Dave and Rock and Roll sales

[edvanheineken]

Artist / Title / USA Sales To Date
Styx - Big Bang Theory - 42,855 (Still a recent release and selling) Cyclorama - 56,017 Brave New World - 73,428
Dokken - Hell To Pay - 15,739 Long Way Home - 21,141 Shadowlife - 51,140
Bon Jovi - Crush - 1,994,800 Bounce - 712,971 100 Million Fans Can't Be Wrong - 104,975 This Left Feels Right - 424,489 One Wild Night - Live 1985-2001 - 521,969
Van Halen - III - 513,921 For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge - 2,950,337 The Best Of Both Worlds - 568,170
Sammy Hagar - The Essential Red Collection - 91,423
David Lee Roth - Diamond Dave - 15,676
Iommi w/ Glenn Hughes - The DEP Sessions - 6,420
Iommi - Fused - 4,976 (Only just released)
W.A.S.P. - Neon God Part I - 17,014 Neon God Part 2 - 8438
MSG - Arachnophobiac - 6,213 Heavy Hitters - 567 (Just released)
Kevin Dubrow - In For The Kill - 981
Pretty Boy Floyd - Size Really Does Matter - 795
Twisted Sister - Still Hungry - 13,334
Bang Tango - Ready To Go - 1,615
Kansas - Somewhere to Elsewhere - 38,344
Bryan Adams - Room Service - 27,402
John Waite - The Hard Way - 5,721
L.A. Guns - Rips The Covers Off - 3,594
Dio - Master of the Moon - 25,777
Motley Crue - Red White & Crue - 399,741
Megadeth - The System Has Failed - 161,229
38 Special - Drivetrain - 13,341
Asia - Silent Nation - 5,558
Heart - Jupiter's Darling - 73,394
Brides Of Destruction - Here Come The Brides - 41,018
Gene Simmons - Asshole - 33,445
Fleetwood Mac - Say You Will - 847,338
Velvet Revolver - Contraband - 1,783,565
Scorpions - Unbreakable - 36,139
Bruce Dickinson - Tyranny Of Souls - 16,385
Billy Idol - Devil's Playground - 81,225
Various Artists - VH1 Metal Mania Stripped - 57,576
Hall And Oates - Our Kind Of Soul - 105,516
Tsar - Tsar 5,109 Band Girls Money - 1,099 (Just released)
Frickin A - Big Egos...No Ideas - 8,703 (Jessie's Girl single - 17,622!)
Anberlin - Never Take Friendship Personal - 44,101


http://www.melodicrock.com/



Aside from a few select groups like VR, old rockers are dead! DLR sold 15K copies of his last album. Billy Idol has a great new album out and it has sold 80k copies. Basically, unless you are a U2, your relevance in the music world is very short lived. Your only hope in music is that you bang out a bunch of awesome albums and then make a living out of touring them for 30 years. Look at the Stones. What was their last great album and when was it released. No one buys any of their shit anymore unless it's a greatest hits repackage. Dave sure has done a number on himself. He should have a musical cache due to his 6 albums with VH alone. How he has managed to become a commercial failure is a complex issue. No one should sink so low from such heights. However, as we know, it is not hard to fuck things up. Yeah, the old "Nirvana killed old rock" is partially true, but how do you explain acts like U2 being able to survive the 80s, 90s and today's music scene? Their brilliant, that's how. Dave beat the shit out of his rap and image. His solo music, IMO, has a great deal of merit. Most of it is at least above average. Honestly, though, what could he possibly do now to change his outlook at 50? If he were to start playing lots of awesome solo Dave at his concerts, he'd probably get booed off stage. As far as putting out an awesome rocking album, hi did do that. The DLR band album had crap production, but lots of attitude and great songs. Hardly anyone bought it. Dave probably figured that covers was the way to go in 03. Well, look above for the startling results. Really, I think it's over for Dave as a solo act. Not that I don't believe in his ability to put out more great music, but because albums have to sell in order for a musician to carry on. Dave just can't do that any longer. It's either the radio gig or a far fetched CVH tour. The man can't even pull in 2,000 people into clubs anymore. He's reduced to rib fests. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to play rib fests. However, we are talking about a former VH singer and arguably one of the greatest frontmen in the history of R&R. Give me your thoughts.

