Math Doesn't Add Up for a Democrat-Run Senate

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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
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    Math Doesn't Add Up for a Democrat-Run Senate

    Math Doesn't Add Up for a Democrat-Run Senate
    The party needs to win seats in Bush territory for any realistic chance to retake the chamber.
    By Ronald Brownstein
    Times Staff Writer

    May 31, 2005

    WASHINGTON — Growing Republican dominance of Senate seats in states where George W. Bush has run best looms as the principal obstacle for Democrats hoping to retake the chamber in 2006 or beyond.

    With the recent struggle over judicial nominations underscoring the stakes, the battle for Senate control could attract unprecedented levels of money and energy next year.

    Democrats are optimistic about their chances of ousting GOP senators in Pennsylvania and Rhode Island, states that voted for Democratic presidential candidates John F. Kerry in 2004 and Al Gore in 2000. But the Democrats are unlikely to regain a Senate majority — in 2006 or soon thereafter — unless they can reverse the GOP consolidation of Senate seats in states that have supported Bush.

    Since 2000, both parties have gained Senate seats in the states they typically carry in presidential campaigns. But this political partitioning provides a clear advantage for Republicans because so many more states backed Bush in his bids for the presidency.

    If Democrats only gain in their part of the map, "it's like saying, 'We're going to win more home games but never worry about road games,' " said Matthew Dowd, a political advisor to the Republican National Committee and senior strategist for Bush's reelection campaign. "They could have a great home record but never win a majority."

    Republicans control 55 Senate seats and Democrats 44, with Vermont independent James M. Jeffords holding the final spot. In next year's midterm election, Republicans will defend 15 seats and Democrats 17. And Vermont voters will choose a successor to Jeffords, who is retiring.

    As the parties approach these contests, the political divide familiar from presidential campaigns figures ever more prominently in their calculations.

    Twenty-nine states voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004. Republicans now hold 44 of the 58 Senate seats in those so-called red states. That's a much higher percentage of in-party Senate seats than Presidents Reagan and Clinton were able to claim in states they carried twice.

    More important, on the strength of those states alone, the GOP is on the brink of a majority in the 100-member Senate.

    Democrats are just as strong in the states that voted for Kerry and Gore. But there are only 18 of those so-called blue states; Democrats hold 28 of those 36 Senate seats.

    Republicans also hold four of the Senate seats in the three states that switched parties from 2000 to 2004 — New Mexico, New Hampshire and Iowa.

    This distribution makes it virtually impossible for Democrats to regain a majority simply by defeating GOP senators from blue states, such as their two top targets for 2006 — Rick Santorum in Pennsylvania and Lincoln Chafee in Rhode Island.

    Whatever happens in those races, the Democrats' ability to win Republican-held Senate seats next year in red states such as Montana, Tennessee and Missouri — and to defend their seats in red states such as Nebraska, Florida and North Dakota — may reveal more about their long-term prospects of regaining a Senate majority.

    Democratic pollster Geoff Garin noted that in the last two elections, Democrats have come close to taking the White House, even though they've lost more states than they've won. That's because the high-population states they did win — such as New York and California — have large numbers of electoral college votes. But, regardless of population, each state has two Senate seats, so Democrats must compete on a broader map to realistically contend for a Senate majority.

    "You can cobble together a viable electoral college strategy with a minority of states, but you simply can't cobble together a Senate majority that way," Garin said.

    As recently as the 1980s, it was common for states to split their ballots in presidential and Senate contests.

    But the sharpening partisan edge of modern politics has made it tougher for senators to survive — in effect, behind enemy lines — in states that consistently prefer the other party in presidential campaigns.

    The result has been a decline in the Southern Democrats, who bucked the region's growing preference for GOP presidential candidates, and in the Northeastern Republicans, who overcame their area's Democratic tide in national campaigns.

    Forty-four states supported Ronald Reagan for president in 1980 and 1984. But partly because of lingering Democratic strength in the South, Republicans after 1984 controlled only 48 of the 88 Senate seats in those states, about 55%.

    The trend toward consolidation gained momentum in the 1990s. Bill Clinton won 29 states twice. After his second victory, Democrats held 35 of the 58 Senate seats in those states, or 60%.

    In the elections of 2000, 2002 and 2004, Republicans gained a net of six Senate seats in the red states that Bush carried twice. Democrats added four Senate seats in the blue states that twice voted against Bush; Republicans lost another blue-state Senate seat when Jeffords quit the GOP in 2001.

    Republicans now hold 76% of the red-state Senate seats; Democrats 78% of the blue-state Senate seats.

    This division has reshaped the political landscape most profoundly in the South. Under Bush, the GOP has won the last nine open Southern Senate seats, including five seats vacated by retiring Democrats in 2004. In all, Republicans now control 18 of the 22 Senate seats in the 11 states of the old Confederacy, compared to just 10 of those seats after Reagan's 1984 landslide.

    One of the losing 2004 Southern Democratic Senate candidates, who asked not to be identified while criticizing his party, said today's highly partisan atmosphere had undermined strategies that once let the region's Democrats survive even as GOP presidential candidates carried their states.

    In that era, the former candidate noted, Southern Democrats won by emphasizing independence and willingness to work across party lines. But today, the candidate said, many Southerners seem deeply reluctant to help Democrats regain Senate control and strengthen their hand against Bush.

    "They were very worried about the Democrats having a majority," the candidate said.

    Democratic strategists acknowledge that such partisan attitudes represent a huge problem for them in the Deep South. But they believe that in other red states, Senate races may turn more on local factors.

