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This is a couple of days old . . .
It's almost certain that the gov't will fall sometime within the next month, as the minority Liberal government wont be able to survive the next vote of confidence now that the New Democrat party has backed out of supporting them.
Personally, I like minority governments. . .it forces those who govern to be accountable for their actions, or else a new election is forced.
The same system would definitely change how things operate in the USA.
Discuss.
I would like to see this government go forward till at least until the spring.
You are right...a minority has to be accountable at all times.
A strong majority breeds arrogance(look what it did to Jean)...too much power is not good.
I gotta say I am not a huge NDP supporter at a federal level...but smiling Jack got a few social initiatives pushed through.
BigBadBrian
11-10-2005, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by UGS
Discuss.
OK.
Who gives a fuck.
:gulp:
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
OK.
Who gives a fuck.
:gulp:
Thanks for coming out :rolleyes:
Good call WACF. Jean was so successful at winning majorities that it practically ruined him. Martin is practically ruined just by his association with Jean.
Yet somehow, the Liberals are still leading the polls.
My bet would be for a Conservative minority in the springtime. The Libs have had too much power for too long.
Originally posted by WACF
I gotta say I am not a huge NDP supporter at a federal level...but smiling Jack got a few social initiatives pushed through.
Love him or hate him, you gotta admit he's got a remarkable amount accomplished for the country, even with such a small part in the parliament.
ELVIS
11-10-2005, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Who gives a fuck.
:gulp:
Ditto...
Romeo Delight
11-10-2005, 06:02 PM
I think the minority government situation proved that the Parliamentary system is superior to that used in the US.
An essentially two-party system in the US is saved only by the existence of the Senate that can occasionally stop House majority from steamrolling a religious-right agenda, for example.
In my eyes, ALL party contributions should be illegal, and the taxpayer should fund equally a modest campaign fund for each party.
The present situation in both countries is insane, particularly in the US, where paying back political contributors is out of control.
Power of states is too much as protectionist measures not in best interest of US economy are pursued by prominent state representatives. Feeble industries not globally competitive are propped up for decades and opportunity cost of lost economic development in other areas can never be recovered.
Canada needs to keep US companies out of our resources. Recently, BC government "paid back" a small party contribution of US company by changing laws to allow foreign ownership of energy company built up by people of the province for decades.
A joke!
Romeo Delight
11-10-2005, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Ditto...
Arrogant, much? (aren't you a mod in this forum?)
The rest of the world sees Americans just like this...
Try to break this mold, and look to alternative ways of governing.
What, Canadians aren't allowed to post in Front Line?
Romeo Delight
11-10-2005, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by UGS
The same system would definitely change how things operate in the USA.
Discuss.
No, everything is working PERFECTLY in the US right now.
The rest of the world has nothing to offer in terms of political reform.
:rolleyes:
weesfreewheelin
11-10-2005, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
OK.
Who gives a fuck.
:gulp:
:rofl:
Romeo Delight
11-10-2005, 07:48 PM
ignorant
franksters
11-10-2005, 08:46 PM
lol!
as long as we have a govn. that will say no to usa when it's time to...
I coudn't care less.
we're getting screwed by any of them.
Another potentially good topic attempted to be thrown off track by our resident rednecks who have nothing constructive to add . . .
I like the idea of banning contributions to pollitical parties. I'd bet that if the US did that, not one American soldier or marine would be dead in Iraq right now.
At the same time, it's hard to justify giving money to the Bloc party. Give gov't money to a party that wants to split up the country? . . .
guwapo_rocker
11-10-2005, 08:53 PM
The NDP are a bunch of fucking Commies!!
Who are you voting for guwapo?
franksters
11-10-2005, 09:19 PM
they should get(the party) the same amount of money to campaign,
that way no screw up like last time, but to be elligible to that cash you need to have a representative in the 306 county..
Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
The NDP are a bunch of fucking Commies!!
There is a difference between a socialist and a commie.
Originally posted by UGS
At the same time, it's hard to justify giving money to the Bloc party. Give gov't money to a party that wants to split up the country? . . .
