Gas prices Skyrocketing

[Joe Mannix]

Thanks George W for the wonderful prices
he promised.


FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Joe Mannix
Thanks George W for the wonderful prices
he promised.


FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Isn't VP Cheney a former oil industry honcho?

Couldn't be any conflict there....:mad:

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Joe Mannix
Thanks George W for the wonderful prices
he promised.


FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Dubya didn´t promise YOU wonderful gas prices. He promised Exxon and co. wonderful gas prices, and he´s kept his promise!

[Georgevader]

Try living in the UK, currently £4-50 a gallon, that's about $8!!!!!

[Nickdfresh]

It's amazing, the price of oil rising is the reaon we're paying more at the pump yet:

Record Prices, Record Profits
May 18, 2005
Record Prices...

Since Bush's 2nd Inauguration, Gas Prices Have Risen 32 Cents-a 17 Percent Increase. According to the Energy Information Administration, the price of regular, unleaded, gasoline has risen by 32 cents, or 17.4 percent, since Bush's 2nd inauguration. On January 17, 2005, just before Bush's 2nd inauguration the average price of gasoline was $1.84 a gallon. As of May 16, 2005, the average price of gasoline is $2.16 per gallon. [Energy Information Administration, www.eia.doe.gov]

Since Bush's 1st Inauguration, Gas Prices Have Risen 70 Cents-a 48 Percent Increase. According the Energy Information Administration, the price of regular, unleaded, gasoline has risen by 70 cents, or 47.9 percent, since Bush's 1st inauguration. On January 15, 2001 just before Bush's first inauguration the average price of gasoline was $1.46 a gallon. As of May 16, 2005, the average price of gasoline is $2.16 per gallon. [Energy Information Administration, www.eia.doe.gov]

...And Record Profits

Oil Companies Experienced Record $100 Billion in Profits During 2004. According to the New York Times, "Even though the market values of target companies are near their record highs, that is matched by record profits and cash on hand at big oil companies. With crude oil averaging $41 a barrel in 2004, the world's top 10 oil companies made more than $100 billion in profit [in 2004]. The boom is expected to grow this year. Oil futures on the New York Mercantile Exchange set a new record [on April 4], rising above $58 a barrel for the first time." [NYT, 4/5/05]

Big Oil Companies Have Experienced Record Profits of Nearly $34 Billion Since Bush Took Office. The higher overall gasoline prices have cost the American consumer a net of over $25 billion during Bush's first term in office. This money has gone directly from consumers' pocketbooks into the hands of oil companies and oil producers, including OPEC. The big three oil companies in America have profited $33.6 billion over the past three years alone. [Based on EIA Monthly Energy Review; ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco and ConocoPhillips Company Financial Reports]

2004 Profits for ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, and ConocoPhillips Broke Records Across All Industries-Not Just the Oil Industry. According to the Washington Post, "Oil companies reported record profits last year-and not just records for oil companies. Royal Dutch Shell earned $18.54 billion, while BP lagged behind with a net income of $15.73 billion, a company best. ExxonMobil broke the U.S. record by reporting a 2004 profit of $25.33 billion, taking the title away from Ford. ConocoPhillips's profit for the year rose 72 percent, while ChevronTexaco's grew 84 percent." Exxon's 2004 revenues were a company record: $298.03 billion. In February, Exxon surpassed General Electric Co. to become the largest U.S. corporation by stock market value. [Washington Post, 2/13/05; Associated Press, 4/13/05]

...And Record CEO Salaries

ExxonMobil CEO Received $38 Million in Bonuses, Despite Soaring Oil Prices. According to the Associated Press, "Buoyed by high oil prices, ExxonMobil Corp. had a record-breaking year in 2004 and chairman and chief executive Lee R. Raymond shared in the company's success with a $38 million compensation package... Exxon said that Raymond, 66, was paid $7.5 million in salary and bonus plus restricted stock worth $28 million and nearly $2.6 million more in other compensation and incentives, according to Exxon's proxy filed Wednesday with the Securities and Exchange Commission." [AP, 4/13/05]


