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  • Terry
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 11961

    What's in a name?

    Van Halen ceased to be years ago. Van Halen always was Roth, Ed, Al and Mike.

    The four people going out on the road this spring under the name Van Halen are Van Halen in name only. The same was true in 1986, and 1998, and it stands today.

    There are plenty who want to see Eddie play under any circumstances. Easily understood. Explains why Halen had a lot of initial success in the mid 80s after Roth left. But you Eddie grunts and Red Troll lovers will always have to live with the fact that Van Halen Mach 2 inherited most of that success off the back of the original, classic lineup and proceeded to slowly piss it away.

    Before Sammy starts in with his fried cheese platter full of bullshit at the first press conference and the Eddie lovers lap it up let's get the record straight from the outset:

    a) Halen's record sales dwindled from an all time high off the 1984 album to slightly over two million by the time Balance was released.
    b) The biggest publicity boost Van Halen got aside from Roth's departure in 1985 was Roth's temporary reunion in 1996.
    c) Sammy Hagar's version of Van Halen has sold half of the what the classic lineup did.
    d) Sam Halen did not sell 60 million records.
    e) Roth was the one who had the balls to go out under his own name after the 1985 split, and was doing so with original solo material long before his present incarnation of the Van Halen tribute show featuring David Lee Roth. He could have kept the name Van Halen, had just as much right to as Ed, Al and Mike (maybe even more so since he was the one that gave the band that name in the first place), but he always gets the nod from me for not taking the easy road.
    f) Van Halen's biggest concert in terms of attendance was the 1983 US Festival

    In terms of Sam and Eddie fans giving Roth diehards shit for not accepting this sham version of Van Halen heading out on the road, let me remind you that you are on a site dedicated to the classic lineup of Van Halen and David Lee Roth. Sam wasn't in that classic lineup, and will always be remembered as "the first guy who attempted to replace Roth on vocals". Remember where you are when you come here telling us how your love for Sam Halen is driving you crazy, and stop bitching and moaning when you get slapped down to size.

    Finally, if Halen is going to put out a Best Of Vol 2, how about releasing the following on a Best of Vol 2 video companion:

    Promo 'live' lip-synch videos for Running With The Devil, You Really Got Me and Jamie's Crying from the late 1970s
    Live Don Kirschner's Rock Concert series vids for You're No Good, Dance the Night Away and Bottom's Up! from 1979
    " " Hear About It Later,
    Unchanied and So This Is Love? from 1981
    Pretty Woman promo vid

    I only ask because they gave the classic era a shafting with the Best of Vol 1 vid, giving us only Jump, Panama and Hot For Teacher then following that with more Sam Halen vids than I thought even existed.

    Hey, Ed! Better yet, give us a DVD of Oakland 1981 in it's entirety.

    Dave, don't give this Mach 2 reunion biz a second thought. Van Halen has been washed up for longer than even you might care to admit. Just sit back and laugh with the rest of us. As Ed said in 1996, some things are better left to memory. I, for one, am glad you're not getting back together with the Lying Dutchmen and Nyuck Nyuck the bass player. Those three would have dragged you down the tubes and tarnished the legend.
    Scramby eggs and bacon.
  • tjvhou812
    Full Member Status

    • Mar 2004
    • 4216

    #2
    remember 1 thing, dave walked out on vh in 85, so as far as the name goes ed al and mike had the right to the name.

    and just becuase dave's not in the band doesnt mean they dont have the right to use it.

    thats like sayin acdc should have changed there name, or black sabbath
    Originally posted by RIKK

    Now, tj was indeed a major cunt. Indeed, he probably still is.

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    • nutts
      Groupie
      • Jan 2004
      • 67

      #3
      I wish they had.
      GO!

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      • tjvhou812
        Full Member Status

        • Mar 2004
        • 4216

        #4
        Originally posted by nutts
        I wish they had.
        well thats you
        Originally posted by RIKK

        Now, tj was indeed a major cunt. Indeed, he probably still is.

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35197

          #5
          Originally posted by tjvhou812
          remember 1 thing, dave walked out on vh in 85, so as far as the name goes ed al and mike had the right to the name.

          and just becuase dave's not in the band doesnt mean they dont have the right to use it.

          thats like sayin acdc should have changed there name, or black sabbath
          No it's like Axl Rose keeping the Guns N Roses name.

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          • tjvhou812
            Full Member Status

            • Mar 2004
            • 4216

            #6
            Originally posted by Seshmeister
            No it's like Axl Rose keeping the Guns N Roses name.
            who would want that name... that name is HISTORY.. VAN HALEN'S NOT
            Originally posted by RIKK

            Now, tj was indeed a major cunt. Indeed, he probably still is.

