Floyd Roses

[Jahuli]

Bring all ur Floyd Rose questins here:

[Jahuli]

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[Jahuli]

ill start:
When u have a non-recessed floyd rose, can u still bring it up, or can u only pull up on it when it is recessed?

[ashstralia]

man, you've done this already.here. (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27172&highlight=floyd+rose)

:confused:

[Jahuli]

Originally posted by ashstralia
man, you've done this already.here. (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27172&highlight=floyd+rose)

:confused:


yeah , i know.
But i wasnt completley satisfied.
Also this is for any questions about floyds by other people as well.

[Eyes of the Night]

Originally posted by Jahuli
ill start:
When u have a non-recessed floyd rose, can u still bring it up, or can u only pull up on it when it is recessed?

Yes you can, just raise the 2 screws on the bridge then even it out with the springs on the back ...

Make sure everthing is unlocked ... I raised mine 1 1/2 notes ... fookin wails man! Screams I tell ya ...

[jhale667]

Raising the bridge screws will jack your action up...just loosen the springs in the back until the bridge tilt is within the upward range you're looking for (1/2 step, full-step, whatever)...you'll probably have to re-intonate.....

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Jahuli
Bring all ur Floyd Rose questins here:

Why, you think you're smart enough to answer them ??

[Jahuli]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Why, you think you're smart enough to answer them ??

No , not at all, but i know u guys can.

[ASDF125250]

So I was talking with lauren the other day and the subject of inatimate sex toys came up. I had just found the bar to my floyd rose and that got me thinking...

Lets say the bar was up your...uh..."exit hole", with a little hot sauce on the tip, and you started hitting the strings creating vibrations...

Would you be gay if you liked it? Not that I would know. :eek:

On a different note, do you really need the bar that goes up by the headstock and presses the strings down before it goes into the locking nut because my Charvel does not have one.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ASDF125250
On a different note, do you really need the bar that goes up by the headstock and presses the strings down before it goes into the locking nut because my Charvel does not have one.

...If your Charvel has the pointy headstock, the angle is great enough that the retainer bar is not necessary.

[Coyote]

Two or three springs in the back?

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Coyote
Two or three springs in the back?


Totally personal preference. I use three in a triangular configuration.

[Eyes of the Night]

Originally posted by Coyote
Two or three springs in the back?

Yes ...

[Coyote]

Gracias guys.

[Eyes of the Night]

grassyass ...

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Coyote
Gracias guys.


...I'm here to help....:rolleyes:

[Jahuli]

point is:
can i still wail and pull up if its not recessed?
(from whats been said so far im thinking yes, if so thats awesome)

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Jahuli
point is:
can i still wail and pull up if its not recessed?
(from whats been said so far im thinking yes, if so thats awesome)

Like I said...yes you can....it's all in the bridge angle adjustment; the range won't be as extreme as a recessed unit, but you can still accommodate a half-step plus...

[ELVIS]

It also depends on how high the bridge is from the body at the pivot points...

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ELVIS
It also depends on how high the bridge is from the body at the pivot points...


True, but too high with those and the action gets painfully high....:rolleyes:

[Jahuli]

Can u still get really low action with a non-recessed floyd rose?

[ASDF125250]

Yes. Low profile and low action are different things. You don't want action too low anyways or you will get fret buzz from hell.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ASDF125250
Yes. Low profile and low action are different things. You don't want action too low anyways or you will get fret buzz from hell.

What he said! :D

[doctor roth]

Originally posted by Coyote
Two or three springs in the back?

Depends on what string gauges ya use. If you use like 9's to 42's ya may only need 2. More will pull the bridge down too much and it wont "float" parallel to the body. You will only be able to 'dive' (create low notes) and the range of the higher notes you can create using you trem will be greatly deminished.

i like using heavy strings and 4 springs (ive got a strat with a floyd rose in it). It allows you to 'man handle' the guitar a little. Lighter strings make it easier to pull up and down but it makes it too loose and you can loose the full range of the dives, ie you go down too quickly. rounting out the body is the way to go. That way you dont loose range or compromise a nice action !!

