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BigBadBrian
11-12-2005, 07:06 PM
Talk host's towering rant: S.F. not worth saving
Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, November 11, 2005


Conservative talk-show host Bill O'Reilly is ready to scratch San Francisco off the map of the United States. Gone. Coit Tower? Terrorists can blow it up, and the rest of the country shouldn't care.

The Fox News talk-show host and one-man conservative media juggernaut has concluded that the United States and San Francisco just don't go together anymore. Voting to oppose military recruitment in public schools and to ban handgun ownership, as San Franciscans did Tuesday, means the city should be cut off from federal dollars. And then some.

"You know, if I'm the president of the United States, I walk right into Union Square, I set up my little presidential podium and I say, 'Listen, citizens of San Francisco, if you vote against military recruiting, you're not going to get another nickel in federal funds,' " O'Reilly said Tuesday on his radio show as San Franciscans were approving the two measures. Perhaps, he didn't realize that he'd be speaking mostly to foreign tourists and suburbanites if he were standing in Union Square.

"Fine. You want to be your own country? Go right ahead," O'Reilly went on. "And if al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead."

San Franciscans might be offended by this invitation, or perhaps even threatened, if more of them visited Coit Tower.

On a cool gray Thursday afternoon, the San Francisco landmark was filled, as usual, with tourists from Ohio, Texas and other states where TV's "The O'Reilly Factor" and its syndicated radio companion, "The Radio Factor," pull better ratings than in San Francisco.

When visitors were told of O'Reilly's remarks, several had the same question: "Why would he say that?"

The few locals found at the tower had another: "Who's Bill O'Reilly again?"

Those familiar with O'Reilly tried to put the comment in context.

"The man is a sensationalist fool," said Paul Hickey, a 76-year-old visiting from Texas.

"He's irritating," said his wife, Judy Hickey, 67.

Others interpreted the remark as O'Reilly's trademark brand of hyperbole. His mastery of this form of entertainment has made him a best-selling author and top-rated talk-show host.

"I just think he's blowing wind," said Jim Adelman, 64, visiting from Ohio.

Reaction came swiftly from City Hall, which has taken other arrows in the aftermath of Tuesday's election. Thursday on KNEW-AM -- O'Reilly's Bay Area radio home -- conservative talk-show host Jeff Katz ripped handgun-measure supporters on San Francisco's "Board of Stupidadvisors."

Board of, uh, Supervisors President Aaron Peskin, whose district includes Coit Tower, suggested that O'Reilly should get his head examined.

"It sounds like he's on the same medication Rush Limbaugh is addicted to, and he should go see a therapist,'' Peskin said.

Mayor Gavin Newsom said, "I've never been impressed with what he's had to say, and I'm not impressed now. Consider the source. Remember, this is the guy who wanted me arrested after (San Francisco sanctioned same-sex marriages last year). He never let his opinion get in the way of the facts."

Imagine if O'Reilly had read the plaque on the front of Coit Tower, which describes its benefactor and namesake, Lillie Hitchcock Coit, as a woman "who smoked cigars and often dressed as a man to gamble in North Beach saloons."

Then again, Coit Tower fans should not feel special about being singled out. This isn't the first time O'Reilly has discussed the destruction of a famous building on the air with an aural twinkle in his eye.

In September, a couple of weeks after Hurricane Katrina damaged the Gulf Coast, O'Reilly used the natural disaster to poke fun at one of his favorite targets, the United Nations.

"Bush addressed the U.N., says he wants to be steadfast in battling terrorism," O'Reilly said on his radio show. "I'm sure all the U.N. people fell asleep. They don't really care about anything over there at all. I just wish Katrina had only hit the United Nations building, nothing else. Just flooded them out. And I wouldn't have rescued them."

After United Nations Foundation President Timothy Wirth asked O'Reilly to apologize, the talk-show host replied with an on-the-air primer on the radio biz:

"Well, apparently Tim Wirth has never listened to talk radio," O'Reilly said. "So I will speak very slowly to him. It was a jest, sir. We exaggerate on the radio.

"Wise up."

Efforts to reach O'Reilly through Fox News on Thursday were unsuccessful.

At least one liberal media watchdog group was offended by O'Reilly's Coit Tower remark. Media Matters for America President David Brock said, "He's encouraging terrorist attacks. It's over the top."

But isn't O'Reilly allowed the same type of latitude that liberals have said other entertainers should be afforded?

Shortly after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, comedian Bill Maher was criticized by White House officials for saying, "We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly." Maher apologized, and his public hushing by the White House made him a favorite of Bush-bashers.

"Yes, there are people saying things like that, like Bill Maher and 'The Daily Show,' but if you look at O'Reilly, his show is presented as a 'no spin zone,' " Brock said. "People take it seriously."

Those people include Brock's group, which records every minute of O'Reilly's programs. Is that one of those entry-level jobs where you pay your dues?