Makes no sense to me what so ever?
How can a federal pary be allowed to exist if it's only concern is one province. This is one thing I can not grasp.
I would say I like the US two pary system...If you seperated the Libs, Cons, NDP and Bloc into a left and right we would see a more balanced government.
With our parliment having the freedom to discuss issues and debate like we do, I think we would be more successful at crossing our hurdles.
Bottom line though...I feel that we should have the right to fire our MPs and MLAs when they fail us.
Diamondjimi
11-11-2005, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by WACF
Bottom line though...I feel that we should have the right to fire our MPs and MLAs when they fail us.
Exactly !
It's a fucking joke. To think that these assholes can vote on how much of a raise they feel like giving themselves.
Fuck the LIE-BERaLS !!!
NO MORE FRENCH PRIME MINISTERS ! (No offence to French Canadians)
It's time for a change.......
Originally posted by WACF
I would say I like the US two pary system...If you seperated the Libs, Cons, NDP and Bloc into a left and right we would see a more balanced government.
Can't say I agree there. It's the multi-party system that allowed the NDP to have that bit of power in the spring, and again now, and things actually got done. It forces governing parties to make compromises and better reflect the will of the people.
Also, the Libs aren't really a left wing party. NDP/Green definitely, but Libs are pretty much right down the middle. The more parties, the more views that are represented, and the more the parties have to work together to accomplish things. Less one-sided.
Yes, the Libs are down the middle.
That is where I am comming from...a NDP party member will not go Conservative.
It is my view that the LIbs would move a little farther to the left if the NDP party dissolved.
The reason we get so many Majority governments is because the far left splits the vote. Much like we saw with the Reform party taking votes from the far right.
franksters
11-11-2005, 02:38 PM
the bloc shouldn't be allowed in if they're only interest is in quebec, but they revealed that sponsership scandal to all the canadian..
and I agree no more french prime minister, but the problem is that quebec votes are decisive in the balance if quebec don't like the choices, then they vote for the PQ or the bloc...
Originally posted by franksters
the bloc shouldn't be allowed in if they're only interest is in quebec, but they revealed that sponsership scandal to all the canadian..
and I agree no more french prime minister, but the problem is that quebec votes are decisive in the balance if quebec don't like the choices, then they vote for the PQ or the bloc...
I should of added that to my post...the Bloc takes a lot of votes from who "Could" govern.
Quebec does determine who wins.
That is where I feel our system has failed...seats should be based on wards or territories verses population. That is where some western alienation is felt.
Everytime the Quebec wheel squeaks the feds dump cash and make concessions...when there are bigger problems to be dealt with it seems like a waste of $$$ and time. parliament sessions are just too short to effectively deal with health, justice or trade issues when you have ass kissing and image protecting taking most of the time.
Full Bug
11-11-2005, 04:54 PM
If the Conservatives lose and the Liberals or Fiberals win again I'm thinking of moving to another country where I'm not surrounded buy a bunch of morons who keep voting them in....
We've seen the HRDC boondoggle, the gun registry fiasco, the gutting of our military, the complete abdication of responsibility when they gutted transfer payments to the provinces, their habit of promising lots of money to fix obvious problems and then failing to deliver the funds or the results, and the fact our health care is no better today than when Paul Martin ran on a platform saying he would "save" public health.... The Liberals are an elitist, incompetent and self-serving bunch of pigs at the trough and it is time for them to go.....
Full Bug
11-11-2005, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by diamondjimi
Exactly !
It's a fucking joke. To think that these assholes can vote on how much of a raise they feel like giving themselves.
Fuck the LIE-BERaLS !!!
NO MORE FRENCH PRIME MINISTERS ! (No offence to French Canadians)
It's time for a change.......
Amen to that.....
franksters
11-11-2005, 06:47 PM
WACF
I sooo totally agree with you about the territories versus the population, it just doesn't jive anymore with reality...
but there is not a lot of choices to choose from when you go voting...
as long as it's going to govern like this (opposition, liberals, minority, majority) unfortunatly we're doomed.
nothing that US canadian really want to see will never happen.
guwapo_rocker
11-11-2005, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by UGS
Who are you voting for guwapo?
