]

Van Halen III Tour? You talkin' 'bout the Women And Chilluns World Tour 1980? Wellah wellah wellahhh...yez yeah...

[zeronumber]

Yeah, I still think it's kind of bullshit to call a none Roth Cd VH3...

Eddy just loves to keep shoving this shit down Dave's throught.

Even though I am a Van Hagar fan, I was pretty upset with VH3, and Best of both worlds, having live tracks of sammy singing Dave's vh tunes...

It just felt so...sacralidge...

Like pat boone covering judas priest. *shudders*

[bedrockboy]

Originally posted by zeronumber
Yeah, I still think it's kind of bullshit to call a none Roth Cd VH3...

Eddy just loves to keep shoving this shit down Dave's throught.

Even though I am a Van Hagar fan, I was pretty upset with VH3, and Best of both worlds, having live tracks of sammy singing Dave's vh tunes...

It just felt so...sacralidge...

Like pat boone covering judas priest. *shudders*

you know what pissed me off about the Best of Both Worlds CD and the tour that followed was the way Gary was basically thrown under the bus by the band and its fans.

I know this is a Dave sight and that Gary ain't gonna get much love here but you know what, Gary showed classic Van Halen alot of respect (unlike Sammy). He toured in a no-win situation (dave fans wanted dave back, sammy fans were pissed he was gone) but he still gave a real pro performance (he actually sang and not signed autographs and sold tequilla). When I saw Halen with Gary in Toronto it was the best concert I've ever seen (and I've seen Dave solo & Sammy-halen many times). He played as many classic songs as he could get his hands on and tried to give the fans the next best thing to Dave, that being someone who sang his ass off and sang the songs that people wanted to hear. It just pisses me off the way that Sammy-era fans show no respect for Gary, but then can't understand why Dave fans don't give Sammy the time of day. I don't get it.

[zeronumber]

I don't respect him because VH 3 sounded like and Extreme albulm...Plus the dude LEFT the band and screwed vh, for what? To make a lame ass christian band called tribe of judah...

Dave and sammy at least kick some ass both in and out of van halen.

The only good VH3 song was "Without you", but that's mostly thanks to van halen.

[RuzDNailz]

Originally posted by zeronumber
I don't respect him because VH 3 sounded like and Extreme albulm...Plus the dude LEFT the band and screwed vh, for what?

Dude, Gary was FIRED from VH. Eddie was not impressed with the album sales and some concert turn-outs so he let him go. Then, he re-hires Sam maybe 5 years later hoping to gain some momentum, but that blows up in his face. I even talk to strangers with VH shirts on the street and they agree that Roth should join again and do a reunion with them once more before officially throwing in the towel. Everybody else I talk to say that the whole VH soap operas are tiresome so that's why they didn't even bother going to last years Van Hagar reunion.

No matter how you slice it, one more tour with Dave and that's it! Throw in the towel and retire. Bottom line.

Water down the hatch!

[bedrockboy]

Originally posted by zeronumber
I don't respect him because VH 3 sounded like and Extreme albulm...Plus the dude LEFT the band and screwed vh, for what? To make a lame ass christian band called tribe of judah...

Dave and sammy at least kick some ass both in and out of van halen.

The only good VH3 song was "Without you", but that's mostly thanks to van halen.

What a load of shit that is. VH3 sounded nothing like Extreme. And when did Sammy start kicking ass out of Van Halen? How many copies did his last cd sell? 2 or 3 dozen? Gary, for all the hammering he takes, had a number 1 song without Eddie writing it. He had multi platinum albums without Eddie writing them. Sammy can make no such claim. This guy has been living off his time in Halen for so long. He should be blowing the mechanic who hooked him up with Eddie everyday.

As for "The only good VH3 song was "Without you", but that's mostly thanks to van halen". What the fuck does that mean? He co-wrote all the songs, if he's gonna be blamed for the bad songs? Shouldn't he get the credit for the ones you like?

As for him screwing Van Halen by leaving? Are you fucked? This guy had to tolerate stupid fucks like you criiticizing him for not being Dave/Sammy for his whole time in the band. And when he leaves/fired you criticize him even more. This guy can't win, can he? As for the Christian band thing? I guess it's better to become a fucking alcohol promoter than being a christian artist. What colour is the sky in your world?

[zeronumber]

Originally posted by bedrockboy
What a load of shit that is. VH3 sounded nothing like Extreme. And when did Sammy start kicking ass out of Van Halen? How many copies did his last cd sell? 2 or 3 dozen? Gary, for all the hammering he takes, had a number 1 song without Eddie writing it. He had multi platinum albums without Eddie writing them. Sammy can make no such claim. This guy has been living off his time in Halen for so long. He should be blowing the mechanic who hooked him up with Eddie everyday.