"No," Brock said, "but maybe it should be."
Link (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/11/MNGFMFMNV41.DTL)

Satan
11-12-2005, 07:11 PM
Why aren't Pat Robertson and Bill O Reilly in the Gitmo Concentration camp for openly promoting terrorism?

Hardrock69
11-12-2005, 08:51 PM
Good point. O'Reilly definitely is promoting terrism.

Pat wants to assassinate everyone.

That worthless fuck.

I hope he gets run over by a train or something.

Nitro Express
11-13-2005, 12:47 AM
San Fransisco has been left of center since the gold rush. It's the nature of the place.

I believe in freedom of speech. If someone can censor Bill O Riley then they can censor you.

As this terror and cultural war continues, the one thing we must watch out for is that we don't slit our own throats trying to take the rights of those we don't like away.

Satan
11-13-2005, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by Nitro Express
San Fransisco has been left of center since the gold rush. It's the nature of the place.

I believe in freedom of speech. If someone can censor Bill O Riley then they can censor you.

As this terror and cultural war continues, the one thing we must watch out for is that we don't slit our own throats trying to take the rights of those we don't like away.

But you will remember that with freedom of speech comes with the reasonable bounds of not yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater, except in Hell, where that would be normal.

It was just as irresponsible to do what O'Reilly did, by inviting Al Qaeda to attack an American city.

If one of the Air America radio personalities had told Al Qaeda to bomb the White House, or Crawford Texas, the Secret Service probably would shut the entire network down within the hour. But FAUX, the propaganda arm of PNAC, gets a free pass. As does Pat Robertson, who makes a new threat every week lately.

What they do goes beyond freedom of speech.

Hardrock69
11-13-2005, 02:55 AM
Well said.

Nickdfresh
11-13-2005, 10:58 AM
Sounds like O'Reilly needs a shower session with his jerk-off mit...

Oh wait, he IS A JERK-OFF MIT!

Big Train
11-13-2005, 11:23 AM
I;m not a talk radio person at all (FREE FM...oh the irony), but from what I gather reading above, it seems like he is advocating secession more than he is terrorism.

He has a real ideological problem with San Francisco, as a lot of America does. The terrorism comment was stupid yes, but did it "cross a line" to me. Not really.

However, I can understand how some can feel that way. When it's "your guy" (And Oreilly aint mine), you defend his right to say what he wants to say. When it's their guy, he should be burned at the stake.

And the game goes on...

DrMaddVibe
11-13-2005, 12:20 PM
What I find amazing is the few that think O'Reilly speaks for ANYONE!

Now THAT'S power!

DLR'sCock
11-13-2005, 01:56 PM
San Fran is one of the best cities in the country. So it's ok for this fucking moronic asshole, who is so full of himself to say that it's kool for Al-Qaeda to blow up San Fran, but everyone who has been against the Invasion of Iraq, and has been proven right so far on everything, all of these people are Anti-American?


I love the consistent hypocrisy of the Right Wing Whack Jobs, what a bucnh of fucking nuts. Of course the case of old Billy boy is dangersous.



So it's ok for Bill O'Reilly to openly promote the murder of potentially millions of American citizens?????

And you guys back this shit up?

Really fucked...

Nitro Express
11-13-2005, 06:51 PM
The point I was making was people go overboard wanting to censor the people they don't like. I mean we might not like the Ku Klux Klan or Neo Nazis having a public rally or a parade but if we ban them from free speech who's next? Some blame the book The Turner Diaries for influencing Timothy McViegh's terrorist act but who's book is next?

Free speech means giving people the freedom to make an ass of themselves and hoping people are smart enough to see through the bullshit.

Holy hell, when people want the govt. to censor what offends us then they don't get the concept at all.

Let Bill speak. If you don't like him, turn the channel.

BigBadBrian
11-13-2005, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
Well said.

No, it was not well said, and it was moronic of you to imply it was. :)

Go listen to that cunt Randi Rhodes for a "balanced" viewpoint of spew from the Lunatic Left.

:gulp:

DLR'sCock
11-13-2005, 10:13 PM
Ummmm his free speech is dangerous, and why hasn't he been investigated or even arrested for making Terroristic supporting threats against the citizens of the US yet? Where is the FBI, why isn't this real news itself?


O'Reilley is such a piece of shit.

Satan
11-13-2005, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
No, it was not well said, and it was moronic of you to imply it was. :)

Go listen to that cunt Randi Rhodes for a "balanced" viewpoint of spew from the Lunatic Left.

:gulp:

Can you quote even one example of Randi Rhodes saying anything that advocates Al Qaeda destroying a large US city, or the assassination of an elected head of state (as Pat Robertson has done)?

Big Train
11-14-2005, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by DLR'sCock
Ummmm his free speech is dangerous, and why hasn't he been investigated or even arrested for making Terroristic supporting threats against the citizens of the US yet?

Is there even such a thing? I can see someone making "supporting statements" for terrorist or their causes, or "threats" of action by himself or others in a terrorist group.

I don't see that he did either in this case.

