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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
    • 32555

    President to have Power for PRE-EMPTIVE use of Nuclear Weapons

    September 12, 2005

    WMD threat could spark American nuclear strike
    From Giles Whittell in Washington



    A PRESIDENT of the United States would be able to launch pre-emptive nuclear strikes against enemies planning to use weapons of mass destruction under a revised “nuclear operations” doctrine to be signed in the next few weeks.
    In a significant shift after half a century of nuclear deterrence based on the threat of massive retaliation, the revised doctrine would allow pre-emptive strikes against states or terror groups, and to destroy chemical and biological weapons stockpiles.



    Presidential approval would still be required for any nuclear strike, but the updated document, the existence of which was confirmed by the Pentagon at the weekend, emphasises the need for the US to adapt to a world of worsening proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in which deterrence might fail. In that event, it states, “the United States must be prepared to use nuclear weapons if necessary”.

    The Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations, last revised ten years ago, extends President Bush’s doctrine of pre-emptive war to cover a US nuclear arsenal that is expected to shrink to between 1,700 and 2,200 warheads by 2012.

    It was drafted by the Pentagon in March and posted on the internet, but did not attract widespread attention until a report on it in The Washington Post yesterday. It has since been removed from the Department of Defence website.

    It came to light as Iran insisted, in defiance of the European Union, that it would continue processing uranium at its Isfahan reactor. The US has called on the UN Security Council to impose sanctions on Tehran for failing to shelve its nuclear programme.

    Referring repeatedly to “non-state actors” — parlance for terrorists — the doctrine is designed to arm the White House and US forces with a new range of threats and sanctions to counter the situation of threatened nuclear attack by al-Qaeda or one of its affiliates.

    The document’s key phrase appears in a list of pre-emptive nuclear strike scenarios, the first of which is against an enemy using “or intending to use WMD”.

    Elsewhere it states that “deterrence of potential adversary WMD use requires the potential adversary leadership to believe that the United States has both the ability and will to pre-empt or retaliate promptly with responses that are credible and effective”.

    The 1995 version of the doctrine contained no mention of pre-emption or WMD as legitimate nuclear targets.
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
    • 32555

    #2
    Sorry, link:


    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • LoungeMachine
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      • Jul 2004
      • 32555

      #3
      Shit, dupe

      Turk beat me to it.

      Close 'er up, FORD
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • Phil theStalker
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        • Jan 2004
        • 3804

        #4
        Originally posted by LoungeMachine
        Shit, dupe

        Turk beat me to it.

        Close 'er up, FORD
        Look, you have prostate cancer or something. Get that surgery.

        THE U.S. HAS ALWAYS HAD A FIRST USE OF NUKES DOCTRINE.

        And what are depleted uranium weapons? huh

        The U.S. has and is using "nukes" called Bunker Busters.

        Y'know, it's all how THEY say it and what THEY call it.

        This article and events is NON-news news.

        Good luck with the surgery and don't worry about being infertile after the operation. There are t2oo many people already.


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        • Nitro Express
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          • Aug 2004
          • 32797

          #5
          No, the bunker buster bombs are fuel-air bombs that have the power of a small nuke. Basically, their are a huge ass propane bomb and they only are effective in the right wind and atmospheric conditions. THEY ARE NOT NUCLEAR WEAPONS! The only nuclear weapons ever used in a war were the ones dropped on Japan at the end of WWII. Many weapons have been tested.

          The United States has maintained first strike capability as it's main deterent. We were always ahead of the Russians on this. It was good doctrine to use on a country that didn't want to get into a nuclear war anymore than we did and it kept the peace for sevral decades.

          The problem with Islamic states having nukes is they don't care if they die. In fact, low tech high casualty delivery is their game. Kamakaze nukes.

          We are in very dangerouse territory my friends.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • Phil theStalker
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            • Jan 2004
            • 3804

            #6
            Originally posted by Nitro Express
            No, the bunker buster bombs are fuel-air bombs that have the power of a small nuke. Basically, their are a huge ass propane bomb and they only are effective in the right wind and atmospheric conditions. THEY ARE NOT NUCLEAR WEAPONS!
            Bunker Busters use depleted URANIUM and are RADIOACTIVE.

            YOUR definition of a "nuke" is only something that makes a mushroom cloud.

            WRONG.

            That why I say "it's all how THEY say it."

            And they've got you FOOLED, but not the UN.

            The UN classifies bunker busters as nuclear weapons and all depleted uranium weapons are classed by the UN as nuclear weapons and guess what else.

            THEY'RE ILLEGAL to use like agent orange, but you're paying your taxes oblivious and in denial that a dirty nuke or a bunker buster is a nuclear weapon ("It didn't make a big boom and mushroom cloud).

            Or that your government is using them.

            Or that your government is using them on people.

            You're in total denial.

            You're oblivious.

            Do you know how I can prove you're wrong to do that?

            Because you call a conventional explosive bomb that spreads radioactive material as a "dirty nuke."

            There you go.

            A Bunker Buster is a "Dirty NUKE."

            Now that I've taught you that today, what are you going to do about it?

