Is the BCE trying to ban ALL media from New Orleans?

[FORD]

BREAKING: Bush banning all media from New Orleans
by John in DC - 9/07/2005 03:07:00 PM

UPDATE: Will someone from the ACLU please contact me immediately about this. We need a lawsuit, now.

Bob Brigham has just reported - and this is why we need OUR folks on the ground, to report this stuff - the military is banning all reporters from New Orleans. Outrageous. If you kill a couple thousand people, you definitely want to keep the media and the public from finding out.

Bush is literally trying to hide the bodies. This is beyond outrageous.

They're trying to hide the bodies. Who the hell does Bush think he is? So much for the First Amendment, so much for the Constitution, so much for a democratic government.

Hey, Democrats, time to speak up LOUDLY. This is what military regimes do, what dictatorships do, it's not what democracies do. We don't hide our dead bodies in our to spare our leaders their well-due shame.

I hope the media is all over this.

As we already know, Bush is banning the media from taking any photos of the dead. So here's a thought:

Get a media helicopter, fly in, and let them shoot you down. Do you really think the Natl Guard is going to shoot down CNN? Especially if they have a few Democratic congressmen on board? Doubt it. And are they going to arrest those Democratic congressmen for taking photos of the recovery? Doubt it.

PS And Kyle is still on his way as our correspondent - we're not gonna let some petty dictator stop us.

Would they go this far? Some would say they have gone too far already?

[ELVIS]

No link ??

[diamondD]

Strap 'em down tight!

http://hallucinaut.com/foilhats/patshat01.jpg

[Warham]

Call the Al-Queda Civil Liberties Union now!

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
Bush is literally trying to hide the bodies. This is beyond outrageous.




I cannot believe you posted this garbage...:rolleyes:

[diamondD]

Why not?

[ELVIS]

Yea, I believe it...

[Warham]

Yeah, Bush is trying to hide the bodies from the 40,000 troops down there wading through the water.

[ELVIS]

I think it's 60,000 now...

[Warham]

It's preposterous no matter how many are down there.

This stuff is total garbage.

[ELVIS]

And FORD claims to not be a liar...:rolleyes:

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
And FORD claims to not be a liar...:rolleyes:

It's a fact that Chimp has forbidden any pictures of bodies (just like with the war).

So from there, is it much of a leap to suggest that the BCE would try to suppress ALL media coverage, perhaps so they can lower the body count.

Trust me, the BCE knows damn well that if more people died in New Orleans than at the World Trade Center, their propaganda machine is fucked forever. They will do whatever is "neccessary" to keep that number down, whether it's reality or not.

[ELVIS]

Yeah right...:rolleyes:

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
It's a fact that Chimp has forbidden any pictures of bodies (just like with the war).

So from there, is it much of a leap to suggest that the BCE would try to suppress ALL media coverage, perhaps so they can lower the body count.

Trust me, the BCE knows damn well that if more people died in New Orleans than at the World Trade Center, their propaganda machine is fucked forever. They will do whatever is "neccessary" to keep that number down, whether it's reality or not.

The public has already seen pictures of bodies floating in the river. It's never been forbidden. The reason they aren't shown on prime time TV is because some people are disturbed by looking at dead bodies.

The Democratic mayor and Governor have more to worry about than Bush does as far as the blame game goes, and the recent USA Today/Gallup poll appears to show that the public feels the same.

Besides, we've already been warned the death toll may exceed 10,000.

[Warham]

Only liberals would blame Bush for decades of ill-preparedness in New Orleans, thanks to the Democrats who have run the city for at least the last fifty years.

[ELVIS]

..and only 13% of the public blame Bush, despite the Left's attempt to point the finger at the president...

Hahaha...


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Warham
Only liberals would blame Bush for decades of ill-preparedness in New Orleans, thanks to the Democrats who have run the city for at least the last fifty years.

What's that you say ??

Democrats ??


Oh my!


:elvis:

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
It's a fact that Chimp has forbidden any pictures of bodies (just like with the war).


Is that so? I haven't read that anywhere.

[Warham]

Here we see the Left's self-destructive agenda surfacing again.

[Angel]

Originally posted by FORD
It's a fact that Chimp has forbidden any pictures of bodies (just like with the war).

Canadian media was all over it this morning FORD. Lisa LaFlamme reported directly from NO this am. She said they were not being allowed in the area where the bodies were. They were told that it was because they didn't want to cause indignities to the bodies (having them filmed). She even stated how ridiculous that was, as they've been filming bodies floating all week long, and she compared it to how coffins of US Soldiers cannot be photo'd either.

FORD is reporting the truth folks...

[DrMaddVibe]

Too late for pictures.

Michael Moo-re ate all of the bodies!

You'll have to follow Moo-re around with a pooper scooper if you want your pictures.

Who the fuck wants to see dead bodies anyways?

