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  • steve
    Sniper
    • Feb 2004
    • 841

    John Kerry is For Gay Marriage

    My prediction is that "1049" will, within a week, become the new buzzword. Anyway, Everything I have read on Kerry suggests he is for gay "marriage" - marriage being the legal rights of the union of two individuals. The only problem is, he's had to be really careful with how he words his opinions because folks are bigoted in this country but a slight majority right now.

    Thoughts?



    Kerry signals pro-gay marriage rights view
    Thu Mar 4, 9:26 PM ET Add Community - Planet Out to My Yahoo!


    Patrick Letellier, Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network

    SUMMARY: Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) said that if elected president he would support granting same-sex couples all the federal rights of marriage, according to a California Democratic politician.



    Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry said that if elected president he would support granting same-sex couples all the federal rights offered to married heterosexuals, according to a California Democratic politician who last week questioned Kerry at a San Francisco fund-raiser.


    "He told me that he would grant all 1,049 federal rights to same-sex couples in whatever legal union their states recognize," Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, told the Washington Post.


    "It's the first time in history that a presidential candidate has ever supported full and equal protection for same-sex couples," Leno said.


    Kerry made his comments in a conversation with Leno and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., at a fund-raiser at the plush Mark Hopkins hotel last Friday, Leno said.


    Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter confirmed that the conversation had taken place, and pointed out that Kerry's statements reflected his ongoing support for providing federal benefits to same-sex couples.


    "He has not reviewed the over thousand benefits but stands by his commitment to equality," Cutter said.


    Though Kerry has come out against a proposed amendment to the U.S. Constitution banning same-sex marriages, he has stated explicitly that he opposes gay marriage. Like other leading Democrats, Kerry is walking a fine line between supporting the rights of gay couples while showing his support for "traditional" marriage.


    But his support for gay couples was called into question last week when he endorsed an amendment to the Massachusetts state Constitution banning same-sex marriages -- as long as it included a provision to honor civil unions for same-sex couples. That stance upset gay activists nationwide.


    "Senator Kerry is wrong," said David Noble, president of the National Stonewall Democrats (NSD). "We're disappointed and upset that he would endorse this measure."


    Kerry's pledge to grant same-sex couples all the federal rights of marriage without actually allowing them to marry is a step in the right direction, said NSD Communications Director John Marble.


    "His position isn't perfect," Marble told the Gay.com/PlanetOut.com Network. "It's not where we want him to be. However, there are few politicians that have a more progressive position."


    Mable said that while the GLBT community should not settle for anything less than full marriage equality, it is important to work with politicians where they are, particularly if they are moving toward equality for GLBT people.


    "It doesn't mean that we're happy with where they are or that we don't keep pushing them," Marble said. "It means we are patient with the process."


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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    #2
    Re: John Kerry is For Gay Marriage

    Originally posted by steve
    My prediction is that "1049" will, within a week, become the new buzzword. Anyway, Everything I have read on Kerry suggests he is for gay "marriage" - marriage being the legal rights of the union of two individuals. The only problem is, he's had to be really careful with how he words his opinions because folks are bigoted in this country but a slight majority right now.

    Thoughts?

    Thoughts? Yeah.......you're a moron.

    He said in face of TV cameras and the nation just last week that he opposed gay marriages. It would be a Republican dream come true if he now said he supports it.
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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    • John Ashcroft
      Veteran
      • Jan 2004
      • 2127

      #3
      Also, you're showing your colors here. And those "elitist" colors are exactly what's sending the politicians in your party packing election after election after election. Do you really think you're amongst the "smart" ones in the minority, and the rest of us are ignorant hicks? Just because someone opposes gay marriage doesn't make them a bigot or even "non-intellectual", and the people in this country certainly don't need you and your type of snob to rescue us from ourselves. This country did pretty damn good for itself without this modern day "enlightened thinking" eminating from the left. It's not the subject, or even discussion of "taboo" subjects that turns me off with you liberals, it's your fucking arrogance.

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      • BigBadBrian
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jan 2004
        • 10620

        #4
        Originally posted by John Ashcroft
        It's not the subject, or even discussion of "taboo" subjects that turns me off with you liberals, it's your fucking arrogance.
        I think you have something there, JA. They know everything and the rest of the damned country doesn't. You hit it on the head.
        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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        • steve
          Sniper
          • Feb 2004
          • 841

          #5
          Keep up with the cussing - it makes you look like a class act.

          Keep up with the name calling of me and yourself - I'll stay out of it.

