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blueturk
06-03-2005, 11:45 PM
Oh well, I'm sure Dubya can explain this one away too. Karl Rove must be working his ass off right now.

Pentagon Details Abuse Of Koran
Detainees' Holy Book Was Kicked, Got Wet

By Josh White and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, June 4, 2005; Page A01

The U.S. military released new details yesterday about five confirmed cases of U.S. personnel mishandling the Koran at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, prison, acknowledging that soldiers and interrogators kicked the holy book, got copies wet, stood on a Koran during an interrogation and inadvertently sprayed urine on another copy.

Brig. Gen. Jay W. Hood, commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo, who completed the three-week inquiry this week into alleged mishandling of the Koran, confirmed five cases of intentional or unintentional mishandling of the holy book, all of which appear to be unrelated, from among 19 alleged incidents since the detention facility opened in January 2002.



Brig. Gen. Jay W. Hood, commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo, said he found no evidence that a Koran was flushed down a toilet at the prison. (By Jonathan Ernst -- Reuters)
In a news release from the U.S. Southern Command late yesterday, Hood expanded on statements he made at a Pentagon news briefing last week, when he characterized the incidents as rare, isolated and largely inadvertent.

Officials said they have issued more than 1,600 Korans at the facility, moved detainees thousands of times and looked through 25,000 documents in their investigation.

"Mishandling a Koran at Guantanamo Bay is a rare occurrence," Hood said in the statement. "Mishandling of a Koran here is never condoned. When one considers the many thousands of times detainees have been moved and cells have been searched since detention operations first began here in January 2002, I think one can only conclude that respect for detainee religious beliefs was embedded in the culture of [the task force] from the start."

Investigators specifically were looking into allegations that U.S. personnel had flushed a Koran down a toilet at Guantanamo Bay. Newsweek reported in early May that such an allegation had been confirmed, setting off riots in Muslim nations, but then retracted the story. Hood's inquiry determined that no such incident took place.

The probe did find, however, that rumors of such an event swirled around the facility in the summer of 2002 after a detainee dropped his Koran on the floor and other detainees blamed the mishandling on U.S. guards. The story, according to a U.S. Southern Command news release, changed as detainees passed it along, escalating to rumors that U.S. troops ripped pages out of the book, and then that they flushed it.

But the investigation's results also are contrary to the recent claims of top Pentagon officials that there were no credible accounts of Koran mishandling. The first case, in February 2002, arose when a detainee complained that guards at Camp X-Ray kicked the Koran of a detainee in a neighboring cell. Though interrogators and guards noted the incident at the time, there was no further investigation.

In another case, in August 2003, two detainees complained to their guards that a number of Korans were wet "because the night shift guards had thrown water balloons on the block." No further details of the incident were provided, but Hood's team found the complaints credible and found "no evidence that the incident, although clearly inappropriate, caused any type of disturbance on the block."

Other confirmed reports included a two-word obscenity being written in the inside cover of a Koran, though investigators were unable to determine who wrote the phrase and concluded it was possible that the complaining detainee -- who was conversant in English -- may have defaced his own book. Another report, in July 2003, detailed an incident in which a contract interrogator stood on a detainee's Koran during an interrogation. The interrogator was fired for a "pattern of unacceptable behavior, an inability to follow direct guidance and poor leadership," according to the news release yesterday.

The most recent, and perhaps most unusual, case of mishandling was documented on March 25, 2005, when a detainee complained to the guards that urine came through an air vent in his cell and "splashed on him and his Koran while he laid near the air vent." According to Hood's investigation, the guard who was responsible reported himself to his superiors and was reassigned to gate duty.

"The guard had left his observation area post and went outside to urinate," according to a summary of the incident. "He urinated near an air vent and the wind blew his urine through the vent into the block. The Sergeant of the Guard responded and immediately relieved the guard. The SOG ensured the detainee received a fresh uniform and a new Koran."

Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the Pentagon's shifting explanations related to Koran mistreatment cast doubt on the latest findings.

"It's clear the Department of Defense has had to backtrack on its previous statements that it was not aware of any such Koran allegations," Romero said. "It raises serious doubts about whether the Pentagon has done a full and thorough investigation."

The ACLU released documents obtained from the government last month showing that at least a dozen inmates complained to FBI agents about mishandling of the Koran; Romero said it is not clear how many of those accusations were investigated by the Hood inquiry.

Tom Wilner, a Washington lawyer who represents 11 Kuwaiti nationals being held at Guantanamo Bay, said the number and persistence of reports of Koran mistreatment from detainees indicates a much broader problem than indicated by the Hood inquiry.

"It's sort of amazing today that we define truth as only when the government confirms something happened," Wilner said. "I think there is no question that, especially in the early days of Guantanamo, there was a persistent pattern of physical abuse and religious discrimination, including desecration of the Koran. . . . But it hasn't been fully looked at."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/03/AR2005060301654.html

FORD
06-04-2005, 01:18 AM
**crickets chirping out in the Busheep pasture....**

Cathedral
06-04-2005, 02:08 AM
LMMFAO, Is this the equivalent of a "neener-neener-neener" reaction, Ford?
Ya know, i'm not going to make excuses for any of this because i'm in a political transition to something i haven't quite figured out yet.

There are bad people in this world, unfortunately a few of them happen to be in positions of power they use in a cavalier fashion.