[Warham]

I thought the radio gig was a good idea.

[rustoffa]

Jimminy fucking crickets.

The Diamond Dave album was never intended to be a commercial success....neither was DLR Band. IMO, the last record full of good intentions was ALAE.

*NEWSFLASH*
Dave Roth is somewhat of an eccentric motherfucker. He's probably not checking the balance when he hits an ATM either. He does what he wants to do and I promise you.....I FUCKING PROMISE YOU, he could care less about perceived viability.

There he is....Mr. Happy Go Lucky. Fuck, never mind...he just logged out.

[Warham]

I'm actually kind of surprised by some of those low numbers.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Warham
I'm actually kind of surprised by some of those low numbers.
:D

Kevin Dubrow can't afford a new wig.

[edvanheineken]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Jimminy fucking crickets.

The Diamond Dave album was never intended to be a commercial success....neither was DLR Band. IMO, the last record full of good intentions was ALAE.

*NEWSFLASH*
Dave Roth is somewhat of an eccentric motherfucker. He's probably not checking the balance when he hits an ATM either. He does what he wants to do and I promise you.....I FUCKING PROMISE YOU, he could care less about perceived viability.

There he is....Mr. Happy Go Lucky. Fuck, never mind...he just logged out.



I disagree! If Dave doesn't give a shit if he sells a dozen copies, then why the fuck did he go to Europe to get the album pushed over there. Did you listen to his radio gig in Boston? He is not as fucked in the head as some would believe. A bit of a misconception IMO. BTW, the festival shit is clearly a way to blast into the past when he'd play loaded stadiums. Come on dude! No one puts on a production like the one on the "Diamond Dave" cd for shits and giggles. Even if that's what Dave feels, think about the suits that put out the fucking thing! Do you think they'd like to sell a few more to recoup the money? FUCK YEAH!

[edvanheineken]

Originally posted by rustoffa
:D

Kevin Dubrow can't afford a new wig.

Bwahahaahhhaa! Jesus! 981 copies????

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by edvanheineken
I disagree! If Dave doesn't give a shit if he sells a dozen copies, then why the fuck did he go to Europe to get the album pushed over there. Did you listen to his radio gig in Boston? He is not as fucked in the head as some would believe. A bit of a misconception IMO. BTW, the festival shit is clearly a way to blast into the past when he'd play loaded stadiums. Come on dude! No one puts on a production like the one on the "Diamond Dave" cd for shits and giggles. Even if that's what Dave feels, think about the suits that put out the fucking thing! Do you think they'd like to sell a few more to recoup the money? FUCK YEAH!

The dudes @ Magna Carta probably wear t-shirts.
:rolleyes:

The shits and giggles thing?

That's actually probably a major factor.
:)

[edvanheineken]

Originally posted by rustoffa
The dudes @ Magna Carta probably wear t-shirts.
:rolleyes:

The shits and giggles thing?

That's actually probably a major factor.
:)


Actually, the t-shirts thing is pretty funny rust! Good one! Hey, only Dave knows what Dave thinks. Common though, don't ya think he'd like to taste at least gold again?

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by edvanheineken
Actually, the t-shirts thing is pretty funny rust! Good one! Hey, only Dave knows what Dave thinks. Common though, don't ya think he'd like to taste at least gold again?


I dunno if he's willing to compromise.....regarding what tasting gold would entail.

So basically, what would seem to be his ridgid, mid-life rule book kinda slams the door on gettin' back some bullets.

Fuck, I have no idea dude....ask one of the musicians around here.

:)

[Warham]

Is 981 copies breaking even?

:D

[Terry]

Far as my own tastes are concerned, the amount of copies a release sells has little to do with its 'musical relevance'. If I like what I'm hearing, doesn't really matter to me if 15 other people bought it or 15 million.

Amount of units moved has a direct correlation with commercial relevance, but since I neither work for nor own stock in any major or indie record labels, I could really give a shit.