ChevronTexaco CEO Received Nearly $10 Million in Bonuses and Stock Options. According to the Los Angeles Times, "ChevronTexaco Corp. Chief Executive David O'Reilly's compensation rose 2.2 percent last year to $9.98 million as soaring oil and fuel prices boosted profit at the second-biggest U.S. oil company." O'Reilly's salary rose 15 percent to $1.51 million; his bonus climbed 25 percent to $3.95 million; and he received options valued at $3.48 million. Other compensation, including payouts of vested performance shares and use of the company's aircraft, totaled $1.05 million. [Los Angeles Times, 3/22/05; Securities and Exchange Commission, ChevronTexaco Proxy Statement]

...And Record Stock Prices

ConocoPhillips Stock Has Increased by 75 Percent Since Bush Took Office. In addition to record profits during 2004, the stock price for ConocoPhillips increased by more than 75 percent since Bush took office. ConocoPhillips' stock rose to $96.78 per share on May 16, 2005 from $55.25 per share on January 19, 2001-and increase of more than 75 percent. This increase was in contrast of the fact that the Dow actually decreased during this same period by 335.3 points- more than 3 percent. ConocoPhillips' stock has increased by nearly 12 percent in the past five-and-a-half months alone. [Yahoo Finance]

Archie W. Dunham, Chairman of ConocoPhillips, is a Bush Pioneer. Archie W. Dunham, Chairman of ConocoPhillips, was a Bush Pioneer in 2000, pledging to raise $100,000 for the Bush-Cheney campaign. "I think we're going to have a super year," said Dunham. [Tulsa World, 4/29/04; Texans for Public Justice]

Republicans Are Pushing Special-Interest Energy Bill that Will Not Reduce Gas Prices...

Bush's Own Energy Information Administration Found the Bush Plan Wouldn't Impact Prices. A February 2004 analysis by the Energy Information Administration of the 2003 compromise energy bill-nearly identical to the current bill-found the price of oil and the level of imports would be "negligible" with or without that energy bill, all the way through 2025. According to the New York Times, Bush "advisers caution that the [Bush energy] plan would do little to address the escalating gasoline prices." [Investor's Business Daily, 3/23/05; EIA, http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip.asp; New York Times, 5/10/01]

Former Tom DeLay Aide Admits Energy Bill Will Not Solve Gas Price Problem; Only Gives Appearance of Doing Something. According to the Los Angeles Times, "Politically, it doesn't matter if such provisions deal with the long term, said [Stuart Roy, Republican strategist and former aide to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. ‘The most important thing for policy makers in the current environment of relatively high gas prices and the approaching summer travel months is action.'" [LA Times, 4/16/05]

...Because Republicans Are in Oil Companies' Pockets

REPUBLICAN PARTY: Oil and Gas Industry Contributed Nearly $67 Million to Republicans Since 2000. The oil and gas industry has contributed over $66.7 million to the RNC, NRCC, NRSC, and Republican candidates since the 2000 election cycle. The oil and gas industry contributed more than $20 million to Republicans in the 2004 cycle alone-four times more than oil money donated to Democrats. In 2004, Exxon alone gave 831,941 to Republicans. [Center for Responsive Politics]

DELAY: Energy Industry PACs Are DeLay's Second Largest Contributors: DeLay has raised nearly $830,000 from energy industry PACs, the 2nd-largest contributing special interest group to DeLay's campaigns over the course of his career. [www.tray.com]

BARTON: House Energy Chairman And Close DeLay Associate, Joe Barton, Received $1.8 Million in Contributions from Energy Industry. Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) is chair of the Energy and Commerce Committee, which recently passed the energy bill. According to the Washington Post, "If Barton gets his way and succeeds in passing this year's energy bill, there is little doubt that the oil and gas, coal, and nuclear industries will have much to celebrate... Barton and President Bush... have dipped heavily into the same rich pool of campaign contributions from corporate and trade associations, according to a review of campaign finance and lobbying records. Since 1997, oil, gas, electricity, nuclear, coal and chemical companies have contributed $1.84 million to Barton, more than to any other House member." [WP, 4/14/05]

Barton Owes Chairmanship to Energy Industry Lobbyists. The Washington Post reported, "In his quest for the chairmanship... A network of former Barton staff members-turned-lobbyists-including Jeffery M. MacKinnon (clients: Reliant Energy, Philip Morris, MCI and at least 36 others), Stephen Sayle (American Chemical Council, AT&T and 19 others) and Stephen Waguespack (Duke Energy, Ford Motor Co. and eight others)-worked the crucial corporate and trade association community on Barton's behalf." [Washington Post, 4/14/05]