If anything, he seems to be advocating the threat of letting SF stand on it's own and having the US stand down. The theat of "inaction".

BigBadBrian
11-14-2005, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Satan
Can you quote even one example of Randi Rhodes saying anything that advocates Al Qaeda destroying a large US city, or the assassination of an elected head of state (as Pat Robertson has done)?

The traitorous cunt advocated the murder of OUR head of state:

“The Fredo of the family is the president of the United States, so why doesn’t his father or his brother … take him out for a little fishing, and let him say some Hail Marys – he loves God so much. … You know, Hail Mary, full of grace, God is with thee – pow [gunshot sound] – works for me.”

thome
11-14-2005, 05:37 PM
The Scope of this thread is about O'Reilly.

Seems to me the Issue is the frisco'ins,
voted by 60% to outlaw recruitment speakers from the city.

If i went to Frisco and ran a seminar about" Muslim Hatred of America
in Refference to Recruitment To Raise a Army To Start a War Against
America".

If this was the title, it would be perfectly Legal. Yes/No?

So how can it not be legal to Freely Speak about the American Military
in Reff, to Recruitment, this is a free speech Issue Yes/No?

What Bill is asking, are the frisco'ins also going to require that said
military support them in time of crisis?Yes /No.?

Mr. Vengeance
11-14-2005, 06:53 PM
O'Reilly...one more person who should just be put to sleep. Racist republican prick.

DLR'sCock
11-14-2005, 07:29 PM
O'Reilley is a traitorous piece fo shit cunt that supports the murders of thousands if not millions of innocent children, women, and men who are US citizens.


That kind of talk only asks for karma to come creeping around the corner.

FORD
11-14-2005, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
The traitorous cunt advocated the murder of OUR head of state:

“The Fredo of the family is the president of the United States, so why doesn’t his father or his brother … take him out for a little fishing, and let him say some Hail Marys – he loves God so much. … You know, Hail Mary, full of grace, God is with thee – pow [gunshot sound] – works for me.”

Did you hear this yourself, or read it on NewsHax?

I listen to Randi all the time, and I never heard her say that.

Besides, IF this is authentic, she's not saying SHE would shoot the Chimp. She's saying Poppy or Jeb might. And I think Bill Casey, Salem Bin Laden, Lee Harvey Oswald, and dozens of others who have done business with this particular crime family would probably agree, if you could ask them.

ELVIS
11-14-2005, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by DLR'sCock
And you guys back this shit up?



I don't...

I don't have cable...

I don't watch TV...

I don't listen to Bill O'Reilly on the radio...

I have yet to even read this thread...

FORD
11-14-2005, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by thome
The Scope of this thread is about O'Reilly.

Seems to me the Issue is the frisco'ins,
voted by 60% to outlaw recruitment speakers from the city.

If i went to Frisco and ran a seminar about" Muslim Hatred of America
in Refference to Recruitment To Raise a Army To Start a War Against
America".

If this was the title, it would be perfectly Legal. Yes/No?

So how can it not be legal to Freely Speak about the American Military
in Reff, to Recruitment, this is a free speech Issue Yes/No?

What Bill is asking, are the frisco'ins also going to require that said
military support them in time of crisis?Yes /No.?

The problem with the military recruiting is the way Junior has deliberately tied it to his No Child Left Alive "education" program. In other words, if schools don't volunteer the names and phone numbers of every student in their school, they get cut off.

It's certainly arguable that the military should be allowed the same access to recruit at a high school as any other prospective employer or college, in an appropriate setting, such as a "career day" or something of that nature. In this way, those who are interested in a military option can volunteer to listen to their sales pitch, and make arrangements to sign up after graduation, should that be their choice.

However, the BCE scam gives them the ability to start grooming children in grade school, with access that nobody else has. And believe me, some of these military recruiters are so slick they can rival any used car salesman or telemarketer on the planet.

And in the context of a car salesman, if you were told from the age of 6 fucking years old that the AMC Gremlin was absolutely the best car on the planet and that you would be a damn fool to ever consider any other car. If that message was pounded into your head repeatedly until the day you turned 18..... what car do you think you would be driving right now?

It's an unfair playing field at best. And by making it mandatory in order to fund schools, it becomes dictatorial. The public school system was never intended to be military prep school.

ELVIS
11-14-2005, 08:16 PM
You're a sick individual...

thome
11-14-2005, 08:49 PM
Ford, I am not all the way up on this, have been picking up info bits
-left and rite-.If your saying something about funding being cut off
to schools or increased, thru recruitment, thats just wrong.

Yes recruiters get a bonus if the- Sale- is made.I always thought that was wrong.(car sales reff.)

And if the military is recruiting or even talking- Other -than career day
In -GRADE SCHOOLS- under 7th grade thats just blatantly stupid.

This world is rough and kids shouldn't be pussified, but lets, let them
have a -CHILDHOOD- there's plenty of time for the horrors of adulthood, later, in adulthood.

But the frisco'ins have really pushed the buttons of free speech.