U2 has managed to keep selling a lot of records throughout the years, while the majority of artists who had careers in the 1980s and are still active today aren't. Ok. Pretty much....um...so what? Good for U2, and good for you if you're a U2 fan.

Why isn't Dave still selling a lot of records now? Think a good portion of it has to do with people associating him with CVH to the exclusion of everything else. In the end, that's what he's always gonna be remembered for abive all else to the public at large. How many people who were into hard rock in the 1980s (when they were in their teens and early twenties) are even listening to it or going to concerts anymore? People get older, get families, get other priorities. Am sure to many of today's young record buyers, Roth is just a relic in their eyes. The main record buying demo wasn't even BORN when CVH were still together.

A slight part of it has to due with availability. Both the DLR Band and Diamond Dave didn't have a huge media promotional blitz and hundereds of thousands of copies shipped around the country available for purchase. There are plenty of record stores that don't even HAVE a section of their CD's reserved for only Roth solo releases. You can't easily find the stuff anymore.

There's only a few dozen groups/artists out of the thousands upon of thousands who have released records since rock came to the fore that are among the greats. And not every record U2 put out was a smash, either (plenty of copies of Pop to be found in Bargain Bins. Same goes for Zep's Presence. Does that make them shitty albums?). Virtually nobody remains commercially hot forever.

[Shredking]

Originally posted by edvanheineken
Artist / Title / USA Sales To Date
Styx - Big Bang Theory - 42,855 (Still a recent release and selling) Cyclorama - 56,017 Brave New World - 73,428
Dokken - Hell To Pay - 15,739 Long Way Home - 21,141 Shadowlife - 51,140
Bon Jovi - Crush - 1,994,800 Bounce - 712,971 100 Million Fans Can't Be Wrong - 104,975 This Left Feels Right - 424,489 One Wild Night -

These stats are proof that a million people CAN be wrong.

What kind of sad bastard buys cookie-cutter shit like this anymore? They need to get rid of the spandex and leather waistcoats and start listening to grown-up music. :o

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Shredking
These stats are proof that a million people CAN be wrong.

There's an intact fan base, obviously. How many albums have YOU sold lately, dipshit?

What kind of sad bastard buys cookie-cutter shit like this anymore? They need to get rid of the spandex and leather waistcoats and start listening to grown-up music. :o

What would you suggest? I'm curious as to what you're in to.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Shredking
These stats are proof that a million people CAN be wrong.

What kind of sad bastard buys cookie-cutter shit like this anymore? They need to get rid of the spandex and leather waistcoats and start listening to grown-up music. :o

Keep it on topic. Are you a sizemotologist?

[Shredking]

Originally posted by bueno bob
There's an intact fan base, obviously. How many albums have YOU sold lately, dipshit?

Millions!

And not just from being Green Day with shred solos either.

:cool:

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Shredking
Millions!

And not just from being Green Day with shred solos either.

:cool:

I'm sure you did, buddy!

Ladies and gentleman, a succesful musician who's sold a million billion quadrillion records has deigned to post on our lovely site! We should all be so flattered!

:rolleyes:

Yngwie owns you.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Shredking
Which one is the "G" string, again? :confused:

[Shredking]

Originally posted by bueno bob
I'm sure you did, buddy!

Ladies and gentleman, a succesful musician who's sold a million billion quadrillion records has deigned to post on our lovely site! We should all be so flattered!

:rolleyes:

Yngwie owns you.

Sure I have. Don't believe me? Check my site (http://www.jimmypageonline.com/)...

[Toni Montana]

da only albums dave be movin deez daze iz at da concesscion stand after his show. peepz not only do you git a cassette. u get a autograph too! now dont cutzz 2 da front of da line. u knowz da 4 peepz ahead u have been waiting b4 u gotz there.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Shredking
Sure I have. Don't believe me? Check my site (http://www.jimmypageonline.com/)...

So...what you're saying is that you ARE a washed up, drugged out, pussified has-been, then?

Remember those two buddies of yours, Ritchie Blackmore and Tony Iommi?

They STILL own you.

Ha ha.