            Tell your parents, tell your friends, tell everybody what you learned in school t2oday.

            Bunker busters with depleted uranium warheads are nukes.

            That's what you learned.

            Thanks f4or coming and putting in your opinion.


            Last edited by Phil theStalker; 09-12-2005, 09:23 AM.
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            • FORD
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              • Jan 2004
              • 58760

              #7
              Re-opened because of existing responses.
              Last edited by FORD; 09-12-2005, 01:59 PM.
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              • FORD
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                • Jan 2004
                • 58760

                #8
                Originally posted by blueturk in another thread.....



                In a move that will surely scare the shit out of any countries with leaders that Dubya has a grudge against, The Pentagon has drawn up a new plan that would allow the USA to make first use of nukes to thwart a WMD attack against us. This is a troubling development, based on Dubya's inclination to dream up WMD's when needed...

                "See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." —George W. Bush, Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003



                Pre-emptive strike part of nuke plan
                Draft of Pentagon proposal includes option to destroy weapons or block a possible attack.

                WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon has drafted a revised doctrine for the use of nuclear weapons that envisions commanders requesting presidential approval to pre-empt an attack by a nation or terror group using weapons of mass destruction. The draft also includes the option of using nuclear arms to destroy known enemy stockpiles of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

                The document, written by the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs staff but not yet approved by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, would update rules and procedures governing the use of nuclear weapons to reflect a pre-emption strategy announced by the Bush White House in December 2002. The strategy was outlined in more detail at the time in classified national security directives.

                At a White House briefing that year, a spokesman said the United States would "respond with overwhelming force" to the use of weapons of mass destruction against the United States, its forces or allies, and said "all options" would be available to the president.

                The draft, dated March 15, would provide authoritative guidance for commanders to request presidential approval for using nuclear weapons, and represents the Pentagon's first attempt to revise procedures to reflect the Bush pre-emption doctrine.

                Titled "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations" and written under the direction of Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the draft document is is expected to be signed within a few weeks by Air Force Lt. Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, director of the Joint Staff, according to Navy Cmdr. Dawn Cutler, a public affairs officer in Myers' office. Meanwhile, the draft is going through final coordination with the military services, the combatant commanders, Pentagon legal authorities and Rumsfeld's office, Cutler said in a written statement.

                Its existence was initially reported by The Washington Post in today's editions, which said the document was posted on a Pentagon Internet site and was pointed out to the paper by a consultant for the Natural Resorces Defense Council.

                The file was not available at that site Saturday evening, but a copy was available at www.global security.org.

                The first example for potential nuclear weapon use listed in the draft is against an enemy that is using "or intending to use WMD" against U.S. or allied, multinational military forces or civilian populations.

                Another scenario for a possible nuclear pre-emptive strike is in case of an "imminent attack from adversary biological weapons that only effects from nuclear weapons can safely destroy."

                That and other provisions in the document appear to refer to nuclear initiatives proposed by the administration that Congress has thus far declined to fully support.

                Last year, for example, Congress refused to fund research toward development of nuclear weapons that could destroy biological or chemical weapons materials without dispersing them into the atmosphere.
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                • Phil theStalker
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                  • Jan 2004
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                  Shit, dupe

                  Turk beat me to it.

                  Close 'er up, FORD
                  SHIT!

                  Watch out what you ask FORD f4or, LM.

                  He'll do it without any seCUNT thought (and I think sometimes he likes t2o, y'know, drink)!

                  Take it step by step.

                  Where's the FIRE?


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                  • Seshmeister
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                    • Oct 2003
                    • 35163

                    #10
                    Thank fuck that stupid fucking chimp wasn't around during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

                    Can you imagine...?

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                    • FORD
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                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58760

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Seshmeister
                      Thank fuck that stupid fucking chimp wasn't around during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

                      Can you imagine...?
                      I have before, and it's a truly frightening thought. Especially given the Bush family obsession with Cuba.
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                      • Phil theStalker
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                        • Jan 2004
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        Thank fuck that stupid fucking chimp wasn't around during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

                        Can you imagine...?
                        NIXON was their man for their plan and Kennedy sneaked into the White House due to his TV debates.

                        That was then, this is now.

                        And, you don't have to imagine anything, it's REAL.

                        We're already in the TWILIGHT ZONE.


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                        • ODShowtime
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                          • Jun 2004
                          • 5812

                          #13
                          Another scenario for a possible nuclear pre-emptive strike is in case of an "imminent attack from adversary biological weapons that only effects from nuclear weapons can safely destroy."
                          Ok, I'd like a little more information on this one please.
                          gnaw on it

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                          • Little Texan
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                            • Jan 2004
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                            #14
                            Bush with his finger on the nuclear button is a scary thought. Brings to mind that old Genesis video from the 80's with the claymation figures of Reagan, etc.

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                            • FORD
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                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58760

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Little Texan
                              Bush with his finger on the nuclear button is a scary thought. Brings to mind that old Genesis video from the 80's with the claymation figures of Reagan, etc.
                              Yeah, I almost wish Genesis would get back together, just so they could update that video for this decade.
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