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  • LoungeMachine
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    Hagel says Iraq looking like Viet Nam

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    GOP Senator Says Iraq Looking Like Vietnam

    By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL
    The Associated Press
    Sunday, August 21, 2005; 6:36 PM

    WASHINGTON -- A leading Republican senator and prospective presidential candidate said Sunday that the war in Iraq has destabilized the Middle East and is looking more like the Vietnam conflict from a generation ago.

    Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who received two Purple Hearts and other military honors for his service in Vietnam, reiterated his position that the United States needs to develop a strategy to leave Iraq. Hagel scoffed at the idea that U.S. troops could be in Iraq four years from now at levels above 100,000, a contingency for which the Pentagon is preparing.



    U.S. troops patrol the road in Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005. Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army's top general, said Saturday the US Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of US soldiers in Iraq for four more years. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban) (Hadi Mizban - AP)
    "We should start figuring out how we get out of there," Hagel said on "This Week" on ABC. "But with this understanding, we cannot leave a vacuum that further destabilizes the Middle East. I think our involvement there has destabilized the Middle East. And the longer we stay there, I think the further destabilization will occur."

    Hagel said "stay the course" is not a policy. "By any standard, when you analyze 2 1/2 years in Iraq ... we're not winning," he said.

    President Bush was preparing for separate speeches this week to reaffirm his plan to help Iraq train its security forces while its leaders build a democratic government. In his weekly Saturday radio address, Bush said the fighting there protected Americans at home.

    Polls show the public growing more skeptical about Bush's handling of the war.

    In Iraq, officials continued to craft a new constitution in the face of a Monday night deadline for parliamentary approval. They missed the initial deadline last week.

    Other Republican senators appearing on Sunday news shows advocated remaining in Iraq until the mission set by Bush is completed, but they also noted that the public is becoming more and more concerned and needs to be reassured.

    Sen. George Allen, R-Va., another possible candidate for president in 2008, disagreed that the U.S. is losing in Iraq. He said a constitution guaranteeing basic freedoms would provide a rallying point for Iraqis.

    "I think this is a very crucial time for the future of Iraq," said Allen, also on ABC. "The terrorists don't have anything to win the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq. All they care to do is disrupt."

    Hagel, who was among those who advocated sending two to three times as many troops to Iraq when the war began in March 2003, said a stronger military presence by the U.S. is not the solution today.

    "We're past that stage now because now we are locked into a bogged-down problem not unsimilar, dissimilar to where we were in Vietnam," Hagel said. "The longer we stay, the more problems we're going to have."


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  • LoungeMachine
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    GOP Senator Says Iraq Looking Like Vietnam

    Allen said that unlike the communist-guided North Vietnamese who fought the U.S., the insurgents in Iraq have no guiding political philosophy or organization. Still, Hagel argued, the similarities are growing.

    "What I think the White House does not yet understand _ and some of my colleagues _ the dam has broke on this policy," Hagel said. "The longer we stay there, the more similarities (to Vietnam) are going to come together."



    U.S. troops patrol the road in Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005. Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army's top general, said Saturday the US Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of US soldiers in Iraq for four more years. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban) (Hadi Mizban - AP)
    The Army's top general, Gen. Peter Schoomaker, said Saturday in an interview with The Associated Press that the Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq _ well over 100,000 _ for four more years as part of preparations for a worst-case scenario.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said U.S. security is tied to success in Iraq, and he counseled people to be patient.

    "The worst-case scenario is not staying four years. The worst-case scenario is leaving a dysfunctional, repressive government behind that becomes part of the problem in the war on terror and not the solution," Graham said on "Fox News Sunday.

    Allen said the military would be strained at such levels in four years yet could handle that difficult assignment. Hagel described the Army contingency plan as "complete folly."

    "I don't know where he's going to get these troops," Hagel said. "There won't be any National Guard left ... no Army Reserve left ... there is no way America is going to have 100,000 troops in Iraq, nor should it, in four years."

