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  • FORD
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    • Jan 2004
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    Asterisks Dot White House's Iraq Argument

    Asterisks Dot White House's Iraq Argument

    By Dana Milbank and Walter Pincus
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Saturday, November 12, 2005; A01

    President Bush and his national security adviser have answered critics of the Iraq war in recent days with a two-pronged argument: that Congress saw the same intelligence the administration did before the war, and that independent commissions have determined that the administration did not misrepresent the intelligence.

    Neither assertion is wholly accurate.

    The administration's overarching point is true: Intelligence agencies overwhelmingly believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and very few members of Congress from either party were skeptical about this belief before the war began in 2003. Indeed, top lawmakers in both parties were emphatic and certain in their public statements.

    But Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were dependent on the administration to provide the material. And the commissions cited by officials, though concluding that the administration did not pressure intelligence analysts to change their conclusions, were not authorized to determine whether the administration exaggerated or distorted those conclusions.

    National security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, briefing reporters Thursday, countered "the notion that somehow this administration manipulated the intelligence." He said that "those people who have looked at that issue, some committees on the Hill in Congress, and also the Silberman-Robb Commission, have concluded it did not happen."

    But the only committee investigating the matter in Congress, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has not yet done its inquiry into whether officials mischaracterized intelligence by omitting caveats and dissenting opinions. And Judge Laurence H. Silberman, chairman of Bush's commission on weapons of mass destruction, said in releasing his report on March 31, 2005: "Our executive order did not direct us to deal with the use of intelligence by policymakers, and all of us were agreed that that was not part of our inquiry."

    Bush, in Pennsylvania yesterday, was more precise, but he still implied that it had been proved that the administration did not manipulate intelligence, saying that those who suggest the administration "manipulated the intelligence" are "fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments."

    In the same speech, Bush asserted that "more than 100 Democrats in the House and the Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power." Giving a preview of Bush's speech, Hadley had said that "we all looked at the same intelligence."

    But Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country.

    In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release. For example, the NIE view that Hussein would not use weapons of mass destruction against the United States or turn them over to terrorists unless backed into a corner was cleared for public use only a day before the Senate vote.


    The lawmakers are partly to blame for their ignorance. Congress was entitled to view the 92-page National Intelligence Estimate about Iraq before the October 2002 vote. But, as The Washington Post reported last year, no more than six senators and a handful of House members read beyond the five-page executive summary.

    Even within the Bush administration, not everybody consistently viewed Iraq as what Hadley called "an enormous threat." In a news conference in February 2001 in Egypt, then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said of the economic sanctions against Hussein's Iraq: "Frankly, they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction."

    Bush, in his speech Friday, said that "it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." But in trying to set the record straight, he asserted: "When I made the decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, Congress approved it with strong bipartisan support."

    The October 2002 joint resolution authorized the use of force in Iraq, but it did not directly mention the removal of Hussein from power.

    The resolution voiced support for diplomatic efforts to enforce "all relevant Security Council resolutions," and for using the armed forces to enforce the resolutions and defend "against the continuing threat posed by Iraq."

    Hadley, in his remarks, went further. "Congress, in 1998, authorized, in fact, the use of force based on that intelligence," he said. "And, as you know, the Clinton administration took some action."

    But the 1998 legislation gave the president authority "to support efforts to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein" by providing assistance to Iraqi opposition groups, including arms, humanitarian aid and broadcasting facilities.

    President Bill Clinton ordered four days of bombing of Iraqi weapons facilities in 1998, under the 1991 resolution authorizing military force in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Describing that event in an interview with CBS News yesterday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said: "We went to war in 1998 because of concerns about his weapons of mass destruction."

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  • Hardrock69
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    • Feb 2005
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    #2
    This does not surprise me.

    That fucking Chimp bastard and his dicklickers are doing anything they can to weasel their fucking way out of this mess, and as I predicted in the other thread, they are just going to dig themselves a hole so deep they will never be able to get out.

    Chimpeachment is on the horizon.

    He lied AGAIN.

    I just hope Cheney gets indicted as well, as I do not want that goddamnable cocksucker as President.
    Last edited by Hardrock69; 11-12-2005, 04:33 AM.