[Jahuli]

Originally posted by doctor roth
rounting out the body is the way to go. That way you dont loose range or compromise a nice action !!

Yeah , but then u cant have a d-tuna!

[doctor roth]

Originally posted by Coyote
Two or three springs in the back?

Depends on what string gauges ya use. If you use like 9's to 42's ya may only need 2. More will pull the bridge down too much and it wont "float" parallel to the body. You will only be able to 'dive' (create low notes) and the range of the higher notes you can create using you trem will be greatly deminished.

i like using heavy strings and 4 springs (ive got a strat with a floyd rose in it). It allows you to 'man handle' the guitar a little. Lighter strings make it easier to pull up and down but it makes it too loose and you can loose the full range of the dives, ie you go down too quickly. rounting out the body is the way to go. That way you dont loose range or compromise a nice action !!

Its something you've gotta play with a little. As has been said earlier, if you're looking for those extreme vai like pitches, a non recessed body wont be able to do what you want i to.

[doctor roth]

Originally posted by Jahuli
Yeah , but then u cant have a d-tuna!

Your right. Getting it set up as well is the key. Look at how vai and satch hammer the hell out of their bridges. Ive seen their live shows and they dont go out too quickly. They do play ibanez and they have goooooood trem systems in em

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Jahuli
Yeah , but then u cant have a d-tuna! supposedly the D-tuna will work on a recessed Floyd if a Tremsetter is used. Though for the full upward range you'd probably need to alter the cavity route to accommodate it....

[doctor roth]

sorry mis read the response. thought you said 'but then you can have a d-tuna, as in they loose their tunig easily.

yup thats one of the things about floating briges. Ya just need 10 axes for all your tunings etc.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by doctor roth
sorry mis read the response. thought you said 'but then you can have a d-tuna, as in they loose their tunig easily.

yup thats one of the things about floating briges. Ya just need 10 axes for all your tunings etc.


THAT is a pain in the ass. I did a tech gig once where it was 2 guitarists and a bassist and they used 4 different tunings, with one instrument per tuning with a backup (do the math..ow!). One of the guitarists had floating Floyd-types (7-strings, to boot). NIGHTMARE. I should've charged them double! LOL

[doctor roth]

I've never really read much into the trem setter before. I douubt it does all it sqays it can. I hope im wrong. Anyone here used one ??? If so are they worth a try ??

[Jahuli]

i dont even know what a tremsetter is!

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Jahuli
i dont even know what a tremsetter is!

Basically, it's a set-screw type device that replaces your center tremolo spring. You set it to a fixed position, and (in theory) your bridge returns to that point regardless of how agressively you use the bar (you've still got to stretch the strings properly, mind you), or even if you break a string. Somebody gave me 3 or 4 of them, but I've yet to install it in any of my guitars....:rolleyes:

[Eyes of the Night]

Originally posted by Jahuli
Yeah , but then u cant have a d-tuna!

True, thing is on my wolfy I play dropped D all the time anyway so not having the dtuna wasn't that big of a deal ...

[Jahuli]

How does the non-recessed floyd roses compare to the normal strat tremolo?

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Jahuli
How does the non-recessed floyd roses compare to the normal strat tremolo?

Night and day. Even a non-recessed Floyd, when set up properly, will have a range far exceeding a regular Strat trem. And the tuning stability can't be beat.

[Eyes of the Night]

I've been trying to "properly set up" my floating trem for a year now ...

Not kowing actually to the T how to dial her in I get about 85% setup which is fine for me ...

[ELVIS]

My favorite tremolo is a Fender American Standard...

They stay in tune just fine with a little know how...


:elvis:

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Eyes
I've been trying to "properly set up" my floating trem for a year now ...

Not kowing actually to the T how to dial her in I get about 85% setup which is fine for me ...

...If I can find the link at home tonight, I'll post a "Care and Feeding of the Floyd Rose" article I have...very helpful.

I like American Std. Trems too, but you've gotta have locking tuners!

[Eyes of the Night]

That would be cool to have ... preciate it broham

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Eyes
That would be cool to have ... preciate it broham

Hey, I do what I can...;)

[Coyote]

Which is better, an actual Floyd Rose or a Schaller Floyd?