Problem is, you're the one who has to live with it :D

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Toni Montana
da only albums dave be movin deez daze iz at da concesscion stand after his show. peepz not only do you git a cassette. u get a autograph too! now dont cutzz 2 da front of da line. u knowz da 4 peepz ahead u have been waiting b4 u gotz there.

This dipshit talks as much jibberish as Bobgnote.

I think :confused:

[tydhurst]

Originally posted by bueno bob
So...what you're saying is that you ARE a washed up, drugged out, pussified has-been, then?

Remember those two buddies of yours, Ritchie Blackmore and Tony Iommi?

They STILL own you.

Ha ha.

Problem is, you're the one who has to live with it :D

I know Shredking's a wanker, but is there any need to bring Pagey down? he was the man!

[BenJammin]

Originally posted by bueno bob
This dipshit talks as much jibberish as Bobgnote.

I think :confused:


His phonetics are confusing, not so much the message itself (but I'm still not sure of the true intent and/ or sarcasm)

[Hardrock69]

Haha Kevin Dubrow only sold 981....

I was on the road in most of 1984....I went to a music store and actually bought the Quiet Riot album "Condition Critical", which was a good description of the quality of the album.

It sucked so bad that I did not even make it through Side A of the cassette. I went back to the music store and demanded a refund.

Those numbers only reflect sales in the US though I bet.

So the statement that if you are not U2 you are now irrelevant applies only to the trendiest country on Earth. :rolleyes:

I bet if you count worldwide sales, the numbers will paint a very different picture.

[spmusicplyr]

of all things, why is van halens FUCK album in that list?

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by spmusicplyr
of all things, why is van halens FUCK album in that list?

wasn't that the clear pepsi promotional album? :rolleyes: That's what went wrong with VH. They just simply SOLD OUT. Dave didn't-

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by edvanheineken
Bwahahaahhhaa! Jesus! 981 copies????

LMFAO! I'm actually surprised there are THAT many trailer dwelling, mulleted DuBrow fans still out there!

[floyd95]

I saw DuBrow here in Houston eating at a Mexican restaraunt about 6 or 7 months ago. He looked alright. He was touring through Texas I guess. He probably sells those CD's at his show. Who gives a shit what sells and doesn't. Dave has a legacy. That's what matters.

BTW found this news item:

The makers of the not-to-be-taken-lightly Newcastle Brown Ale recently conducted a "summer music survey' and found that the world is full of baby boomers more than willing to fill out a survey. Although some younger and newer bands (Coldplay, Green Day, 311, System of a Down and others) managed to sneak into some high slots in the results, most of the categories were led by doddering bands and musicians of the sort whose fans claim are still as good as ever which is a lie, by the way.

Some high points of the survey:

* The most highly anticipated concert tour of the summer: The eternally Rolling Stones, with more than 25 percent of Newcastle drinkers who participate in surveys finding it difficult to wait for the return of Jagger/Richards to a stadium near them.

* The band they'd like to see get back together: Van Halen, with David Lee Roth fronting. Almost a third of the respondents want this to happen.

* Best guitar riff: We're not sure which particular "riff' they're riffering to, but the Newcastle crowd's favorite, overwhelmingly, is the 8-minute, 3-second, 35-year-old guitar riff, "Stairway to Heaven," with Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page doing the riffing. Also-rans in the riffing category: Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love," (1968), Dire Strait's "Money for Nothing' (1985) and the new kids, Guns 'N' Roses' "Welcome to the Jungle' (1988). No "Free Bird' (1975)? Nope, no "Free Bird' (1975).


http://www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~23169~3001399,00.html

[shaggydoo]

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention! Did the figures showing "Diamond Dave" only sold 15,676 copies include Detonator distributions or only just the Magna Carta distributions?

Those figures seriously disturbing!

"The Essential Red Collection" sales at 91,423 couldn't possibly be true (please don't let it be true)! That shit sucks worse than a drunk lying in a gutter sucking diarrhoea out of a cats ass!

[floyd95]

apples and oranges, the hagar set is a best of... didn't dave's best of sell 200,000

that diamond dave cd is not a commercial release

[floyd95]

are there any real up to date sales statistics anywhere on the internet?

does anyone know?