Anna Ohura.
Really, is there any other option??
Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
Anna Ohura.
Really, is there any other option??
Hahaha, no, I guess not
I doubt we'll have another French PM for the next little while. . .Jean was the nail in the casket for that movement. Also, people are sick of nine provinces having to cater to the demands of one. Harper probably wouldn't stand for that shit if he was PM.
I doubt Martin will keep the Lib leadership if they don't take power in the next election. He's interested in the power and prestige of being PM. . .not the Official Opposition leader. Let's not forget he's a multimillionaire business man. . .much richer than Jean, Mulroney, or Trudeau ever were. . . .it's all about the power for Martin.
Look for a western or Ontario PM for the new year, IMO
guwapo_rocker
11-11-2005, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by UGS
Hahaha, no, I guess not
I doubt we'll have another French PM for the next little while. . .Jean was the nail in the casket for that movement. Also, people are sick of nine provinces having to cater to the demands of one. Harper probably wouldn't stand for that shit if he was PM.
I doubt Martin will keep the Lib leadership if they don't take power in the next election. He's interested in the power and prestige of being PM. . .not the Official Opposition leader. Let's not forget he's a multimillionaire business man. . .much richer than Jean, Mulroney, or Trudeau ever were. . . .it's all about the power for Martin.
Look for a western or Ontario PM for the new year, IMO
It's about time, but I don't like ANY of the candidates!!
The thought os Layton having ANY power has me thinking about
packing my bags.
How long did it take the NDP to fuck up Ontario when they won in the
early 90's? Months?
It's all about fucking things up Bob Rae style
guwapo_rocker
11-11-2005, 08:55 PM
It's scary, I make good coin and I already pay enough
in personal and property taxes. I'm sick and tired of
my pocket being picked to support lazy fucks and homeless
people from other Provinces!!
PHOENIX
11-12-2005, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by diamondjimi
Exactly !
It's a fucking joke. To think that these assholes can vote on how much of a raise they feel like giving themselves.
Fuck the LIE-BERaLS !!!
NO MORE FRENCH PRIME MINISTERS ! (No offence to French Canadians)
It's time for a change.......
He's not french. He is from Quebec but he's not FRENCH!
I just read on the front page of the Chronicle Herald (Halifax paper) that if the Tories win the election, they'll ban corporate sponsorship of pollitical parties, and limit personal sponsorship to one grand. Sound good to me. Ideally anyway, the parties will answer to the voters of Canada, not whomever pays up the most prior to the election.
Mind you, this would be AFTER the election, letting them rake in sponsorship $$ before banning the very practice . . .
Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
It's scary, I make good coin and I already pay enough
in personal and property taxes. I'm sick and tired of
my pocket being picked to support lazy fucks and homeless
people from other Provinces!!
That just makes you the same as every other Canadian.
Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
It's about time, but I don't like ANY of the candidates!!
The thought os Layton having ANY power has me thinking about
packing my bags.
I don't think we will ever have to worry about smiling Jack winning...if we do it will be time to leave.
That guy is just too oblivious to the world outside of Toronto. Scary that he could be a party leader.
Diamondjimi
11-14-2005, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Full Bug
The Liberals are an elitist, incompetent and self-serving bunch of pigs at the trough and it is time for them to go.....
Well said !
Romeo Delight
11-14-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by UGS
I just read on the front page of the Chronicle Herald (Halifax paper) that if the Tories win the election, they'll ban corporate sponsorship of pollitical parties, and limit personal sponsorship to one grand. Sound good to me. Ideally anyway, the parties will answer to the voters of Canada, not whomever pays up the most prior to the election.
Mind you, this would be AFTER the election, letting them rake in sponsorship $$ before banning the very practice . . .
They've got my vote! Great!
Maybe they've been reading this thread for campaigning advice??