Fired nothing, get your facts strait, he left the band.

"But Cherone left the band to form Tribe Of Judah."

Link: http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/cherone_gary/bio.jhtml

Sammy aside from the Vh BOBW cd, had a new live dvd, A new cd,
What has Tribe of Judah done? That's right...nothing.

And look at VH with Cherone...Both Dave and Sammy can say they never had a VH albulm that didn't go platnuim, at least once..

VH 3 peaked at gold, and never went anywhere afterwards.

Sammy, in Montrose and solo, was about drinking, girls, love, and driving, overall having a good time. You can see why he would make a good replacement, but Gary?
What is Gary Best known for? Aucustic guitars, and songs like "more than words"?

As for "The only good VH3 song was "Without you", but that's mostly thanks to van halen". What the fuck does that mean? He co-wrote all the songs, if he's gonna be blamed for the bad songs? Shouldn't he get the credit for the ones you like?

I say it was thanks to van halen, because it it wasn't for The bands always awesome playing, that song would have truely sucked ass...though, unfortunately, most of the albulm couldn't be helped from Cherone's absolute garbage.

As for him screwing Van Halen by leaving? Are you fucked? This guy had to tolerate stupid fucks like you criiticizing him for not being Dave/Sammy for his whole time in the band. And when he leaves/fired you criticize him even more. This guy can't win, can he? As for the Christian band thing? I guess it's better to become a fucking alcohol promoter than being a christian artist. What colour is the sky in your world?

Because Vh was at least touring, at least writing songs...and out of the blue, this unbeleivebly gay fag, decides...I don't want to be in VH anymore, I want to write about good and cash in on the Creed/POD era....Which by the way, He didn't.

By leaving, he forced van halen to suck up their pride and talk to the only 2 guys who can help them out...they realized...damn...we need to bring back either dave or sam.

Which is exactly what happened 2 years later, they talk to dave, and they got into another fight. 2 years after that, they talk to sammy, and go on tour again.

[bedrockboy]

Originally posted by zeronumber
Fired nothing, get your facts strait, he left the band.

"But Cherone left the band to form Tribe Of Judah."

Link: http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/cherone_gary/bio.jhtml

Sammy aside from the Vh BOBW cd, had a new live dvd, A new cd,
What has Tribe of Judah done? That's right...nothing.

Tribe of Judah released a Cd and Gary has a new one coming out soon. I didn't know this was an argument over work ethic, but if it is Gary would win that one hands down. He is a songwriter, Sammy is a bar owner/tequilla salesman/songwriter.

I've heard of revisionist history before but this is crazy. At best, Gary was being forced out and thought it was best for the band that he left. Do you honestly think that WB wanted Gary there after VH3 bombed? If he left, he did it right before he was to be pushed out.

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Because Vh was at least touring, at least writing songs...and out of the blue, this unbeleivebly gay fag, decides...I don't want to be in VH anymore, I want to write about good and cash in on the Creed/POD era....Which by the way, He didn't.
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I love counterpoints like "this unbelievably gay fag". I take it you're a Harvard man?

As for the cashing in by joining a Christian band. Well, your argument doesn't hold water once again when you take into consideration that Gary's lyrics were religious/political long before Creed & POD stepped on the scene.

What do you think Hole Hearted was about (Pornograffitti 1990 - long before Creed i'd say)? Did you think "Money (In God We Trust) (Pornografitti) has no religious overtones to it? The song God isn't Dead (3 sides to every story) may have been relgious - what do you think?. The song There is no God (Waiting For The Punchline Cd) maybe had religion in mind? u think? Combine that with the fact that his open letter to Eddie Vedder (pro-life article) was written while he was in Van Halen. If you want to criticize his singing, or his place in Halen, fine. But fuck, before you claim that a guy is trying to cash in on his religion you may want to do just a little research.

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I say it was thanks to van halen, because it it wasn't for The bands always awesome playing, that song would have truely sucked ass...though, unfortunately, most of the albulm couldn't be helped from Cherone's absolute garbage.
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So the guys in Halen were only good enough to cover up Gary's garbage for one track? Interesting.

Another interesting thing is that Gary only writes lyrics, Ed wrote all the music. So I guess if the album was released as all instrumentals it would have gone platinum I guess?