    Democrats are most optimistic about contesting Republican-held seats in Tennessee, where Rep. Harold E. Ford Jr. is the likely Democratic nominee for the seat being vacated by retiring Majority Leader Bill Frist; in Montana, where Democratic State Auditor John Morrison has begun raising money to challenge Republican Conrad Burns around economic themes; and possibly in Missouri, where Democratic polls have shown some vulnerability for first-term Republican Jim Talent.

    But Democrats also must defend five incumbents seeking reelection in red states, with Florida's Bill Nelson, Nebraska's Ben Nelson and North Dakota's Kent Conrad facing potentially difficult races in states Bush carried handily.

    In all these races, Republicans are likely to portray the Democrats as obstructionists whose election would empower liberals to block Bush's agenda.

    Against such attacks, the Democratic candidates must walk a tightrope, motivating their base with criticism of the GOP agenda while defending themselves against the Republican charges by promising to work across party lines.

    In Montana, for instance, Morrison is opposing Bush's plan to carve out private investment accounts from Social Security, but also presenting himself as a common-sense, bipartisan problem-solver.

    "Most of the worthwhile public policy gets done somewhere in the center," Morrison said.

    In Pennsylvania, the Democratic success in recruiting socially conservative State Treasurer Robert P. Casey Jr., the son of the former governor, to challenge Santorum has made that race the early choice as the marquee Senate contest for 2006.

    But the fate of red-state Democrats like Morrison should offer a better measure of whether the party can topple the Republican majority pressing its advantages so forcefully.


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  • Warham
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Mar 2004
    • 14589

    #2
    Liberals never were very good at math.

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58754

      #3
      Math is irrelevant when Republicans have Diebold.
      Eat Us And Smile

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      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • Warham
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Mar 2004
        • 14589

        #4
        Diebold isn't going to get you 3,000,000 more votes.

        Speaking of election fraud, what's going on in Washington with that Democratic governor who was elected on the backs of folks six feet under?

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        • LoungeMachine
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jul 2004
          • 32555

          #5
          Originally posted by Warham
          Liberals never were very good at math.
          Yet we have higher median incomes, IQs, and educations than the "red states" [even if we let you throw out your high trailer park population]

          Originally posted by Kristy
          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
          Originally posted by cadaverdog
          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58754

            #6
            Originally posted by Warham
            Diebold isn't going to get you 3,000,000 more votes.

            Speaking of election fraud, what's going on in Washington with that Democratic governor who was elected on the backs of folks six feet under?
            See, there's more mediawhore spin. Truth is that out of any felons or dead people who voted, a whole hell of a lot of them voted for Sore Lossi Rossiman.

            Republican officials testify in court that while there were minor problems in the election, there was no fraud. And then the Sore Lossi Rossiman lawyers accuse them of being "biased in favor of the Democrats"!

            Mind you, this is a Republican employee of a Republican Secretary of State, being accused of being a "Democrat" by a neocon lawyer working for a lying piece of shit Bush puppet.

            Fuck it. The State of Washington shouldn't be wasting time or money on mindless things like this which are grossly distorted witch hunts to begin with.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • Guitar Shark
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Jan 2004
              • 7576

              #7
              Originally posted by Warham
              Diebold isn't going to get you 3,000,000 more votes.

              Speaking of election fraud, what's going on in Washington with that Democratic governor who was elected on the backs of folks six feet under?
              LOL @ Diebold. Yeah, that's why the Dems lost.

              As for Washington's election trial, what's happening is that the judge is bending over backwards to give both sides the opportunity to present evidence in support of their case. He wants a complete record for the appellate courts, where this contest is headed next. It's a virtual certainty at this point that the Republicans will lose and Gregoire will stay in office. They just don't have the level of proof that they need to show to prove "fraud." However, they have much more evidence than people like FORD have to support their Diebold fraud claims. It's a shame, really... I honestly believe that there was some underhanded shit going on here.
              ROTH ARMY MILITIA


              Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
              Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58754

                #8
                But you will admit that Dale Foreskin is a fucking sleazeball, right?
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Guitar Shark
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 7576

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  But you will admit that Dale Foreskin is a fucking sleazeball, right?
                  Don't know him. But I litigated a case against an associate in his office who was perhaps the worst lawyer I have ever come across. So, at the least, his hiring skills are lacking
                  ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                  Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                  Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                  • steve
                    Sniper
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 841

                    #10
                    When the citizens of the District of Columbia stand up for themselves and boycot paying Federal taxes in revolt (and gain their proper representation in congress (2 senate seats and 1 house seat)), the tables could turn.

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                    • BigBadBrian
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10620

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                      Yet we have higher median incomes, IQs, and educations than the "red states" [even if we let you throw out your high trailer park population]


                      This type of attitude speaks volumes why "you people" can't win elections.
                      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                      • LoungeMachine
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 32555

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                        This type of attitude speaks volumes why "you people" can't win elections.
                        Right, we don't win elections

                        Even your memory of history is biased
                        Originally posted by Kristy
                        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                        Originally posted by cadaverdog
                        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                        • BigBadBrian
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 10620

                          #13
                          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                          Right, we don't win elections

                          Even your memory of history is biased
                          Of most of the recent "biggies", including the 2002 midterms, the Democrats haven't done diddly. Sorry, but that's pretty much a fact.

                          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                          • academic punk
                            Full Member Status

                            • Dec 2004
                            • 4437

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Warham
                            Liberals never were very good at math.

                            Gee, and when was the last time the country had a balanced budget?

                            And what's the deficit now?

                            If you're going to make inflammatory remarks, try not to display your complete ignorance while doing so, buddy.

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                            • Warham
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 14589

                              #15
                              Clinton managed the budget on the back on the military.

                              No wonder it was in the shitter when Bush took office.

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