Seems like an election is a sure thing....Should make Goodale's mini budget annoucement today interesting.
I see some seirous ass kissing on the horizon(Elusive tax breaks...maybe not the kind that are announced and do not show up till next year or the year after that).
ELVIS
11-14-2005, 02:04 PM
A Canadian bloke is walking down the street with a case of beer under his arm.
His friend Randy stops him and asks, "Hey Dave! Whatcha got that case of beer for?"
"Well, I got it for my wife, you see?" answers Dave.
"Wow," exclaims Randy, "Great trade."
:elvis:
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 02:22 PM
Good one Elvis, LOL....
At least with beer you get a refund on the empties when your done with'em.....:D
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by WACF
Seems like an election is a sure thing....Should make Goodale's mini budget annoucement today interesting.
I see some seirous ass kissing on the horizon(Elusive tax breaks...maybe not the kind that are announced and do not show up till next year or the year after that).
The liberals will promise anything to stay in power, and we all know how well they keep their promises....Even those things that Layton was demanding the last time out to let them stay in power wouldnt even kick in for another 5-8 years.....
As far as Layton goes, he is married to Olivia Chow, that tells you all you need to know about him right there.....
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 02:35 PM
It aint political but thought this was pretty funny anyway, I HATE those Canadian Tire ads, I feel like smashing both of them in the head with a tire iron, bought at Canadian Tire of course.....:D
Canadian Tire Couple In Divorce Shocker
Ted and Gloria Pneumatic, the ubiquitous couple featured in those Canadian Tire commercials on the TV every five goddamn minutes, have filed for divorce.
In an exclusive interview, Gloria admitted that she and her husband of 13 years have in fact been separated from one another for several months.
"We wanted to keep this secret because of the possibility of negative implications both for the company and for our careers as a husband-wife pitch duo, but I couldn't continue living a lie," said Gloria, who admitted that she wasn't happy in the relationship for a long time.
"Ted and I were all smiles and chuckles when we were extolling the virtues of the 50 dollar folding recliner or the cheap-ass DVD player for the car that breaks after the first speed bump, but when the cameras stopped rolling, we would just return to the loveless sham that was our marriage," she admitted in a phone interview. "We hadn't made love in our inflatable BYO Bed, complete with Memory Foam, in over a year. All he seemed to care about was his...stuff.
"Oh sure, I'd plaster on a smile and ooze with enthusiasm over the new Mastercraft Electronic Corkscrew, or whatever the hell it was we happened to be schlepping that particular day, but I began to ask myself...isn't there more to life than this?
"I think it was the ad for the Motomaster Automatic Car Door Unlocker that broke the proverbial camel's back. That's when I realized that I didn't love this man anymore.
Mike McChuckle, spokesperson for Canadian Tire and a direct descendant of Sandy McTire, had no knowledge of Ted and Gloria's marital difficulties.
"I mean, why can't you just unlock the goddamn door with your keys?
"Our marriage got to the point where it was built on nothing more than the wanton consumption of crap," she continued. "Instead of devoting more time to the relationship, Ted thought all of our communication problems would go away if he just continued to buy more shit that would just wind up collecting dust in the closet. I mean, the Mastercraft Tap Turner? What was he thinking? Who needs all this shit?"
Gloria admitted that it was she who initiated the divorce proceedings. "Ted's still a little shook up about the whole thing. He's tried to win me back with more...stuff, but he just doesn't get it. Sometimes, I'd just like to grab a Mastercraft XM-70 Megaphone and scream it out to him: 'You can't buy my love with all of this crap! I'm a human being with emotional needs!'"
When reached for comment, Ted Pneumatic sniffled audibly before hanging up his Pulsar Belltone Cordless Phone, available for only $59.99 at your nearest Canadian Tire.
Gloria said that the couple have agreed not to get "the lawyers" involved as of yet. "We're trying to keep things amicable for our son, but we haven't exactly determined who gets what," she indicated. She revealed that she has asked her husband for 1,200 Canadian Tire dollars per month in support, for herself and for little Bocihpus, the couple's child.