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    • FORD
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      • Jan 2004
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      #3
      Originally posted by Hardrock69


      Chimpeachment is on the horizon.

      A few of the oldtimers over at Democratic Underground were referring to this pathetic excuse of a speech as Chimpy's "I am not a crook!" moment. Or in other words, comparing it to the moment Nixon knew he was fucked.

      Let's hope they're right.
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      • Nickdfresh
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        • Oct 2004
        • 49205

        #4
        Originally posted by FORD
        A few of the oldtimers over at Democratic Underground were referring to this pathetic excuse of a speech as Chimpy's "I am not a crook!" moment. Or in other words, comparing it to the moment Nixon knew he was fucked.

        Let's hope they're right.
        The historical parallels are fascinating...

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        • DrMaddVibe
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          • Jan 2004
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          #5
          What were those "lies" again?
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          • FORD
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            • Jan 2004
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            #6
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            • DrMaddVibe
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              • Jan 2004
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              #7
              I guess its easier for you to post Nazis apologetics than to actually post the lies.

              I don't really blame you. What with all of the "theories" rattling around in your pathetic twisted small mind its no wonder that you find it hard to comply.
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              • Warham
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                • Mar 2004
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                #8
                I'm still wondering how he's going to be impeached if the Republicans control Congress.

                One of you libs care to explain?

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                • FORD
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                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58786

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Warham
                  I'm still wondering how he's going to be impeached if the Republicans control Congress.

                  One of you libs care to explain?
                  Republicans started the impeachment proceedings against Nixon, when he became too much of a liability to their party.

                  Chimp is already a far worse liability than Tricky Dick ever was, but there is so much corruption in the Republican leadership (DeLay, Frist, etc) that what few honest Republicans are left go unheard. Ron Paul of Texas comes to mind. He's a right wing libertarian, far cry from a Democrat, but he's been very outspoken against the invasion and occupation of Iraq. He'd be a very likely candidate to get the ball rolling on Chimpeachment.

                  And if he doesn't, then there's always January 2007
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                  • FORD
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                    • Jan 2004
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                    #10
                    Here's what conservative Paul Craig Roberts (Reagan administration cabinet official) has to say about Chimpeachment.......

                    September 03, 2005
                    Impeach Bush Now

                    By Paul Craig Roberts

                    The raison d’etre of the Bush administration is war in the Middle East in order to protect America from terrorism and to insure America’s oil supply. On both counts the Bush administration has failed catastrophically.

                    Bush’s single-minded focus on the "war against terrorism" has compounded a natural disaster and turned it into the greatest calamity in American history. The US has lost its largest and most strategic port, thousands of lives, and 80% of one of America’s most historic cities is under water.

                    If terrorists had achieved this result, it would rank as the greatest terrorist success in history.

                    Prior to 911, the Federal Emergency Management Agency warned that New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project (SELA) in order to protect the strategic port, the refineries, and the large population.

                    However, after 2003 the flow of funds to SELA were diverted to the war in Iraq. During 2004 and 2005 the New Orleans Times-Picayune published nine articles citing New Orleans’ loss of hurricane protection to the war in Iraq.

                    Every expert and newspapers as distant as Texas saw the New Orleans catastrophe coming. But President Bush and his insane government preferred war in Iraq to protecting Americans at home.

                    Bush’s war left the Corps of Engineers only 20% of the funding to protect New Orleans from flooding from Lake Pontchartrain. On June 18, 2004, the Corps’ project manager, Al Naomi, told the Times-Picayune: "the levees are sinking. ….If we don’t get the money to raise them, we can’t stay ahead of the settlement."

                    Despite the dire warnings delivered by the 2004 hurricane season, the Bush administration made deep budget cuts for flood control and hurricane funding for New Orleans. The US Senate, alarmed at the Bush administration’s insanity, was planning to restore the funding for 2006. But now it is too late. Many multiples of the funding that would have saved the city now have to be spent to rescue it.