    Hagel added: "It would bog us down, it would further destabilize the Middle East, it would give Iran more influence, it would hurt Israel, it would put our allies over there in Saudi Arabia and Jordan in a terrible position. It won't be four years. We need to be out."

    Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., said the U.S. is winning in Iraq but has "a way to go" before it meets its goals there. Meanwhile, more needs to be done to lay out the strategy, Lott said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

    "I do think we, the president, all of us need to do a better job, do more," Lott said, by telling people "why we have made this commitment, what is being done now, what we do expect in the process and, yes, why it's going to take more time."
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • FORD
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      #3
      Hagel seems down right sane compared to the BCE, but I can't really trust a guy who used to be the CEO of an electro-fraud voting machine company (ESS Systems)
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      • Warham
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        #4
        You wouldn't trust Mother Theresa.

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        • LoungeMachine
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          #5
          Originally posted by FORD
          Hagel seems down right sane compared to the BCE, but I can't really trust a guy who used to be the CEO of an electro-fraud voting machine company (ESS Systems)
          A Hagel / McCain ticket would cause me to switch parties at this point

          And Allen is just another Chimp-lite empty suit
          Originally posted by Kristy
          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
          Originally posted by cadaverdog
          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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          • LoungeMachine
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            #6
            Originally posted by Warham
            You wouldn't trust Mother Theresa.
            She was just another Liberal Bleeding heart pacifist
            Originally posted by Kristy
            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
            Originally posted by cadaverdog
            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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            • FORD
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              #7
              Originally posted by LoungeMachine
              A Hagel / McCain ticket would cause me to switch parties at this point

              If the competition was Hillary/Biden, Hagel & McCain might be the lesser of two evils (or at least the John McCain pre-2000 would be)

              And Allen is just another Chimp-lite empty suit
              True. Hell, he might even be dumber than Junior.
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              • Warham
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                #8
                Allen is my fave right now for the nomination.

                He actually suggested that Bush should meet with that squatter Sheehan, so I wouldn't give him too much flak just yet.

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                • LoungeMachine
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  True. Hell, he might even be dumber than Junior.
                  Dumber? Hell yes.

                  As devious, hypocritical, devoid of a soul, and sociopathic?

                  Nah.
                  Originally posted by Kristy
                  Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                  Originally posted by cadaverdog
                  I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                  • LoungeMachine
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Warham
                    Allen is my fave right now for the nomination.

                    Jesus Fucking Christ your standards are lower than snake piss

                    Dumb and Dumberer
                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • Warham
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                      #11
                      I like him. Classy chap. Has voted on everything like I prefer in my candidates.

                      McCain's a Democrat in disguise. Forget it.

                      Giuliani is the only other guy I would care to see get the nomination.

                      We need enough firepower to beat Hillary in '08, otherwise Bill will be First Lady again.

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                      • FORD
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Warham


                        Giuliani is the only other guy I would care to see get the nomination.


                        Rudy?? The pro-choicer who moved in with 2 gay guys when his wife booted him out of the mayor's mansion?
                        And you call McCain a "Democrat"

                        We need enough firepower to beat Hillary in '08, otherwise Bill will be First Lady again.
                        If Hillary's the nominee in 2008 don't even bother with a candidate. Nobody's gonna show up to vote anyway, and even if she wins, you'll have another corporatist neocon president.
                        Eat Us And Smile

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                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Warham
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                          #13
                          Rudy's flaw is that he's pro-choice. That's why I prefer Allen.

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                          • Phil theStalker
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                            Re: Hagel says Iraq looking like Viet Nam

                            Originally posted by LoungeMachine
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                            What's the difference between Bill Clinton, Jane Fonda and George Bush?


                            Jane Fonda is the only o1ne who went t2o Vietnam.


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                            • BigBadBrian
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                              Jesus Fucking Christ your standards are lower than snake piss

                              Dumb and Dumberer
                              I think your intent is to piss Warham off. Stop it and debate sensibly like I do...I never post inflammatory shit.

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