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            • SilvioDante
              Head Fluffer
              • Jan 2004
              • 484

              #7
              Sorry pal, but Van Halen hasn't been relevent to anybody other than VHLinks nerds since about the F.U.C.K. days. DO you honestly think anyone other than them gave a shit about Balance.

              These guys are whores. plain and simple. Ed is pimpin' himself and the other 3 losers out to anyone with a hard on to hear "Love Walks In".
              "Don't try to confuse the issue with half truths and gorilla dust." - Bill NcNeal

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              • tjvhou812
                Full Member Status

                • Mar 2004
                • 4216

                #8
                balance was a big selling cd.... and a number 1 cd to boot
                Originally posted by RIKK

                Now, tj was indeed a major cunt. Indeed, he probably still is.

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                • Big Troubles
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 8517

                  #9
                  Balance did have a peak position at #1, big deal. What brought that album #1 sales was three balleds. Thats crap music man. Thats like praising N'Sync. And 2.4 million album sales is not that high. You want high sales? Check out 1984. 10 million, Diamond sales. Sammy Hagar will never ever reach that kind of success, with or with Van Halen. Dave did. Fact.
                  "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKIN' BITCH! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAYS? TALK TO ME LIKE THAT? FUCK YOU. DRAG QUEEN LOOKIN' WHORE- YOU AINT SHIT. YOUR THE FRECKLE TO THE LEFT OF MY BROWN EYE. NOW GO MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL...OH, PUT DAD ON THE PHONE"

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                  • Catfish

                    #10
                    Originally posted by tjvhou812
                    who would want that name... that name is HISTORY.. VAN HALEN'S NOT
                    Hey shit head, check the headlines regarding the Van Hagar reunion.

                    There aren't any.

                    Nobody cares, dude.

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                    • tjvhou812
                      Full Member Status

                      • Mar 2004
                      • 4216

                      #11
                      ok if nobody cares shitface then they wont sellout this tour.....yea right this tour is gonna be one of the biggest summer tours....
                      Originally posted by RIKK

                      Now, tj was indeed a major cunt. Indeed, he probably still is.

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                      • Catfish

                        #12
                        At the risk of turning this thread into one of those "Eddie counting on the summer dollars of his pussy sheep fans" threads...

                        VH is done, holmes. The "world" outside of your's and those faggy faux Van Halen ring circles does not care.

                        If it were Dave back with VH it would be HUGE news.

                        If the truth hurts then take my foot out of your ass.

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                        • Sarge
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Feb 2003
                          • 5423

                          #13
                          Hey Terry,
                          excellent post

                          Originally posted by Terry
                          Remember where you are when you come here telling us how your love for Sam Halen is driving you crazy, and stop bitching and moaning when you get slapped down to size.
                          For real.
                          What do you expect from this place..
                          Trying to convince fans here to like Sammy.. is like bringing unspiked Orange Juice into a room of Alcoholics.
                          We simply aren't going to take it.
                          Sarge
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                          • tjvhou812
                            Full Member Status

                            • Mar 2004
                            • 4216

                            #14
                            keep waiting for dave to get back and your gonna lose a lot of sleep..
                            and if it was dave that was back hell that be great too..
                            im a van halen fan ... w/sam or dave.... your one of those guys who have a tatoo of dave on your to inch killer
                            Originally posted by RIKK

                            Now, tj was indeed a major cunt. Indeed, he probably still is.

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                            • FORD
                              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 58789

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tjvhou812

                              thats like sayin acdc should have changed there name, or black sabbath
                              Black Sabbath should have changed their name, and in fact tried to do so. Actually, at one point, Tony Iommi and Ronnie James Dio were going to start out as an entirely new band. When Warner Brothers records insisted on calling the band Black Sabbath, Tony brought Geezer & Bill back in.

                              WB also insisted that Tony release his 1986 solo album "Seventh Star" under the name Black Sabbath, even though his intentions at the time were to record a REAL Black Sabbath record soon after, given that the original members were on good terms with each other after their reunion appearance at Live Aid in 1985.

                              Bottom line with Sabbath, and Van Halen, as well as Deep Purple, Fleetwood Mac, and the Doobie Brothers, is that Warner Brothers owned the band's name so despite the volume of personnel changes, they were not legally able to change it.

                              Think I'm bulshitting? There was a young guy from Minneapolis who signed a contract with WB around the same time as Van Halen. When he left WB in a contract dispute a decade or so later, he was forced to drop his own name from future albums while the litigation was in progress. The musician in question had to market his music under an ambiguous symbol which had no translation into any verbal language.

                              His name? Prince Rogers Nelson.
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