...And Bush Is In the Oil Companies' Pockets

Energy Bill Rewards Bush Fundraisers. According to the Washington Post, the 2004 Republican energy bill, nearly identical to the current one, provided billions of dollars in benefits to companies run by at least 22 executives and their spouses who were either "Pioneers" or "Rangers," as well as to the clients of at least 15 lobbyists and their spouses who have achieved similar status as fundraisers. The energy bill provides industry tax breaks worth $23.5 billion over 10 years aimed at increasing domestic oil and gas production, and $5.4 billion in subsidies and loan guarantees. [WP, 11/24/03]

In 2004, 13 Pioneers and Ranger Were From The Oil and Gas Industry. 13 members of the oil and gas industry were either Pioneers, who pledged to raise $100,000 for the Bush Campaign, or Rangers, who raised $200,000 for the Bush campaign in 2004. [www.whitehouseforsale.org; Washington Post, 4/14/05]

In 2000 Election Cycle, 66 of Bush's Pioneers Were Members of the Energy and Natural Resources Industry. According to Texans for Public Justice, 66 of Bush's Pioneers in 2000-who each raised at least $100,000 for Bush-were from the energy and natural resources industry. Five of those Pioneers, including Edison Electric Institute President Thomas Kuhn, were named to Bush's Energy Transition team. [www.whitehouseforsale.org; Texans for Public Justice]

The Oil and Gas Industry Is One of Bush's Largest Career Donors. The oil and gas industry ranked 12th among career contributions to George W. Bush. In 2000, the oil and gas industry ranked 8th in the top industry contributions. In 2004, the oil and gas industry ranked 15th in the top industry contributions. [Center for Responsive Politics]

...And the Bush Administration Is Filled with People from Big Oil

"Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States."

–Dick Cheney, October 1986.

Cheney Personally Profited from Rising Gas Prices in 2000. Vice President Cheney sold his stock in Halliburton in June 2000 for $5.1 million and his stock increased $1.4 million in value due to rising gas and oil prices that drove up the value of Halliburton stock. [Associated Press, 7/25/00 Boston Globe, 7/25/00]

Oil & Gas Industry Was Cheney's Biggest Donor in 1988. In 1988, Cheney's last congressional race, the oil and gas industry gave Cheney $27,500 in PAC money, Cheney's largest donor that year. [Center for Responsive Politics, www.opensecrets.org]

Cheney Personally Profited from Rising Gas Prices in 2000. Vice President Cheney sold his stock in Halliburton in June 2000 for $5.1 million and his stock increased $1.4 million in value due to rising gas and oil prices that drove up the value of Halliburton stock. In August 2000, Cheney exercised stock options and sold 660,000 shares between Aug. 21 and 28, 2000 for $35 million; Halliburton shares were soaring because of high oil prices. Cheney made an $18.5 million profit selling his shares for more than $52 each in August 2000. [Washington Post, 7/16/02; Associated Press, 7/25/00; Boston Globe, 7/25/00]

Condoleezza Rice Served on Chevron's Board; Chevron Gave More Than $858,000 to GOP, Bush. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice served on the board of directors for Chevron, a major U.S. oil company from 1991-2001. Chevron named an oil tanker in her honor. During 1999-2000 Chevron gave GOP candidates and committees $758,588 – $534,550 to GOP committees and $224,038 to Republican Congressional candidates. Chevron employees gave $100,000 to the Bush inaugural fund. [www.crp.org; Hart's Africa Oil and Gas, 1/29/01]

Interior Secretary Gale Norton Worked for Anti-Environment, Corporate Backed Legal Foundations, Raised Money From Oil, Gas Interests. Norton was a prominent member of the Mountain States Legal Foundation (MSLF) which pursued "aggressive litigation against environmental protections, an agenda to pay polluters to obey the law, an effort to dismantle the Endangered Species Act, and a campaign to deny the seriousness of air pollution and the existence of global warming," according to the Friends of the Earth. In 1977, its first year of operation, MSLF received donations from over 175 corporations including Exxon, Amoco, Phillips 66, Marathon Oil, Ford Motor Company and Chevron. [USA Today, 1/2/01; Friends of the Earth release, U.S. Newswire, 1/2/01; AP, 7/13/98; Environmental News Network, 1/9/01; www.crp.org]

