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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    The left's war for international affection

    The left's war for international affection
    David Limbaugh


    June 14, 2005



    If I hear one more time how the United States better clean up its image in the world so we don't further alienate foreigners and generate more terrorists, I think I'm going to retch.

    There is no small amount of irony in the fact that the people who are doing their level best to make sure the news is dominated by stories portraying America as imperialistic and inhumane are the same ones warning that we dare not permit our image to deteriorate.

    They are determined to bring us stories week after week that depict the United States as a heartless monster. They have been telling us since we attacked Iraq that the Bush administration manipulated the intelligence data on WMD and lied to get us into war, and that we preemptively struck Iraq without provocation and in contravention of international law.

    It didn't matter to them that all of the independent investigations they touted rejected their ultimate conclusions: that President Bush pressured the intelligence agencies to doctor the evidence in favor of war and that he misrepresented their unanimous assessment that Saddam was stockpiling WMD.

    They just kept disseminating the same lies -- to the point that 90 percent of the Democrat base was actually taken in by them. And, finally, after waiting patiently for years for a smoking gun to incriminate the Bush administration, the American Left thought it had received a gift from the God it doesn't believe in: the Downing Street Memo.

    This "scandalous" record of a meeting among British officials would be no less powerful than the DNA-stained blue dress that jogged Bill Clinton's memory during the days of the Kenneth Starr witch hunt. But though the memo said, "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy," an honest contextual reading revealed that "fixed" didn't mean "manipulated."

    All but Bushophobic readers understood that this same memo disclosed a genuine belief by the Brits that Saddam did in fact have WMD and that he might unleash them on allied forces if we attacked. Even liberal columnist Michael Kinsley doesn't seem to buy that the memo is a smoking gun. The memo has turned out to be much ado about nothing.

    Not to worry. There's always Gitmo: the story that just won't die -- the Left will see to that. Their relentless mantra is that the Bush administration systematically abuses and tortures terrorist war prisoners -- at Gitmo and elsewhere.

    Forget that we mostly bend over backward to treat enemy combatants with kid gloves, feeding them better than our own troops, providing them with copies of the Koran and enforcing special rules to ensure it is treated respectfully. Forget that the toughest interrogation techniques to which many objected only lasted two weeks, and still did not result in the 20th 9-11 hijacker being physically assaulted. But they did result in the ascertainment of critical information that may have saved many American and Iraqi lives.

    The Left steadfastly chooses to ignore the positive, hype the negative and presume American culpability. They deny their reflexively anti-American instincts and congenital softness on terrorism, insisting they are more committed to winning the war than even the evil "neocons." It's just America's methods they disapprove of.

    But where did they get this rarely challenged, counterintuitive and nonsensical idea that terrorism is spawned primarily by American misconduct -- or America's cavalier image? How can anyone with the slightest hint of objectivity conclude that Islamic terrorism is a reaction to, or a byproduct of, evil emanating from the United States? Who, besides the terrorist themselves could possibly take such garbage seriously?

    Leave it to the American Left, which bristles at the slightest insinuation that it sometimes goes to extensive lengths to conceal its patriotism, to figure that the outcome of the war will be determined by means of a popularity contest -- America's image abroad -- rather than bombs, guns and bullets.

    Indeed, the Left and squishy moderates are now saying we should close down Gitmo, even if it is clear no mistreatment of terrorist prisoners is occurring there -- because such a gesture will show the world our goodwill and rehabilitate our image.

    Such thinking is pathetic and promises disastrous consequences. Of course we should comport ourselves consistent with our high moral standards -- because it is the right thing to do. But we must not delude ourselves into thinking the war is a PR contest and place ourselves and our troops into a PC straightjacket in order to score higher on the next international poll.

    The notion that our success in the war will depend on our image is appeasement-driven psychobabble. But if the Left is so convinced of it, isn't it time they ceased and desisted doing everything in their power to destroy our image?

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    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • Warham
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Mar 2004
    • 14589

    #2
    I feel the same way, David.

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49205

      #3
      Originally posted by Warham
      I feel the same way, David.
      You mean that you're trying to get out from under your brother's shadow too?:confused:

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58789

        #4
        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
        You mean that you're trying to get out from under your brother's shadow too?:confused:
        Nah, David Limpdick is very happy in his brother's anal cysted shadow. If it wasn't for Mush, not even a handful of delusional Busheep would know his name.
        Eat Us And Smile

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        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • steve
          Sniper
          • Feb 2004
          • 841

          #5
          I kind of glazed over the article...one thing that REALLY is begginnning to annoy me...