[Nickdfresh]

I've seen plenty of the dead (from a distance or covered by tarps) on media coverage, so I really don't get this issue...

If you really need to see the N.O. dead, then go to www.ogrish.com It's really sad actually.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe

Who the fuck wants to see dead bodies anyways?

You do as long as they're Indonesian you hypocritical cunt...

[flatbroke]

Article off Drudge Website By Michael Goodwin:


Don't blame only feds

Crime rate, inept pols leveled New Orleans before the storm

Let's take a break from the joy of Bush bashing to reveal the dirty little secret of New Orleans: Its local government deserves an F for its planning and response to Katrina. And one other thing: The New Orleans police force would be a joke if it weren't a disgrace.
Yes, I know it's impolitic to say such things while the suffering in the Big Easy is fresh and many cops risked their lives to save others. But now is the time to blow the whistle on the story line being repeated by rote across America: That the federal government ignored New Orleans because most of its residents are black and poor.

That narrative has all the accuracy of a historic novel: it takes two undisputed facts - the feds were slow and New Orleans is largely black and poor - and weaves in pure fiction to make the desired link.

The charge of racism-inspired foot-dragging isn't just nonsense. It's pernicious nonsense, as in destructive and malicious. You know that's a fact because loony Howard Dean, the Democratic Party boss, is now peddling it. He's joined by Jesse Jackson, who said the squalor in New Orleans "looks like the hull of a slave ship." Oh, please.

If even a smidgen of the racism charges are true, President Bush should be shot. But before we give him his blindfold, let's look at New Orleans before Katrina.

Start with crime. That looters ran unchecked after the hurricane isn't surprising when you consider that criminals have had the run of the city for years.

It is a perennial contender for Murder Capital. The 264 homicides last year were a drop of only 11 from 2003 - and the first decline in five years.

New Orleans, with fewer than 500,000 people, had almost half the murders of New York, which had 570 homicides last year in a city of more than 8 million. Put another way, if New York had New Orleans' murder rate, we would have more than 4,200 murders a year.

That the New Orleans police are hardly the Finest was proven by a shocking report yesterday: Nearly a third of New Orleans cops - some 500 of the 1,600 - are now unaccounted for. The department says some quit, but it doesn't know where most of them are.

The top cop, Eddie Compass, has responded by offering all officers paid vacations to Las Vegas and Atlanta. Yes, that's right - he is pulling all cops off the street, even while bodies lie in the open. Never in New York.

Then there's Mayor Ray Nagin, a Democrat, who has blamed everybody but himself. Maybe he has forgotten his plans for dealing with Katrina.

Last July, his office prepared DVDs warning that, if the city ever had to be evacuated, residents were on their own. According toa July 24 article in The Times-Picayune (spotted by the Web's Drudge Report), "Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation."

"You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you," one official said of the message.

And how's this for preparation? Cops were told not to work on the day Katrina hit, one officer told The New York Times, but "to come in the next day, to save money on their budget."

By all means, let's investigate what went wrong in New Orleans. Let's start in City Hall.

Originally published on September 7, 2005

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah, "don't blame the FEDs." ooohhh nooooo, wouldn't want to blame the fucking Federal gov't for taking four days for getting into New Orleans when Walmart and the media were in there the next day....

[ELVIS]

Good post, flat...


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Yeah, "don't blame the FEDs." ooohhh nooooo, wouldn't want to blame the fucking Federal gov't for taking four days for getting into New Orleans when Walmart and the media were in there the next day....


Nick, If Clinton were still in office the response on the part of the feds would be nearly identical, and you wouldn't be saying shit...

C'mon...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Nick, If Clinton were still in office the response on the part of the feds would be nearly identical, and you wouldn't be saying shit...

C'mon...

I guess you missed this story ELVIS...


Originally posted by Nickdfresh
September 5, 2005

Why FEMA Was Missing in Action
Most of the agency's preparedness budget and focus are related to terrorism, not disasters.

By Peter G. Gosselin and Alan C. Miller, Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fema5sep05,1,2869010,full.story) Staff Writers

WASHINGTON — While the federal government has spent much of the last quarter-century trimming the safety nets it provides Americans, it has dramatically expanded its promise of protection in one area — disaster.

Since the 1970s, Washington has emerged as the insurer of last resort against floods, fires, earthquakes and — after 2001 — terrorist attacks.

But the government's stumbling response to the storm that devastated the nation's Gulf Coast reveals that the federal agency singularly most responsible for making good on Washington's expanded promise has been hobbled by cutbacks and a bureaucratic downgrading.

...

But according to a variety of former officials and outside experts, the agency experienced a renaissance under President Clinton's director, James Lee Witt, speedily responding to the 1993 Mississippi flood, the 1994 Northridge earthquake and other disasters.