Big Oil Was Norton's Second-Largest Campaign Contributor. In 1996 Norton ran for the U.S. Senate in Colorado and raised $28,570 from the oil and gas companies, the second largest total from any industry. [www.crp.org]

Chief of Staff Andrew Card Earned $600,000 Lobbying for GM, Auto Trade Association. Before serving as White House Chief of Staff, Andrew Card had been GM's chief lobbyist for more than a year earning $600,000 a year in salary. Card was also CEO of the now-defunct trade group, the American Automobile Manufacturers Association. The AAMA spent more than $12 million on lobbying in 1997-1998 to fight Japan over trade issues and lobby against stricter fuel emissions standards. As a policy fellow for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Card testified before Congress against the "Passengers' Bill of Rights" for the airline industry. [www.crp.org; PR Newswire, 9/16/93; Roll Call, 1/22/01; National Journal, 5/8/99]

Link (http://democrats.org/a/2005/05/record_prices_r.php)

http://www.consumersunion.org/pub/core_other_issues/001541.html

[4moreyears]

It is funny people here bitch about high gas prices. Why would one not study commodities and try to participate in the profit of rising gas prices? To me it makes sense. The thing we in the US do not realize is that there is a limited supply of crude and many under developed nations (China is one example) are starting to build better infrastructure for roads. That is going to open those countries up and more people will be converting from bikes to automobiles. I think it is stupid to blame a president for a rise in gas prices. No president republican or democrat can control prices in a global economy.

JH

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
It is funny people here bitch about high gas prices. Why would one not study commodities and try to participate in the profit of rising gas prices? To me it makes sense. The thing we in the US do not realize is that there is a limited supply of crude and many under developed nations (China is one example) are starting to build better infrastructure for roads. That is going to open those countries up and more people will be converting from bikes to automobiles. I think it is stupid to blame a president for a rise in gas prices. No president republican or democrat can control prices in a global economy.

JH

Indeed.

:gulp:

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
It is funny people here bitch about high gas prices. Why would one not study commodities and try to participate in the profit of rising gas prices? To me it makes sense. The thing we in the US do not realize is that there is a limited supply of crude and many under developed nations (China is one example) are starting to build better infrastructure for roads. That is going to open those countries up and more people will be converting from bikes to automobiles. I think it is stupid to blame a president for a rise in gas prices. No president republican or democrat can control prices in a global economy.

JH

I am an economist and what you are saying has some merit...

BUT, have you been watching Bush's foreign policy in action with even one eye???Bush can affect prices like no other human on the planet save for the royal family in Saudia Arabia, etc.

Wake up and think for yourself, don't listen to CNN and believe everything they say.

[thome]

I wqs going to say we got away w cheap gas compared to the rest of the world.still that way mostly

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
It is funny people here bitch about high gas prices. Why would one not study commodities and try to participate in the profit of rising gas prices? To me it makes sense. The thing we in the US do not realize is that there is a limited supply of crude and many under developed nations (China is one example) are starting to build better infrastructure for roads. That is going to open those countries up and more people will be converting from bikes to automobiles. I think it is stupid to blame a president for a rise in gas prices. No president republican or democrat can control prices in a global economy.

JH

Yeah, and those countries use gas taxes to fund that infrastructure....Funny, but CLINTON was flamed once upon a time for rising fuel costs, did any good macro-economist, like you '4moreyears,' step up to the plate then?

Fine, gas prices will rise and we should be thankful for our comparatively low fuel costs...But why is it that oil companies are getting record profits if the supply is drying up? Why is it American motorists that have to bear the brunt?

[Mr Grimsdale]

China under developed?

Certainly, it's a developing country but under-developed?

Take a trip to Shanghai and you'll see the future rather than the past.

The bulk of the country, in terms of land mass, is still agriculture driven but there are plenty of regions in the US and Europe that are also pretty backward.

[Angel]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
BUT, have you been watching Bush's foreign policy in action with even one eye???Bush can affect prices like no other human on the planet save for the royal family in Saudia Arabia, etc.

I agree with all that, however I 100% believe the current price increases are due to the turmoil in Saudi.

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

Fine, gas prices will rise and we should be thankful for our comparatively low fuel costs...But why is it that oil companies are getting record profits if the supply is drying up? Why is it American motorists that have to bear the brunt?