Originally posted by zeronumber
Sammy, in Montrose and solo, was about drinking, girls, love, and driving, overall having a good time. You can see why he would make a good replacement, but Gary?
What is Gary Best known for? Aucustic guitars, and songs like "more than words"?
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Before Sammy joined Halen most people wouldn't have known him if they ran over him. Do me a favour, ask a perfect stranger to name a Montrose song? I can assure you that the answer you'll most often get is, "WHO?".

Was Gary best known for an acoustic song? Yes, but fuck at least he was known for something.


Man, I like a good argument, but if you're gonna write stuff, can you make sure that it has some basis in reality? What's next are you going to tell me that the 2004 tour was a great commercial success and the 3 new tracks they recorded were classics?

[Wonder Twins]

Awesome Point Bedrockboy. If you open up the BOBW CD you would not even know that Gary was ever in thsi band. Does it say more about Gary or VH in general? To not even mention says that they realize they recorded an absolute Piece of shit CD. The only thing that made 1998 somewhat cool was the live show with the Classics Kicking ass. I was also not aware that gary's lyrics imspired Eddie to write shit. Come on Give Gary a break. I respect Gary for stepping in and having to deal with a no win situation.

[Terry]

Originally posted by bedrockboy
you know what pissed me off about the Best of Both Worlds CD and the tour that followed was the way Gary was basically thrown under the bus by the band and its fans.

I know this is a Dave sight and that Gary ain't gonna get much love here but you know what, Gary showed classic Van Halen alot of respect (unlike Sammy). He toured in a no-win situation (dave fans wanted dave back, sammy fans were pissed he was gone) but he still gave a real pro performance (he actually sang and not signed autographs and sold tequilla). When I saw Halen with Gary in Toronto it was the best concert I've ever seen (and I've seen Dave solo & Sammy-halen many times). He played as many classic songs as he could get his hands on and tried to give the fans the next best thing to Dave, that being someone who sang his ass off and sang the songs that people wanted to hear. It just pisses me off the way that Sammy-era fans show no respect for Gary, but then can't understand why Dave fans don't give Sammy the time of day. I don't get it.

If Gary really was such a classic Van Halen fan, he would have realized that Dave should have been up there singing those tunes, not him. Sure, Gary WAS in a no-win situation from the start, but even that doesn't mean he gets my respect for trying. Did Van Halen and Gary really think they were gonna smooth over the failed 1996 CVH reunion by putting out an album as weak as Van Halen 3 and then dragging out a bunch of CVH tunes to be sung by someone OTHER than Roth? Like, "It SUCKED that Roth and Van Halen didn't get back together, bit it's all good because now we got the guy from Extreme singing Unchained!"

[zeronumber]

Originally posted by bedrockboy
Tribe of Judah released a Cd and Gary has a new one coming out soon. I didn't know this was an argument over work ethic, but if it is Gary would win that one hands down. He is a songwriter, Sammy is a bar owner/tequilla salesman/songwriter.

Yeah, Sammy who does more, some how has less work ethic? Wtf?
How does that make any kind of sence?

Besides, look at trend here, Gary can't stay in a band...any band he joins or forms. He left extreme, he left that jazz band he made after extreme, He left van halen, and now he left tribe of judah.

The guy empashsis the word, "Quiter"

I've heard of revisionist history before but this is crazy. At best, Gary was being forced out and thought it was best for the band that he left. Do you honestly think that WB wanted Gary there after VH3 bombed? If he left, he did it right before he was to be pushed out.

Oh, so your insight is suppose to override validated fact? I give you a link to a credible source, and you call it a "revisionist history", yet you think in your own mind the true reason why he left...please.

Gary left, because he's a quiter, He somehow thinks by forming new bands, he'll somehow suck less...

Besides, Gary was in VH for 3 years...poor record sales had little to nothing to do with Gary supposedly (by your logic anyway) getting pushed out.

I love counterpoints like "this unbelievably gay fag". I take it you're a Harvard man?

Sorry, I've just been hanging around the roth army forums too long...lol..

It's not my fault some members here can't communicate outside the lines of sexual references and explatives...

But you get the point, they guy was an clown. He could have at least tried to make VH 3 worked, but the near thought of making a new alublm, he left.

To us Dave and Sammy fans, that came off as a good think in the end run, but even still, It boggles the mind how a guy who hasn't done anything past 1991, somehow thinks he's good enough to leave one of the best bands of all time out of creative differences, when frankly, he wasn't anything special.

As for the cashing in by joining a Christian band. Well, your argument doesn't hold water once again when you take into consideration that Gary's lyrics were religious/political long before Creed & POD stepped on the scene.