          I didn't call anyone a "hick", you did. I called no-one a "non-intellectual"; whatever that means - you did.

          I'm sorry you are offended that I used the word bigot in referring to those that think gay people are second class citizens - but that's how I feel. Using the word "bigot" isn't name calling - you know that. Bigot has specific meaning in relevance to what we're talking about.

          So...I propose ya'll stop with the name calling and actually explain why you think gay people shouldn't get married. If you have reasons, spray 'em. Otherwise, kiss my ugly, skinny, liberal ass.

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          • steve
            Sniper
            • Feb 2004
            • 841

            #6
            With regards to Kerry, the reason I posted this is not because I think so highly about what he's doing (wiggling his way out of admitting the fact that he thinks gays ought to have the right to marry - because that's what he actually thinks if you read between the lines). In fact, if it were jsut some dude on the street I'd tell him (Kerry) to grow some hair on his balz and admit how he actually feels.

            However - is it right for a Kerry supporter to cut the guy some slack as to this issue? Is it justifiable in politics to dodge a wedge issue that is being used to set up an honorable man for failure? Politics being a game, is it right for him to play this way?

            I think it's worth it if we can get GW to the unemployment line.


            Lastly, I actually think you're right that Republicans are going to use this against him.

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            • steve
              Sniper
              • Feb 2004
              • 841

              #7
              P.S. - "taboo"?????

              What are you talking about?

              Name one person that has said gay marriage is a taboo subject. Not me or anyone I've read. Folks are just arguing if it's moral or not.

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              • Ally_Kat
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Jan 2004
                • 7608

                #8
                marriage is a religious sacrament. They should stop calling it marriage. Civil union would be better. Want to put your butt buddie on your health insurance? Fine, but don't call it marriage.

                I still say that this will lead to attacks against any of the denominations after they turn away some couple from having a church wedding.
                Roth Army Militia

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                • EAST COAST

                  #9
                  dreams and prayers, liberals... YOU GOT 4 MORE YEARS OF REALITY COMIN AT YOU... AND I KNOW IT PAINS YOU DEEPLY

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                  • knuckleboner
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2927

                    #10
                    not likely, ally. are there attacks on the catholic church for not letting women be priests?

                    are there attacks for not allowing divorced (non-annulled) people to marry?

                    are there attacks for not letting two jewish people get married in a church?


                    the whole problem is that we refer to current "civil unions" between men and women as "marriages." there is no religious aspect to the legal requirements of a "marriage."

                    civilly, marriage means one thing. and religiously it means another.

                    if someone can explain to me how the nic cage/lisa marie presley "marriage" was at all religious in nature i'll be impressed. otherwise, it was a civil union by any other name...

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                    • ELVIS
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 44120

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ally_Kat
                      marriage is a religious sacrament. They should stop calling it marriage. Civil union would be better. Want to put your butt buddie on your health insurance? Fine, but don't call it marriage.


                      What a woman!

                      Thank you Ally!

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                      • steve
                        Sniper
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 841

                        #12
                        About arrogance....

                        EVERYONE THAT HAS OPINIONS IS ARROGANT. Bill O'Reily (whom I agree very little with) is arrogant, just as much as people I agree with (like Diamond Dave). Otherwise, you're a nice little flower pettal with nice little friends and everyone thinks you're just peachy - but they also think you're a tool

                        I'd LIKE to think I have an ego and am arrogant, but I know I ain't that great. You're arrogant for calling me arrogant.

                        Did I use "arrogant" enough?

                        Come on, dude - that's a weak criticism. And so is the whole "send you packing your bags" critique - that's like saying "your ideas are right, but you act like a smartass". Well, if folks are voting against good ideas and for "the nice guy you would have over to your b-b-q but is a numbskull"...well, the country is worse off than I thought.

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          What are you talking about ?? Spit out your spew you arrogant biggot...

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                          • steve
                            Sniper
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 841

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                            What a woman!

                            Thank you Ally!
                            There you go.
                            I can agree with that.

                            Take the word "marriage" out of government domain, as it shares a definition with the religious sacrement. Fine by me.

                            Just give everyone the same legal protections that are currently granted under legal "marriage". White, blacks, Jews, Asians, Atheists, Christians, gays, and heteros.

                            And that's what Kerry wants to do. That is what Bush is now "troubled by" and vehomently against. That is why there is a HUGE differenc on this issue between the two.

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                            • Catfish

                              #15
                              Of course he's for it.

                              The libs would come out against the sun rising every morning if the Bush people spoke in favor of it.

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