Nick, Very simple it is called supply and demand. When demand out paces supply you can charge more and make more profits. I was reading about corp. CEO's getting millions of dollars when they leave a company that does not perform. Here people are making money hand over fist for their shareholders and there are still issues.

JH

[FORD]

Bullshit. You have an industry controlled by 4 fucking companies, which leads to price fixing. Then that industry owns the Fraudministration in the White House, which ensures that they are never regulated.

The only oil shortage is in terms of the long term supply. All the so called "shortages" of the last few decades have been manufactured to drive up the price, often for purely political motives, like duping a bunch of ignorant Freeper shits into supporting a useless illegal war.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by FORD
Bullshit. You have an industry controlled by 4 fucking companies, which leads to price fixing. Then that industry owns the Fraudministration in the White House, which ensures that they are never regulated.

The only oil shortage is in terms of the long term supply. All the so called "shortages" of the last few decades have been manufactured to drive up the price, often for purely political motives, like duping a bunch of ignorant Freeper shits into supporting a useless illegal war. Couldn´t be more true if it was written in the Encyclopedia Brittanica!

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by FORD
Bullshit. You have an industry controlled by 4 fucking companies, which leads to price fixing. Then that industry owns the Fraudministration in the White House, which ensures that they are never regulated.

The only oil shortage is in terms of the long term supply. All the so called "shortages" of the last few decades have been manufactured to drive up the price, often for purely political motives, like duping a bunch of ignorant Freeper shits into supporting a useless illegal war.

Thank you Ford, save me the trouble.

It is amazing how dangerous a liitle bit of "knowledge" can be...

Sheep are everywhere and don't question what is being spoonfed to them

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Angel
I agree with all that, however I 100% believe the current price increases are due to the turmoil in Saudi.

Yeah!!! Why is there turmoil in Saudi Arabia ---Hello McFly!!!

Saudi Arabia is seen as an ally of US...C'mon now

[Cathedral]

Welpper's Feller's...I just put $68 in my van to fill it and there ain't a damn thing i can do about it.
I'm going to Columbus for the weekend, and i need gas to get there, lol.

So, as long as i have places to go that require fuel i consider my nuts in a vise and at the mercy of those who provide that fuel.

Yes, it sucks!
But what ya gonna do?

The Mopar's are waiting...

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
Thank you Ford, save me the trouble.

It is amazing how dangerous a liitle bit of "knowledge" can be...

Sheep are everywhere and don't question what is being spoonfed to them

Like I said my views have nothing to do with what comes out of Washington (Or I will use spoonfed to quote your terminology). It has to do with supply and demand. I am actually trying to understand commodities a bit better. If gas looks like it will keep going up, to me it does, than investing some money into oil could prove a worthwhile investment. That is all I am saying.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Like I said my views have nothing to do with what comes out of Washington (Or I will use spoonfed to quote your terminology). It has to do with supply and demand. I am actually trying to understand commodities a bit better. If gas looks like it will keep going up, to me it does, than investing some money into oil could prove a worthwhile investment. That is all I am saying.

Oh spare me!:rolleyes: If it's just about supply in demand, why does so much special interest bribing go on? It's about corporations fixing the market and insulating themselves from their cries of shrinking supply...It's an oligopoly!

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Oh spare me!:rolleyes: If it's just about supply in demand, why does so much special interest bribing go on? It's about corporations fixing the market and insulating themselves from their cries of shrinking supply...It's an oligopoly!

Nick,

these are all allegations, and it is hard to base a conversation around them.

JH

[FORD]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Nick,

these are all allegations, and it is hard to base a conversation around them.

JH

Unless someone puts it in an e mail and sends it out at random. Then it becomes the gospel truth, as far as you're concerned.

[scamper]

Did Carter fake a fuel shortage during his administration?

[NightProwler]

bush I "Read my lips, no new taxes."

dumbya "mission accomplished."

Only fools believe a bush when he speaks.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Joe Mannix
Thanks George W for the wonderful prices
he promised.


FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Hell, that's nothing.

I'll bet if we lose 2,000 more troops we can get the price of gas to $5 a gallon.

It's worth it.

TELL YOUR FAMILIS TO ENLIST

"U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A."