Mike McChuckle, a spokesperson for Canadian Tire, said that the company had no knowledge of Ted and Gloria's marital difficulties, but he indicated that the venerable Canadian retailer has no plans of firing the couple. "We look forward to having Ted and Gloria continue to annoy the living shit out of Canadians from coast to coast. After all, it's just TV right? They can act...well, sort of..."
Ted nearly breaks into tears and has to "take five" after doing an extended scene with his ex-wife for the Motomaster Eliminator 600A PowerBox, now only $149 at Canadian Tire.
However, the revelation of the couple's split could have negative repercussions for the Crappy Tire brand, according to Nigel Berconso, marketing professor at the University College of Western Prince Edward Island.
"What does it say to Canadian consumers that this smarmy, eternally upbeat couple with the seemingly perfect life selling them the Motomaster 'Boat in a Suitcase' on the TV are in fact going through an acrimonious divorce? It seems rather hypocritical," said Dr. Berconso, who continues to be stupefied to this day that they give out doctorates for marketing.
"Not only that, but they refuse to say which side they voted for in the 1995 Quebec referendum on sovereignty. That might have something to do with the fact that they have never lived in Quebec, but still...it raises some red flags."
And as for the couple's on-air future? Will they continue working together? Gloria says as far as she's concerned, yes.
"Hey, we're professionals...plus, the gig pays a lot better than dinner theatre in Niagara Falls. It's all about the Dead Prime Ministers, baby."
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 02:37 PM
Somebody kill them.....
Just for the benefit of those not familiar with Hoser Culture, It's probably wise to point out that Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/index.jsp), despite the name, is closer to K-Mart or Target than it is your typical Firestone franchise.
http://images.canadiantire.ca/media/images/Template/English/CTClogo_en_63_4deb5.gif
(though I admit I haven't seen the offensive ads described in Bug's post)
Romeo Delight
11-14-2005, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
Somebody kill them.....
Dude is pussywhipped.
Bitch rides him, calling him out at every turn: "You've got to have the right tools!!!"
Bitch. Guy deserves it though, whipped pussy.
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 02:59 PM
Thanx Ford, hoser culture, lol, be glad you arent exposed to those ads on a daily basis.....
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by DavidFlamma
Dude is pussywhipped.
Bitch rides him, calling him out at every turn: "You've got to have the right tools!!!"
Bitch. Guy deserves it though, whipped pussy.
While she's at it, she should ship off Porky, that fat little kid in the ads, to Jenny Craig ASAP.....
Angel
11-14-2005, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
If the Conservatives lose and the Liberals or Fiberals win again I'm thinking of moving to another country where I'm not surrounded buy a bunch of morons who keep voting them in....
But who the fuck is there, Bug? Harper would sell us out to the USA in a second. NDP's have no clue when it comes to finances.
I plan on asking those in my riding ONE question.
Would you rather kiss Bush's ass, or shove a 2x4 of softwood lumber up it?
Whoever answers the 2x4 gets my vote. :)
I HATE the Liberals, but if Harper was in we would be collecting body parts in Iraq, and we would be aiding in the weaponization of space.
Do you REALLY want to sell out this great nation to those idiots south of us? :D
Originally posted by Full Bug
Thanx Ford, hoser culture, lol, be glad you arent exposed to those ads on a daily basis.....
Hey, I get CBC here! I just haven't watched a lot of TV lately.
Originally posted by Angel
But who the fuck is there, Bug? Harper would sell us out to the USA in a second. NDP's have no clue when it comes to finances.
I plan on asking those in my riding ONE question.
Would you rather kiss Bush's ass, or shove a 2x4 of softwood lumber up it?
Whoever answers the 2x4 gets my vote. :)
I HATE the Liberals, but if Harper was in we would be collecting body parts in Iraq, and we would be aiding in the weaponization of space.