What do you think Hole Hearted was about (Pornograffitti 1990 - long before Creed i'd say)? Did you think "Money (In God We Trust) (Pornografitti) has no religious overtones to it? The song God isn't Dead (3 sides to every story) may have been relgious - what do you think?. The song There is no God (Waiting For The Punchline Cd) maybe had religion in mind? u think? Combine that with the fact that his open letter to Eddie Vedder (pro-life article) was written while he was in Van Halen. If you want to criticize his singing, or his place in Halen, fine. But fuck, before you claim that a guy is trying to cash in on his religion you may want to do just a little research.

Fair enough, but if anything, that solidifies my point, what does a political or religious ageneda ever fit into that of van halen?

Van halen was about having a good time, girls, cars, in and out of love...

Why then would you higher somebody who is religious?

Anyway, I don't want to criticize his singing, because he could sing very well. But his song writing sucks. Dave and Sam at least know how to right a somewhat cathy song. If there was one thing we should all get out of VH 3, is that it's never a smart Idea for either Gary, or Eddy to right songs.

So the guys in Halen were only good enough to cover up Gary's garbage for one track? Interesting.

Well, 2 tracks, those being "Without You", and "Ballot or the Bullet", because frankly, those are the only two songs with some amount of energy to them. And these songs rub off as "meh" quality material.

Hell, if you examine Dave or Sam's worst cds(which mind you doesn't mean they're bad, just not some of their best albulms), such as Women and children first, and 0u182, even their filler songs stand up to a better amount of quality then say what could be seen as two singles off of VH3.

Another interesting thing is that Gary only writes lyrics, Ed wrote all the music. So I guess if the album was released as all instrumentals it would have gone platinum I guess?

I argue yes, mostly because Eddy/Alex/and Mike can make great instrumental tracks, and show off their great musicanship.

Where as with Gary(and some cases with Sam), VH had to bring it down a lot of notches to to fit songs.

Before Sammy joined Halen most people wouldn't have known him if they ran over him. Do me a favour, ask a perfect stranger to name a Montrose song? I can assure you that the answer you'll most often get is, "WHO?".

Even still, most people will at least know who Sammy Hagar is, regardless if you mention Montrose, or Van Halen.

Was Gary best known for an acoustic song? Yes, but fuck at least he was known for something.

Known for what? Why don't you ask somebody who Gary Cherone is?
Most people don't even know (or care) about Gary Cherone, Extreme, or the fact that he at one point was a memeber of van halen.

Only real, hardcore fans would even know about Cherone being a singer in van halen,

Where as Sammy was known before hand as "The Red Rocker", writing hits such as "There's only one way to rock", and "I can't drive 55", and probably best known for taking dave's place from 1985 - 1996.

The majority of the music community, is under the agreement that between 1996 - 2004, van halen was on hiatus with sammy hagar, let alone doing work with Cherone.

Man, I like a good argument, but if you're gonna write stuff, can you make sure that it has some basis in reality?

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Basis of Reality...let's see, I say that he left the band, and posted a link, yet you suggest he got fired, then latter interject that he wanted to leave because he was about to be kicked out. Exactly where is there any proof of this claim?

I said thinks like "VH3 never sold more than gold, where sam and dave never sold a record in vh that didn't go platinum"

If you want proof of this, go to www.van-halen.com And check for yourself.

You even go on to say that Sammy wasn't known for anythign prior to Van Halen...and act like cherone was...

You make it out like Gary Cherone was a vital asset to Van halen, and he's not flame worthy...

Look, Gary isn't hated by Sam or Dave fans...The Record didn't sell past gold, because Sam and Dave fans decided to not buy it out of protest...

VH3 sucked...because Gary Cherone's song writing sucks. The albulm, was just bad. You can put any spin on the situation....

The fact of the matter is, that if it was a good albulm, with good singles, it would have been successful...but guess what...It didn't!!!

That cd didn't even have 1 hit single. That's a Van halen first(and worst)

What's next are you going to tell me that the 2004 tour was a great commercial success and the 3 new tracks they recorded were classics?

Commerical...perhaps not.
But the tour showed that VH can at least reunite, and make songs/albulms that people will buy. Like I said before, it only works with Dave or Sam.

By the way, out of the 3 new tracks, Each one of them is better than anything on Vh3...

Hell, the track "It's About Time", is hands down, better than every track on VH3, and do you know why?

Because unlike Gary, Sam can write a song, and write music.
Sam could play guitar too, which offers at least a good contribution to VH.

Same goes for Dave, Dave knows how to make a catchy, memorable song, and can take a moderately successful jazz song like "just a gigolo" and make it into a radio hit. Plus, Dave has to have the best Stage presence. Dave originated doing Karate on stage, and is still a great live performer...

What is Gary known for on stage?...seriously, I would like to know.