                    Not content with leaving New Orleans unprotected, it took the Bush administration five days to get the remnants of the National Guard not serving in Iraq, along with desperately needed food and water, to devastated New Orleans. This is the slowest emergency response by the US government in modern times. By the time the Bush administration could organize any resources for New Orleans, many more people had died and the city was in total chaos.

                    Despite the most dismal performance on record, Bush’s Homeland Security Secretary, Michael Chertoff, said on Thursday that the Bush administration has done a "magnificent job."

                    The on-the-scene mayor of New Orleans sees it differently: "They’re feeding the people a line of bull, and they are spinning and people are dying."

                    "They’re thinking small man, and this is a major, major deal."

                    It is a major deal, one that will affect Americans far beyond New Orleans. According to reports, 25% of our oil and gasoline comes through the New Orleans port and refineries, all out of commission. Needed goods cannot be imported, and exports will plummet, worsening an already disastrous deficit in the balance of trade.

                    The increased cost of gasoline will soak up consumers’ disposable incomes, with dire effects on consumer spending. US economic growth will be siphoned off into higher energy costs. American lives far from New Orleans will be adversely affected.

                    The destruction of New Orleans is the responsibility of the most incompetent government in American history and perhaps in all history. Americans are rapidly learning that they were deceived by the superpower hubris. The powerful US military cannot successfully occupy Baghdad or control the road to the airport--and this against an insurgency based in only 20% of the Iraqi population. Bush’s pointless war has left Washington so pressed for money that the federal government abandoned New Orleans to catastrophe.

                    The Bush administration is damned by its gross incompetence. Bush has squandered the lives and health of thousands of people. He has run through hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars. He has lost America’s reputation and its allies. With barbaric torture and destruction of our civil liberty, he has stripped America of its inherent goodness and morality. And now Bush has lost America’s largest port and 25 percent of its oil supply. Why? Because Bush started a gratuitous war egged on by a claque of crazy neoconservatives who have sacrificed America’s interests to their insane agenda.

                    The neoconservatives have brought these disasters to all Americans, Democrat and Republican alike. Now they must he held accountable. Bush and his neoconservatives are guilty of criminal negligence and must be prosecuted.

                    What will it take for Americans to reestablish accountability in their government? Bush has got away with lies and an illegal war of aggression, with outing CIA agents, with war crimes against Iraqi civilians, with the horrors of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture centers, and now with the destruction of New Orleans.

                    What disaster will next spring from Bush’s incompetence?

                    Dr. Roberts, a former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former Contributing Editor of National Review, was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during the Reagan administration. He is the author of The Supply-Side Revolution and, with Lawrence M. Stratton, of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow’s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.

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                    • Warham
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                      • Mar 2004
                      • 14589

                      #11
                      If Bush is impeached, then Cheney becomes president. What's that going to do for you libs? You think he's already running the show anyway.

                      And how would Republicans have started impeachment procedings against Nixon? The Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate back in '73.

                      Last edited by Warham; 11-12-2005, 06:03 PM.

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                      • DrMaddVibe
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                        #12
                        Wait for it....

                        They have some diabolical plan to hatch to unseat Cheney too!

                        BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!
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                        • FORD
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                          • Jan 2004
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                          #13
                          I'd say the odds of Cheney making it until 2008 are roughly about the same as the possibility of me voting for Hillary Clinton.

                          We know Fitzgerald is still on his ass for Treasongate. Scooter could always turn on him, and in either case, the stress of being held accountable for his crimes could either drive Uncle Dick to have "the Big One" or to "retire" for "Health Reasons". And this thing is lining up with Nixon's fall so well, that the departure of "Agnew" is almost a given.
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                          • DrMaddVibe
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                            • Jan 2004
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                            #14
                            Where's the "lies" ford?

                            Stay with us.
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                            • BigBadBrian
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                              • Jan 2004
                              • 10625

                              #15
                              Originally posted by FORD
                              I'd say the odds of Cheney making it until 2008 are roughly about the same as the possibility of me voting for Hillary Clinton.

                              Which puts Condi Rice or some other hot shot into the VP and then into the Oval Office if your little tin foil beanie plan hatches.

                              That's all you want...a well-liked incumbent for 2008 to run against Hillary.
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