Witt's biggest change was to get FEMA to focus on reducing risks ahead of disasters and funding local prevention programs.

After the 1993 flood, for instance, Witt's agency bought homes and businesses nearest the water and moved their occupants to safer locations. The result in one Illinois town was that although more than 400 people applied for disaster aid after the flood, only 11 needed to apply two years later when the river again jumped its banks.

"He got communities to take practical steps like encouraging homeowners to bolt buildings to foundations in earthquake-prone areas and elevate living space in flood-prone ones," said Howard Kunreuther, co-director of the Wharton Risk Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

But with the change of administration in 2001, many of Witt's prevention programs were reduced or cut entirely. After Sept. 11, former FEMA officials and outside authorities said, Washington's attention turned to terrorism to the exclusion of almost anything else.

Times staff writer Judy Pasternak contributed to this report

BTW, the current guy heading FEMA (Mike "fawn staring into headlights" BROWN) that BUSH hired was fired from his only other major job, as a horse show manager...

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26891

[stilleddiesangel]

From what I can gather the Feds had to be invited in by the Gov. And when they were, Brown hadn't a clue what was needed where.

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Nick, If Clinton were still in office the response on the part of the feds would be nearly identical, and you wouldn't be saying shit...

C'mon...

Not so. Under the Clinton administration, FEMA actually functioned correctly.

Posted on Fri, Sep. 02, 2005



Slow response bewilders former FEMA officials

BY FRANK JAMES AND ANDREW MARTIN

Chicago Tribune

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - Government disaster officials had an action plan if a major hurricane hit New Orleans. They simply didn't execute it when Hurricane Katrina struck.

Thirteen months before Katrina hit New Orleans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill that Ronald Castleman, then the regional director for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, called "a very good exercise."

More than a million residents were "evacuated" in the tabletop scenario as 120-mile-an-hour winds and 20 inches of rain caused widespread flooding that supposedly trapped 300,000 people in the city.

"It was very much an eye-opener," said Castleman, a Republican appointee of President Bush who left FEMA in December for the private sector. "A number of things were identified that we had to deal with, not all of them were solved."

Still, Castleman found it hard to square the lessons he and others learned from the exercise with the frustratingly slow response to the disaster that has unfolded in the wake of Katrina. From the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans to the Mississippi and Alabama communities along the Gulf Coast, hurricane survivors have decried the lack of water, food or security and the slowness of the federal relief efforts.

"It's hard for everyone to understand why buttons weren't pushed earlier on," Castleman said of the federal response.

As the first National Guard truck caravans of water and food arrived in New Orleans Friday, former FEMA officials and other disaster experts were at a loss to explain why the federal government's lead agency for responding to major emergencies had failed to meet the urgent needs of hundreds of thousands of Americans in the most dire of circumstances in a more timely fashion.

But many suspected that FEMA's apparent problems in getting life-sustaining supplies to survivors and buses to evacuate them from New Orleans, delays even President Bush called "not acceptable," stemmed partly from changes at the agency during the Bush years. Experts have long warned that the moves would weaken the agency's ability to effectively respond to natural disasters.

FEMA's chief has been demoted from a near-Cabinet-level position; political appointees with little, if any, emergency-management experience have been placed in senior FEMA positions; and the small, 2,500-person agency was dropped into the midst of the 180,000-employee Homeland Security Department that is more oriented to combating terrorism than natural disasters. All this has led to a brain drain as experienced but demoralized employees have left the agency, former and current FEMA staff members say.

The result is that an agency that got high marks during much of the 1990s for its effectiveness is being harshly criticized for apparently mismanaging the response to the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

The growing anger and frustration at FEMA's response sparked the Republican-controlled Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee to announce Friday that it has scheduled a hearing for Wednesday to try to uncover what went wrong.

Meanwhile, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) called on President Bush to immediately appoint a Cabinet-level official to direct the national response.

"There was a time when FEMA understood that the correct approach to a crisis was to deploy to the affected area as many resources as possible as fast as possible," Landrieu said. "Unfortunately, that no longer seems to be their approach."

John Copenhaver, a former FEMA regional director during the Clinton administration who led the response to Hurricane Floyd in 1999, said he was bewildered by the slow FEMA response.

It had been standard practice for FEMA to position supplies ahead of time, and the agency did pre-position drinking water and tarps to cover damaged roofs near where they would be needed. In addition, FEMA has coordinated its plans with state and local officials and let the Defense Department know beforehand what type of military assistance would be needed.

"I'm a little confused as to why it took so long to get the military presence running convoys into downtown New Orleans," Copenhaver said.

And there isn't an experienced disaster-response expert at the top of the agency as there was when James Lee Witt ran the agency during the 1990s. Before Michael Brown, the current head, joined the agency as its legal counsel, he headed the International Arabian Horse Association.