Do you REALLY want to sell out this great nation to those idiots south of us? :D
Sounds like your parties are getting about as bad as ours :(
I'm not by any means an expert on Canadian politics, but if the Liberals (who aren't really Liberal anyway) are having problems, and the Conservatives are Chimp/PNAC sellouts, then why not give the NDP a shot. If you guys have a viable third party, use them. Down here, we're stuck with two. Or more like one and a half as long as the DLC exists.
I guess you could always go with the Quebec separatist party, but they're pretty much a single issue party, right?
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Angel
But who the fuck is there, Bug? Harper would sell us out to the USA in a second. NDP's have no clue when it comes to finances.
I plan on asking those in my riding ONE question.
Would you rather kiss Bush's ass, or shove a 2x4 of softwood lumber up it?
Whoever answers the 2x4 gets my vote. :)
I HATE the Liberals, but if Harper was in we would be collecting body parts in Iraq, and we would be aiding in the weaponization of space.
Do you REALLY want to sell out this great nation to those idiots south of us? :D
If means getting the Liberals out I say lets give it a go.....
I see you have fallen for the "The sky will fall if power is given to the evil conservatives" bullshit the CBC and alot of media outlets try to convince us of.....No offense of course, I just dont buy into the fear mongering.....
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by FORD
I'm not by any means an expert on Canadian politics, but if the Liberals (who aren't really Liberal anyway) are having problems, and the Conservatives are Chimp/PNAC sellouts, then why not give the NDP a shot.
The NDP are a far far left wing party who pretty much ran Ontario into the ground when they were in power here, if the NDP ever ran the country I would be thinking suicide is a better option.....They dont stand a chance at winning the election anyway......
Just don't let the BCE/PNAC takeover your government. I guarantee you that the Canada you know and love will cease to exist.
Just as America has :(
Nickdfresh
11-14-2005, 04:00 PM
In my peripheral view of Canadian politics, it seems like the Liberals are incompetent, corrupt, and unpopular; but not as incompetant or as unpopular as the Tories...
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
In my peripheral view of Canadian politics, it seems like the Liberals are incompetent, corrupt, and unpopular; but not as incompetant or as unpopular as the Tories...
So they're like the Canadian DLC then?
The NDP has all sorts of great promises that sound convincing, but that's because Jack Layton can say whatever he wants- he knows he doesn't have a chance in hell of getting elected.
The Liberals haven't been liberal in 20 years. All the liberal ideas left w/ Trudeau.
We are living in a sad state of Canadian pollitics. . .I'm hoping for another minority gov't so that no party can royally fuck things up.
Originally posted by FORD
Just for the benefit of those not familiar with Hoser Culture, It's probably wise to point out that Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/index.jsp), despite the name, is closer to K-Mart or Target than it is your typical Firestone franchise.
http://images.canadiantire.ca/media/images/Template/English/CTClogo_en_63_4deb5.gif
(though I admit I haven't seen the offensive ads described in Bug's post)
What kind of CT are you talking about? Maybe the ones out east are like that, but the ones in rural Ontario and here out east are more of a hardware store.
The ads that everyone's talking about are so bad they're funny. I crack up everytime they're on.
Romeo Delight
11-14-2005, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
The NDP are a far far left wing party who pretty much ran Ontario into the ground when they were in power here, if the NDP ever ran the country I would be thinking suicide is a better option.....They dont stand a chance at winning the election anyway......
Not true anymore.
Provincial parties generally have no affliation with federal ones of same name.
Left of center, for sure, but the Liberals are too.
They won't ever win election here under the NDP banner.
Romeo Delight
11-14-2005, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
In my peripheral view of Canadian politics, it seems like the Liberals are incompetent, corrupt, and unpopular; but not as incompetant or as unpopular as the Tories...
Exactly.
Tories will have hard time shaking of Mulroney's legacy, among other things, bending over for the US
Harper fucks things up in the most crucial moments, and lack political saavy
I actually would like to see Martin carry through his full term.
Harper is power hungry and it shows.
With the minority government in place the opposition can get some bills through that need to be done.
We actually have had a decent budget...if Harper cared for the country he would use his position to help the country...not try and take over fully.