:spank:
ps 10,000 dead troops, hell, we can make it to $10 a gallon! Hell, let's just blow up da werld. Dat would be GRATE.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by scamper
Did Carter fake a fuel shortage during his administration?
Did Carter fuck up losing da puppet Shah aff Iran AND HIS OIL and git a bunch aff fat, chubby, white S.O.B.'s taken "hostage" and almost starting WWIII?

WHY OF COURSE, YOU DUMB FAKKER!

Phil the Stalker on da phone wit police.


PtS: They're holding me hostage.

Cops: *&^%$^%#$&^

PtS: NO! Me "hostage!"

Why do peeps always hear wot they want t2o hear?


:spank:

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by scamper
Did Carter fake a fuel shortage during his administration?

That was a coodinated oil embargo by OPEC...

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
That was a coodinated oil embargo by OPEC...
Call it wot you like, y'all. It's a combination of crimes.

I see the dawning of a revolution and blood running in the streets up to your shoelaces.


:spank:

[FORD]

Originally posted by scamper
Did Carter fake a fuel shortage during his administration?

No, the BCE called in some favors from their Saudi friends as part of their efforts to make Carter look bad.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by FORD
No, the BCE called in some favors from their Saudi friends as part of their efforts to make Carter look bad.
Dat wuz then, dis is now..

Revol !


:spank:


REVOL

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by FORD
No, the BCE called in some favors from their Saudi friends as part of their efforts to make Carter look bad.

Fucking Dumb Fuck. Always a conspiracy.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Fucking Dumb Fuck. Always a conspiracy.

Do you still believe in the tooth fairy???

With all of the trillions of dollars involved in oil, and you think that the "invisible hand" determines a price from supply and demand??

You are a joke!

[Angel]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Fucking Dumb Fuck. Always a conspiracy.

Many conspiracy theories actually have merit:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/

[SNIPER]

Its fucking $2.60 a gallon for super in Boise. It costs me $40.00 to fill my CAR up!!

[Hardrock69]

Ok, time for a minor laff break. I got this in my email today.

Joke:

My wife asked me last night to take her someplace expensive.

So I took her to a gas station!

:D

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by SNIPER
Its fucking $2.60 a gallon for super in Boise. It costs me $40.00 to fill my CAR up!!

Cry, Cry, Cry

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Cry, Cry, Cry

STFU, you're one of the biggest babies in this forum...:rolleyes:

[Big Train]

I just filled up this morning in LA...$2.75 for REGULAR, $3.04 for super. Doesn't bother me..yet.

I still see it the way 4more does...it is a macroeconomic issue and it provides loads more opportunity than just disadvantage.

For example, I would think envoirnmentalists and alt. energy types would be like pigs in shit over this. What more could you do to create demand for alt. energy than to have a price for conventional fuels be far beyond what avg. Americans are willing to pay? You bio-diesel types should be absolutely ape shit over this..

Quick survey: With the prices what they are, and expected to continue to rise, would you consider retrofitting or purchasing a new vehicle that ran on something else for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of what you pay now?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
I just filled up this morning in LA...$2.75 for REGULAR, $3.04 for super. Doesn't bother me..yet.

It soon will. Plastic is made from petroleum by products isn't it? So when your employers raise the price of CD's up to $25 (and still blame poor sales on downloading) then it will affect you. The fact is, because everything used to ship goods requires petroluem based fuel, this oil company rape will fuck the entire economy, NOT just what comes out of your wallet at the local Chevron station.

I still see it the way 4more does...it is a macroeconomic issue and it provides loads more opportunity than just disadvantage.

Opportunity for WHOM? Granted, it IS a macroeconomic issue, as I just said, as the entire economy is tied to oil, in terms of shipping, and other factors such as plastics made from by-products. But who, outside of oil company shareholders and the BCE, is benefitting from this price gouging? If this insanity continues, it will lead to an economic crash which will make the depression of 1929 look like a Mormon church picnic by comparison.

For example, I would think envoirnmentalists and alt. energy types would be like pigs in shit over this. What more could you do to create demand for alt. energy than to have a price for conventional fuels be far beyond what avg. Americans are willing to pay? You bio-diesel types should be absolutely ape shit over this..

If the only thing affected was the price at the pump, it would be very tempting to think that way.

Quick survey: With the prices what they are, and expected to continue to rise, would you consider retrofitting or purchasing a new vehicle that ran on something else for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of what you pay now?