That loss of experienced personnel might explain in part why FEMA wasn't able to secure buses sooner for the mass evacuation of New Orleans, a step anticipated by the hurricane disaster simulation conducted by federal, state and local emergency officials last year.

Peter Pantuso, president and chief executive of the American Bus Association, said, "I have a hard time believing there is any game plan in place when it comes to coordinating or pulling together this volume of business," referring to FEMA's effort to obtain hundreds of buses to move tens of thousands of evacuees from New Orleans. "And what happens in two or three weeks down the road when all of these people are moved again?"

When FEMA became part of the Homeland Security Department, it was stripped of some of its functions, such as some of its ability to make preparedness grants to states, former officials said. Those functions were placed elsewhere in the larger agency.

"After Sept. 11 they got so focused on terrorism they effectively marginalized the capability of FEMA ...," said George Haddow, a former FEMA official during the Clinton administration. "It's no surprise that they're not capable of managing the federal government's response to this kind of disaster."

Pleasant Mann, former head of the union for FEMA employees, who has been with the agency since 1988, said a change made by agency higher-ups last year added a bureaucratic layer that likely delayed FEMA's response to Katrina.

Before the change, a FEMA employee on site at a disaster could request that an experienced employee he knew had the right skills be dispatched to help him. But now that requested worker is first made to travel to a location hundreds of miles from the disaster site to be "processed," placed in a pool from which he is dispatched, sometimes to a place different from where he thought he was headed.

Pleasant said he knew of a case where a worker from Washington State was made to first travel to Orlando before he could go to Louisiana, losing at least a day. What's more, that worker was told he might be sent to Alabama, not Louisiana, after all.

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© 2005, Chicago Tribune.

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[ELVIS]

Originally posted by stilleddiesangel
From what I can gather the Feds had to be invited in by the Gov. And when they were, Brown hadn't a clue what was needed where.

That is true, as far as I have heard...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD

[b]Meanwhile, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) called on President Bush to immediately appoint a Cabinet-level official to direct the national response.



The directors of whatever "national response" are the local leaders, such as herself and Nagin...

[ELVIS]

I do, however, put some blame on the FEMA director, whatever his name is...

[stilleddiesangel]

And I also gather that Brown doesn't really have the best qualifications for the position. Which astounds me as he has been put in charge of saving the lives of the citizens of the most powerful nation in the world in a disaster situation.

[stilleddiesangel]

I gather Brown was fired from his previous position as administrator of a horse association!!!! WTF??????

[ELVIS]

That's his name, Brown ??

[stilleddiesangel]

Thats right.. and this dude had to be told by reporters that the Convention Centre was being used as a shelter and that people were dying there from lack of food, water and medication.. they had nothing for over 4 days. He admited on national tv that he didn;t know the CC was a shelter.

[ELVIS]

Yeah, I saw that. I live in the greater new Orleans area. The TV and radio coverage here is incredible...

[stilleddiesangel]

Bless you babe, hope all is ok with you and your family down there.

[ELVIS]

Doing fine...


Thanks!



:elvis:

[stilleddiesangel]

Thats good to hear. Anyway from what I can gather from CNN and Fox, there are arses to be kicked all the way thru the chain of authorities. From the mayor to the top man.

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You do as long as they're Indonesian you hypocritical cunt...

That's rich, lil nickeroo!

You whimpered like a little bitch baby at the fucking tsunami victims while America got pounded by 4 hurricanes.

Your response to the hurricanes...fuck 'em...they're Florida crackers. Then you had your ass buddy Ford erase the thread!

You 2 are the hypocrites.

Anything to kick the US down.

[FORD]

AssVibe, I think you and Elvis should step away from the computer for a while. Go to a Klan meeting together. That way he can get the N word out of his system, and you can vent about how only white rich fucks in the most corrupt state in the Union deserve any federal aid.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
That's rich, lil nickeroo!

You whimpered like a little bitch baby at the fucking tsunami victims while America got pounded by 4 hurricanes.

Your response to the hurricanes...fuck 'em...they're Florida crackers. Then you had your ass buddy Ford erase the thread!

You 2 are the hypocrites.

Anything to kick the US down.

No douche tube, I posted a charity link and you cried whined, and bitched about it and spammed it to no end....

Then you gloated over the 100's of thousands killed. You're just a typical white trash narcissist. I don't really blame you....

[ELVIS]

A Klan meeting ??

Fuck you!

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by FORD
AssVibe, I think you and Elvis should step away from the computer for a while. Go to a Klan meeting together. That way he can get the N word out of his system, and you can vent about how only white rich fucks in the most corrupt state in the Union deserve any federal aid.

Truth hurts?

[DrMaddVibe]

As far as nickeroo...here's some of the "people" you were blubbering over.

Remember this one? Defend THIS! Commie douchebag!

You probably cheered on 9-11 too.