Martin actually cleaned out some Liberals that needed to go...they are better for it.
The problem is too many majority governments and Cretien became arrogant. Martin may pay for that.
I say give the guy a full term and prove it to us...if he can not...then we can his ass...after his term.
The NDP will not win...they only take votes, much like the Bloc. Neither of those parties can govern the country and most people know that. I live under the NDP here in Saskatchewan...we reap the rewards in some ways but we stay back in the '40's in others. They are not business friendly when it comes to "new" growth. We have a booming economy and have become a "have" province due to oil...but it does not show.
I am looking forward to the news tonight...see what is new.
Angel is on the money BTW....I have serious issues with the Liberals, but right now they are maybe the lesser of all evils.
Romeo Delight
11-14-2005, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by WACF
Martin actually cleaned out some Liberals that needed to go...they are better for it.
The problem is too many majority governments and Cretien became arrogant. Martin may pay for that.
This fact is true. Politically, Martin could not oust Chretien loyalists completely from liberal regime right away.
Slowly, through scandal and manuevering, he has done so. Much of the scandal has actually come about due to the fact that Martin forced Chretien to retire before he really wanted to. Chretien is still very influential in Ottawa, and saw fit for certain "facts" to emerge. Some of these have come back to haunt him obviously, and they have hurt Liberals
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by DavidFlamma
Not true anymore.
Provincial parties generally have no affliation with federal ones of same name.
You wouldnt know it around here lately, Dalton has ripped a few pages of crap from Martin, for example what the debt really is, one week its 50 billion, the next its 14 billion, the next its 28 billion, nobody has a clue what it really is, oh yeah and then there was Daltons promise of no new taxes (But he wouldnt cut them either), another broken promise, he kicked in the biggest health tax increase in Ontario in over 20 years, sounds to me like he learned a thing or two from the Federal Liberals all right....
Angel
11-14-2005, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
If means getting the Liberals out I say lets give it a go.....
I see you have fallen for the "The sky will fall if power is given to the evil conservatives" bullshit the CBC and alot of media outlets try to convince us of.....No offense of course, I just dont buy into the fear mongering.....
Bug, I'm very dissappointed in you, you should know me better than that. Do you think I would base my opinions on media? NOT. I'm more inclined to believe that they have followed MY opinions.
My opinions are based on the fact that a) Mulroney sold us out once before and b) I listen to Stephen Harper talk. My NUMERO UNO concern is keeping my country "Canadian".
If you would prefer that we be like the racist, intolerant, warmongering assholes south of us, then please, be my guest... and move there. Let me know how happy you are when you're freezing in the cold because we won't sell you anything anymore. ;)
(By the way, did you get out and thank some vets on Friday?)
Angel
11-14-2005, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Full Bug
You wouldnt know it around here lately, Dalton has ripped a few pages of crap from Martin, for example what the debt really is, one week its 50 billion, the next its 14 billion, the next its 28 billion, nobody has a clue what it really is, oh yeah and then there was Daltons promise of no new taxes (But he wouldnt cut them either), another broken promise, he kicked in the biggest health tax increase in Ontario in over 20 years, sounds to me like he learned a thing or two from the Federal Liberals all right....
I would say he learned from the Alberta Conservatives.
Angel
11-14-2005, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Sounds like your parties are getting about as bad as ours :(
I'm not by any means an expert on Canadian politics, but if the Liberals (who aren't really Liberal anyway) are having problems, and the Conservatives are Chimp/PNAC sellouts, then why not give the NDP a shot. If you guys have a viable third party, use them. Down here, we're stuck with two. Or more like one and a half as long as the DLC exists.
I guess you could always go with the Quebec separatist party, but they're pretty much a single issue party, right?
The separatist party only has members running in Quebec. What makes you say the liberals aren't really liberal? I could never trust NDP with money. They practically ruined the province of BC. They have wonderful socialistic ideas, but not the $$ to back them up.