I intend to do exactly that when I purchase a new vehicle, hopefully this fall. Given my physical limitations (being over 6' tall) there are some current technologies which aren't practical for me, such as the current generation of hybrids. So if a truck with a diesel engine, running on biodiesel ends up being the solution, that works for me.

The city buses run on biodiesel here now, and it's made it a lot easier to hang around the bus station without the horrible smell of diesel exhaust.

[Big Train]

http://www.towerrecords.com/Music/Default.aspx?feature=New+Releases&&urlid=77033cb7073f1653a4

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=2UEDLOV2OYNDLKC4D3IFAFQ?id= cat02001&type=category&categoryRep=cat02000


http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/categorySpecial.do?catOid=-13220&N=20013218+20013220&c=1

Yea, look at ALL those $25 CD's....Please.

There is opportunity. Those you chose to see and those you don't. Your NOT a shareholder why...that IS opportunity.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
http://www.towerrecords.com/Music/Default.aspx?feature=New+Releases&&urlid=77033cb7073f1653a4

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=2UEDLOV2OYNDLKC4D3IFAFQ?id= cat02001&type=category&categoryRep=cat02000


http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/categorySpecial.do?catOid=-13220&N=20013218+20013220&c=1

Yea, look at ALL those $25 CD's....Please.

There is opportunity. Those you chose to see and those you don't. Your NOT a shareholder why...that IS opportunity.

Since we're sorta' back on the subject of music, I was wondering BT if you know anything regarding a new format to replace the CD?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
http://www.towerrecords.com/Music/Default.aspx?feature=New+Releases&&urlid=77033cb7073f1653a4

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=2UEDLOV2OYNDLKC4D3IFAFQ?id= cat02001&type=category&categoryRep=cat02000


http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/categorySpecial.do?catOid=-13220&N=20013218+20013220&c=1

Yea, look at ALL those $25 CD's....Please.

There is opportunity. Those you chose to see and those you don't. Your NOT a shareholder why...that IS opportunity.

The prices are already going up. The new Stones disc has an "official price" of $19.98 on it, and it's not even out until September 6. Now, obviously a lot of people won't actually pay that price for it. I certainly won't. But the bigwigs at EMI/Virgin think they can get away with that price tag.

As for the rest of the world going to Hell so oil company shareholders can have "opportuinities"... FUCK THAT.

The oil companies have made literally trillions of dollars, and for at least the last twenty five years, it hasn't been honestly. They don't deserve another damn dime, and I hope to Hell that there is some way to legally keep these fucking vampire bastards out of whatever technology eventually replaces fossil fuels.

Or we'll just have the same fucking bullshit over and over again, with only new scams tied to the new source of energy.

[scorpioboy33]

we're about 25% higher in canada!

[KiaSorento]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Ok, time for a minor laff break. I got this in my email today.

Joke:

My wife asked me last night to take her someplace expensive.

So I took her to a gas station!

:D

You think that's funny? Look at my penis in the mirror! Now that's much funnier! Not only that's why I don't go back to school and complete the third grade because I'm an imbred! Feed that little pea-sized dick of yours, right into my ass. I'm more HUNGRY FOR COCK than even JizzyStool!

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by KiaSorento
You think that's funny? Look at yourself in the mirror! Now that's much funnier! Not only that why don't you go back to school and complete the third grade you imbred! Feed that little pea-sized brain of yours.

Ford, any clue as to who this guy is? He's running around the entire board trying to be cool by insulting everybody.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by KiaSorento
You think that's funny? Look at yourself in the mirror! Now that's much funnier! Not only that why don't you go back to school and complete the third grade you imbred! Feed that little pea-sized brain of yours.

wow...that was so original.

I'm calling alias because for someone who just registered today, you really are up on running around insulting everybody.

[FORD]

He's not from San Diego, that's for damn sure.

Like most of our recent aliases, he's a Hoser. Missasaugua Ontario to be specific.

Like I said over in Fan Intro, I'm about to declare Jihad on these fucking aliases, and I'd recommend everyone else does the same.

Delete their stupid shit. Or have fun reinterpreting it ;)

[Big Train]

Ford,

That list price is as imaginary as it gets. EMI is still higher granted that Universal (which has had flat pricing around ten for a year and a half), WB or Sony. However, NOBODY pays that. It is there as a suggested retail price, then with all the price break considerations, it looks like people are getting a huge deal, when the basic price for music is now 10 bucks at the end of the day. You won't pay that and neither will the majority of the other customers. Your outrage is comical in this instance.