[Eyes of the Night]

Flizoyd by a mile ... although I've never had a schizaller;) ...

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Coyote
Which is better, an actual Floyd Rose or a Schaller Floyd?


I prefer the original Floyd. The Schaller's aren't shit, mind you---there's just subtle differences due to patent infringement and whatnot....

[Coyote]

Kinda figured... I'm just thinkin' 'bout replacing the floyd on my jackson.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Coyote
Kinda figured... I'm just thinkin' 'bout replacing the floyd on my jackson.


...It probably has a 'licensed' version on it. Check with your local repairman, but you should be able to swap it out for either...

[Coyote]

Originally posted by jhale667
...It probably has a 'licensed' version on it. Check with your local repairman, but you should be able to swap it out for either...

Jackson Pro Series-axes all have a license floyd, if memory serves me correctly. My Dinky ain't no exception...

[jhale667]

...Then there ya go....;)

[Coyote]

...soon as I rack up enough cash, that is...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by jhale667

I like American Std. Trems too, but you've gotta have locking tuners!

Nah...

I use the vintage F tuners with the hole down the middle...

If you string those correctly they work grate and look cool!

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Nah...

I use the vintage F tuners with the hole down the middle...

If you string those correctly they work grate and look cool!


You're insane ( I keed, I keed!) ;) . I always found those to be kind of a pain in the ass...I've got locking Gotohs on both of my 'traditional'-type Strats, and they work great...

[ELVIS]

And they look dumb...:)

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ELVIS
And they look dumb...:)

Ah, not the Gotohs...from the front, they look like regular tuners...they just have a little thumbscrew on the housing in the back that locks the string down....:rolleyes:

[ELVIS]

I know what they look like...

I clearly remember throwing them in the garbage...

No, not true...:D

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ELVIS
I know what they look like...

I clearly remember throwing them in the garbage...

No, not true...:D

....You sure you're not thinking of Sperzels? Now THOSE are ugly!

[jhale667]

Oops, my bad, they're Schallers! That's what I have, sorry.

[ELVIS]

Yes the Schallers look nice...

Actually I was thinking of some for one of my American Strats...

I have one with the factory tuners that has a tuning problem on one string no matter what...

Not so with the vintage tuners...

[jhale667]

It's the American Deluxe that comes with the locking schallers, huh? Not the std.....I'd recommend them if you're having that problem...which string is it? I'm betting the 'G', right? They always hang up...hey, don't take this the wrong way, but....what are you lubricating your nuts with? LOL! (or do yours have the roller nut?)

[ELVIS]

Dura lube engine treatment...

The best stuff in the world!


Seriously...


:elvis:

[jhale667]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Dura lube engine treatment...

The best stuff in the world!


Seriously...


:elvis:

NO shit?!?! :D I'll try that...why not? I've tried Graphite, 3-in-1 oil (got that from another EVH article)....close, but not as good as locking nut..

[ELVIS]

$13 a quart at Wal-Mart...

Put some in a small bottle and put the rest in your engine...:D

It's the best stuff in the world for scratchy pots...

My brother turned me onto it, and he's turned some local tech's onto it...

It really works...


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

It really does what it says too...

I think...

I've been a hobbyist mechanic forever...


http://www.duralube.com/images/items/advanced_engine_250.jpg


:elvis:

[jhale667]

Good to know! Thanks!

[ELVIS]

I ues a syrenge to use it...

One little bottle will last forever...

[Jahuli]

This thread should be stickied

[jhale667]

Oh, and I found to the web page with the set-up article http://www.eastonguitars.com/WWW/TPS/floyd_setup.htm


who knew?

[Eyes of the Night]

Niiice!!!! ...

I owe you one 667 ...

[Eyes of the Night]

I don't get this though ... wtf? That looks fugly ... Why does EVH have only 3 springs? ...

http://www.eastonguitars.com/WWW/TPS/TechTipImages/images/setup12.jpg

[Eyes of the Night]

If you're using .008 or .009 gauge strings, use 2 to 3 springs.




That's why ...

[jhale667]

I use .010s and three springs...no problems.