          No one is arguing we close down the prison in Cuba because of mistreatment of prisoners.

          People argue that we should charge these folks with something.
          We are holding them all there without charging them with anything.

          That doesn't mean I AGREE with them, but that's the argument.

          Tired of seeing all this RED HERRING BS.

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10625

            #6
            Originally posted by steve
            I kind of glazed over the article...one thing that REALLY is begginnning to annoy me...

            No one is arguing we close down the prison in Cuba because of mistreatment of prisoners.


            That's because they are really not being mistreated.

            Unless you count not having MTV and video games as mistreatment.
            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58789

              #7
              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
              That's because they are really not being mistreated.

              Unless you count not having MTV and video games as mistreatment.
              OK then, I'll be sure to stop by your house sometime and piss in your bedroom window, aiming straight for your Bible
              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32576

                #8
                Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                That's because they are really not being mistreated.
                Yet if OUR troops were subjected to the SAME treatment by the enemy you'd be SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER.
                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • Warham
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14589

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                  Yet if OUR troops were subjected to the SAME treatment by the enemy you'd be SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER.
                  No, our troops are being subjected to car bombs. That's worse treatment.

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                  • LoungeMachine
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32576

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Warham
                    No, our troops are being subjected to car bombs. That's worse treatment.
                    no, THAT's WAR

                    I'm sorry that Rummy and his gang were unprepared, and our troops not equipped well.
                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • Warham
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 14589

                      #11
                      Yep, you are right, Lounge. It IS war.

                      Then why are you bitching about us detaining terrorists and giving them three square meals a day?

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                      • BigBadBrian
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10625

                        #12
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        OK then, I'll be sure to stop by your house sometime and piss in your bedroom window, aiming straight for your Bible
                        It doesn't surprise me that FORD takes up for the Gitmo terrorists.
                        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 58789

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                          It doesn't surprise me that FORD takes up for the Gitmo terrorists.
                          Considering we don't know who they are, how many of them there are, and none of them have been charged with anything, then how do you know they're "terrorists"?
                          Eat Us And Smile

                          Cenk For America 2024!!

                          Justice Democrats


                          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49205

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                            That's because they are really not being mistreated.

                            Unless you count not having MTV and video games as mistreatment.
                            Being terminally held without charge IS mistreatment! Never knowing when you get out, no sentence, no trial, just continued existence away from family and possibly in isolation. It also sets a really bad precedent when American citizens are added to the list as this White House has tried to do! And that's assuming we're not hearing the details of the extensive 'interrogations' that have taken place.

                            The gov't knows by now who's dangerous and who was just a small fish in the wrong place at the wrong time. Send the fuckers back to their government's custody and get them off my tax dole, and charge the real terrorists!

                            Yeah, sounds like a South Cuba beach party and barbecue to me?

                            And as far as terminal confinement not being a form of inflicted suffering, I suggest you read Michel Foucaults "History of Prison," Discipline And Punish.



                            Discipline and Punish (1975)is a genealogical study of the development of the "gentler" modern way of imprisoning criminals rather than torturing or killing them. While recognizing the element of genuinely enlightened reform, Foucault particularly emphasizes how such reform also becomes a vehicle of more effective control: "to punish less, perhaps; but certainly to punish better". He further argues that the new mode of punishment becomes the model for control of an entire society, with factories, hospitals, and schools modeled on the modern prison. We should not, however, think that the deployment of this model was due to the explicit decisions of some central controlling agency. In typically genealogical fashion, Foucault's analysis shows how techniques and institutions, developed for different and often quite innocuous purposes, converged to create the modern system of disciplinary power.
                            Last edited by Nickdfresh; 06-15-2005, 04:18 PM.

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                            • LoungeMachine
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 32576

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Warham
                              Yep, you are right, Lounge. It IS war.

                              Then why are you bitching about us detaining terrorists and giving them three square meals a day?
                              By all means, please quote where I bitched about detainment and 3 meals a day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                              You LOVE to whine about people reading into your posts things you never said.

                              Perhaps you could live by your own advice for once.
                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                              Originally posted by cadaverdog
                              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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