Dualdisc is what they are pushing right now Nick, as they have had some success with upper demo's in it (Judas Priest, Joe Perry). However, for kids I think it is digital and no real effort is being put into creating a new physical format. In fact, most of the labels have shed their physical distribution plants and now contract for the service.

As a side question Ford, and sort of a philosphical one, do you invest at all? If so, what kind of stuff do you currently own (can name industries, dont' need to mention specific companies if it is sensitive)?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
Ford,

That list price is as imaginary as it gets. EMI is still higher granted that Universal (which has had flat pricing around ten for a year and a half), WB or Sony. However, NOBODY pays that. It is there as a suggested retail price, then with all the price break considerations, it looks like people are getting a huge deal, when the basic price for music is now 10 bucks at the end of the day. You won't pay that and neither will the majority of the other customers. Your outrage is comical in this instance.

Dualdisc is what they are pushing right now Nick, as they have had some success with upper demo's in it (Judas Priest, Joe Perry). However, for kids I think it is digital and no real effort is being put into creating a new physical format. In fact, most of the labels have shed their physical distribution plants and now contract for the service.

As a side question Ford, and sort of a philosphical one, do you invest at all? If so, what kind of stuff do you currently own (can name industries, dont' need to mention specific companies if it is sensitive)?

I haven't played the market yet, so to speak. Sure I could buy Halliburton stock and make money, but I couldn't live with myself.

Actually, I wish I could find this old man that I talked to back in 93 or so. He could be dead by now for all I know. I was working for the local cable company at the time, and some how in talking to the guy we got on the subject of the stock market. This guy had invested in GE in early 1941. right before WWII. And GE being a big defense contractor... not to mention the introduction of TV after the war. He bought Boeing in the early 60's... right when their passenger aircraft and defense industries both took off. The guy's one regret was NOT buying Microsoft in the late 80's/early 90's whenever their IPO was.

I was impressed. So I asked the guy what he would invest in today (meaning 1993)

His answer: Health care. Of course this was when Hillary's plan was still front page news and it seemed like health care would have been reformed one way or another. But as we now know, that didn't happen.

So maybe the old man got one wrong....

Hell, if I were to invest today, it would have to be in something that I really believed would be a leading technology in the future. and one I wouldn't feel guilty buying into. (I.E. no defense contractors)

[FORD]

BTW, I think Dual Disc was a great idea. Got the new Springsteen album in that format. Actually haven't checked out the "bonus" stuff yet.

[Big Train]

THe old man was absolutely right. Healthcare is getting bigger and bigger as the boomers age. Drug Companies, Hospitals you name it. If he was telling you this in 93' then he had a great vision of the obvious and inevitable, which a lot of investors refuse to believe, even though it is logical and true.

Thanks for responding. So basically, if I understand you correctly, you need to invest only in companies with some sort of higher ethical standard? That doesn't leave a lot to invest in,but I suppose you could invest in things like Whole Foods and alt. energy concerns, while they are still owned by people who care. Make your money now.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Big Train
Ford,

That list price is as imaginary as it gets.

Really? I just refused to buy Physical Graffitti yesterday b/c the sticker price was $24.99 (and all of the Zep catalog was $19).

All of the Stones back catalog from Abkco is also 19 bucks. Fuckin' thievery.

As for not minding the price of gas yet, you will. With people having to spend more and more of their income on fuel, Joe Public will have less and less to spend on luxury items.

And not that I find music to be a luxury - I DON'T - I do have XM radio and can fill most of my music needs just tuning in.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by academic punk


And not that I find music to be a luxury - I DON'T - I do have XM radio and can fill most of my music needs just tuning in.

I know what you mean. I listen to Directv's music channels lately around the house more than anything. Fucking great diversity....

[FORD]

XM's got some great stuff. I was listening to a show with Rush playing some stuff acoustically last night. Similar to the VH1 Storytellers format, except they seem to concentrate on current material rather than dragging out all the hits.

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
STFU, you're one of the biggest babies in this forum...:rolleyes:

Nick my friend,

I have nothing to cry about. I think things are good.

:)

[Ally_Kat]

http://goodoldays.ytmnd.com/

thought you guys would like this