:D
Angel
11-14-2005, 07:04 PM
And by the way, FORD. Thanks for having the intelligence to know that what goes on up here politically does have an effect on the US. ;)
ELVIS
11-14-2005, 07:06 PM
You have BCE in the Great White North too ??
Full Bug
11-14-2005, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Angel
(By the way, did you get out and thank some vets on Friday?)
Actually, I was at a Legion the day before, always enjoy talking to the Vets....
Originally posted by ELVIS
You have BCE in the Great White North too ??
Did you miss the part where Angel said they had a huge pool of oil?
Of course the BCE is trying to get in there. There are a lot of neocons in the Canadian Conservative party these days, from what I've heard. Including this Harper clown who's probably the Hoser equivalent of Prick Santorum.
scamper
11-15-2005, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by Angel
If you would prefer that we be like the racist, intolerant, warmongering assholes south of us
You seem to be obsessed with the USA, you might want to get some theropy, it's not healthy.
Angel
11-15-2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by scamper
You seem to be obsessed with the USA, you might want to get some theropy, it's not healthy.
Honey, my opinion is based on what I read on these boards, and what your politicians do.
Not only that, but a lot of what we say on here is because we want to spark a "fight"...
Take a look at how many people will go out of their way to put Canada down, because they know I'll respond. It's a bit of fun that we've been having on these boards for a long time now. It really is all in fun, except for the racism thread which I don't find fun at all. In fact, it's deeply disturbing.
I'm not obsessed with the USA, but I am with CANADA... I'll fight to the end to keep my country out of your hands...
The beauty with forums is sometimes you get a real feel for how someone thinks. Especially internationally. I am amazed how some posters can not look beyond their little world around them...perhaps media has alot to do with that.
Like you say Angel...a lot of it is for fun...but sometimes you get a real shot of how someone percieves themselves opposed to others.
It can be very educating, sometimes just plain disturbing.
Time and time again it makes be proud to live where I do, and at times I see where we fall short.
Angel
11-15-2005, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by WACF
and at times I see where we fall short.
So do I, but I don't bother mentioning them. ;)
(Not true, I've often spoken against what we've done to a once great military, and our shitty immigration and criminal laws).
Romeo Delight
11-16-2005, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by Angel
Honey, my opinion is based on what I read on these boards, and what your politicians do.
Not only that, but a lot of what we say on here is because we want to spark a "fight"...
Take a look at how many people will go out of their way to put Canada down, because they know I'll respond. It's a bit of fun that we've been having on these boards for a long time now. It really is all in fun, except for the racism thread which I don't find fun at all. In fact, it's deeply disturbing.
I'm not obsessed with the USA, but I am with CANADA... I'll fight to the end to keep my country out of your hands...
Five star!
(oops, I forgot I've already given you one)
A cool blog...
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/
Interesting story of the CBC using a Liberal plant.
Saturday, December 17, 2005
"Citizen's Panelist" Really Undecided?
I was watching the National last night and was dumbfounded by one member of the "Citizens Panel" (roughly 27:30 minutes in) of "undecided" voters, as she effortlessly mouthed Liberal talking points. I thought it was kind of odd and even Mansbridge seemed a little uncomfortable. I googled the panelist's name and in her bio were these little nuggets:
For nearly two decades, Rikia Saddy has been working to shift consumer and voter perceptions and behaviour.
and
In 1998 Ms. Saddy moved to the Koo Creative Group as Director of Client Services and found her niche developing strategy for entrepreneurial-minded companies looking to leap to the next level. Since 1999, she has been in high demand as a marketing strategist, advising clients as varied as ISMBC (a joint venture of IBM and TELUS), Imasco Minerals, and Popmachine.com as well as provincial and federal elections and leadership campaigns. She also works extensively and pro bono for arts and community organizations such as the Vancouver Opera, YWCA, and Mortal Coil Performance Society. (emphasis mine)
For who's leadership campaign did she work and for which party did she campaign? I realize this may be a coincidence but Paul Martin was on the board of Imasco, was he not? It could be all a dream, but I think the CBC got suckered.
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