As an interesting thought just occured to me, i'd like to know the political affiliation of everyone who is suspected of any abuse, rumored or otherwise.
It would be interesting just to know that bit of info; to me anyway.

And i know exactly what that statement is making everyone think on both sides of the isle, lol.
But i assure you, it was just a thought that could provide some needed insight on how to avoid it from happening again.

Also, I think that a Commanding Officer should be ultimately responsible for what goes on from him down the chain of command, and above him should any evidence at all even be hinted at.

Ahhhh, but there i go thinking we could do anything to make this world just a tad bit more perfect.

Justice, if bent by anyone is not justice at all.............Peace!

Mishar_McLeud
06-04-2005, 05:50 AM
The thing is, there are stupid people under any government's leader, doesn't matter if he's Republican or Democrat. Abusing a BOOK is just plain dumb

BigBadBrian
06-04-2005, 08:03 AM
Here's a report that's not so obviously negative and a little more balanced.

U.S. Confirms Gitmo Soldier Kicked Quran


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Jun 4, 1:57 AM (ET)

By ROBERT BURNS

(AP) The hand of honorary Sheik Amjad Abu Sadio, 13, is seen on the Quran as he reads prior to...


WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. military officials say no guard at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects flushed a detainee's Quran down the toilet, but they disclosed that a Muslim holy book was splashed with urine. In other newly disclosed incidents, a detainee's Quran was deliberately kicked and another's was stepped on.

On March 25, a detainee complained to guards that "urine came through an air vent" and splashed on him and his Quran. A guard admitted he was at fault, but a report released Friday evening offering new details about Quran mishandling incidents did not make clear whether the guard intended the result.

In another confirmed incident, water balloons thrown by prison guards caused an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet, and in a confirmed but ambiguous case, a two-word obscenity was written in English on the inside cover of a Quran.

The findings, released after normal business hours Friday evening and after the major TV networks had aired their evening news programs, are among the results of an investigation last month by Brig. Gen. Jay Hood, the commander of the detention center in Cuba. A Newsweek magazine report - later retracted - that a U.S. soldier had flushed one Guantanamo Bay detainee's Quran down a toilet triggered the investigation.

The story stirred worldwide controversy, and the Bush administration blamed it for deadly demonstrations in Afghanistan.

Hood said in a written statement released with the new details that his investigation "revealed a consistent, documented policy of respectful handling of the Quran dating back almost 2 1/2 years."

Lawrence Di Rita, chief spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, did not address the confirmed incidents of mishandling the Muslim holy book. Reached while traveling with Rumsfeld in Asia, he said U.S. Southern Command policy calls for "serious, respectful and appropriate" handling of the Quran.

"The Hood inquiry would appear to affirm that policy," Di Rita said.

Hood said that of nine mishandling cases that were studied in detail by reviewing thousands of pages of written records, five were confirmed. He could not determine conclusively whether the other four took place.

In one of the unconfirmed cases, a detainee in April 2003 complained to FBI and other interrogators that guards "constantly defile the Quran." The detainee alleged that in one instance a female military guard threw a Quran into a bag of wet towels to anger another detainee, and he also alleged that another guard said the Quran belonged in the toilet and that guards were ordered to do these things.

Hood said he found no other record of this detainee mentioning any Quran mishandling. The detainee has since been released.

In the March incident, as described in the report, the guard had left his observation post to go outside to urinate. The wind blew his urine through an air vent into the cell block. The guard's supervisor reprimanded him and assigned him to gate guard duty, where he had no contact with detainees, for the rest of his assignment at Guantanamo Bay.

In another of the confirmed cases, a contract interrogator stepped on a detainee's Quran in July 2003 and then apologized. "The interrogator was later terminated for a pattern of unacceptable behavior, an inability to follow direct guidance and poor leadership," the Hood report said.

Hood also said his investigation found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Qurans. "These included using a Quran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Quran, attempting to flush a Quran down the toilet and urinating on the Quran," Hood's report said. It offered no possible explanation for the detainees' motives.

In the most recent of those 15 cases, a detainee on Feb. 18 allegedly ripped up his Quran and handed it to a guard, stating that he had given up on being a Muslim. Several guards witnessed this, Hood reported.

Last week, Hood disclosed he had confirmed five cases of mishandling of the Quran, but he refused to provide details. Allegations of Quran desecration at Guantanamo Bay have led to anti-American passions in many Muslim nations, although Pentagon officials have insisted that the problems were relatively minor and that U.S. commanders have gone to great lengths to enable detainees to practice their religion in captivity.

Hood said last week he found no credible evidence that a Quran was ever flushed down a toilet. He said a prisoner who was reported to have complained to an FBI agent in 2002 that a military guard threw a Quran in the toilet has since told Hood's investigators that he never witnessed any form of Quran desecration.

Other prisoners who were returned to their home countries after serving time at Guantanamo Bay as terror suspects have alleged Quran desecration by U.S. guards, and some have said a Quran was placed in a toilet.

There are about 540 detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Some have been there more than three years without being charged with a crime. Most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to Guantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al-Qaida terrorist network.

Link (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050604/D8AGK5JO0.html)

DrMaddVibe
06-04-2005, 10:13 AM
Wow, that's real abuse!

For a minute they might've made a dickhead eat one dry!

No run, no hit, no error...play ball!