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  • DR CHIP
    Foot Soldier
    • Jan 2004
    • 618

    Great Read

    Jack Kelly: No shame
    The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed
    Sunday, September 11, 2005

    It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow.


    Jack Kelly is national security writer for the Post-Gazette and The Blade of Toledo, Ohio (jkelly@post-gazette.com, 412-263-1476).

    "Mr. Bush's performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom.

    But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth.

    Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that:

    "The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne."

    For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 2002. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.

    Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.

    So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

    I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week:

    More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters.

    The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans.

    Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees.

    Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought:

    "We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering.

    "The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.

    "You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.

    "No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."

    "You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.

    Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately.

    Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.

    And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.

    Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome.

    The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me.

    A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58786

    #2
    Post-gazzette?

    As in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazzette? Owned by infamous anti-American fascist traitor coward piece of shit Richard Mellonhead-Scaife?

    The asshole who makes Moonies look credible?

    Jack is full of shit. The levee broke Monday morning, not Tuesday. That one fact renders the rest of his article totally useless.
    Eat Us And Smile

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    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • steve
      Sniper
      • Feb 2004
      • 841

      #3

      MOONIES!

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      • DrMaddVibe
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2004
        • 6682

        #4
        Hard to argue with the facts of this article.

        The response was fitting. The local and state governments was not.

        I'd be willing to stake that they wanted Bush to supercede them and put federal troops on the ground without consent...that way they could carry on like Ford does here.
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        • DrMaddVibe
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6682

          #5
          Originally posted by FORD

          Jack is full of shit. The levee broke Monday morning, not Tuesday. That one fact renders the rest of his article totally useless.
          It crested Monday. It broke Tuesday.
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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49205

            #6
            Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
            Hard to argue with the facts of this article.

            ...
            Except that FORD pointed out that they key "fact" is wrong.

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            • scamper
              Commando
              • May 2005
              • 1073

              #7
              Just curious, is it the federal govenments responsibility to evacuate a major citiy before a catastrophie (if possible) and then initiate rescues in the aftermath, or is it a city/state issue?

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              • DR CHIP
                Foot Soldier
                • Jan 2004
                • 618

                #8
                Originally posted by scamper
                Just curious, is it the federal govenments responsibility to evacuate a major citiy before a catastrophie (if possible) and then initiate rescues in the aftermath, or is it a city/state issue?
                Local, state, then federal is the process....

                This is NOT a Bush thing, this is two Democrats (the Mayor and Governor) simply not doing what they should have...

                The media spun to us thousands dead, CNN wanted people to appear emotional, etc.....

                WAKE UP America, the liberal elite are ruining our country by convincing the mases that the Gov't should take care of everything...

                Personal responsibility is the issue...no one should have stayed in NO and they are lucky we have a Gov't that will help...

                The Dmocrats by-in-large are inept and all they do is blame the Republicans...

                To think that Bush doesn't care about the suffering in NO is ridiculous, but the Dem spin machine will use anything for its advantage....

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                • DR CHIP
                  Foot Soldier
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 618

                  #9
                  Sorry but I am plain tired of working my ass off to pay for people who consistently make wrong choices to be bailed out by the Federal Gov't....

                  Call me an asshole or insensitive, but I really do not have a heavy heart for the majority of people in NO because they should have got out...and I don't want to hear that they were so poor they needed the Gov't to step in...

                  When a tiger is chasing my ass in the jungle, I don't expect the Gov't to come along with a truck to pick me up...I simply run...

                  They had time to get out and they decided not to...many are lucky to be alive...

                  AND nobody in this country needs to be poor...you could take everything from me and I will still get a job, own a house, and save money...I have NO place in my heart for the lazy poor...

                  Now show me a retarded person, or a sincerely handicapped person, and I am ALL in for helping them out...but lazy people who can work but choose to live off the Gov't I have no sympathy for...

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                  • Satan
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6664

                    #10
                    Chip, what does FEMA stand for?

                    FEDERAL
                    EMERGENCY
                    MANAGEMENT
                    SYSTEM

                    This is why it exists. No city has the resources to take care of a devastating hurricane like that.

                    More could have been done on the state level, but that would have required the presence of the National Guard. And as we all know, they are being misused by the BCE on the other side of the fucking planet.

                    In any case, once the governor requests a "state of emergency", the responsibility goes to FEMA. According to the BCE's own records, the federal government accepted that responsibility on August 26, 2005. That was Friday. They had all weekend to station a response to New Orleans before the damage was even done. Hell, they might have even tried to come up with some way of fortifying the levee temporarily. Instead they did nothing. And even AFTER all Hell broke loose, it STILL took them another 4 days to get there.

                    It's unacceptable, and the buck stops with Junior because it became his responsibility on Friday 8/26/05.
                    Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

                    Originally posted by Sockfucker
                    I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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                    • scamper
                      Commando
                      • May 2005
                      • 1073

                      #11
                      Once a "state of emergency" is declared the city and state no longer have any responsibility?

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