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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    Spanish at school translates to suspension

    Spanish at school translates to suspension
    Controversy caused by Kansas City incident reflects national debate
    By T.R. Reid
    The Washington Post
    Updated: 6:36 a.m. ET Dec. 9, 2005

    KANSAS CITY, Kan. - Most of the time, 16-year-old Zach Rubio converses in clear, unaccented American teen-speak, a form of English in which the three most common words are "like," "whatever" and "totally." But Zach is also fluent in his dad's native language, Spanish -- and that's what got him suspended from school.

    "It was, like, totally not in the classroom," the high school junior said, recalling the infraction. "We were in the, like, hall or whatever, on restroom break. This kid I know, he's like, 'Me prestas un dolar?' ['Will you lend me a dollar?'] Well, he asked in Spanish; it just seemed natural to answer that way. So I'm like, 'No problema.' "

    But that conversation turned out to be a big problem for the staff at the Endeavor Alternative School, a small public high school in an ethnically mixed blue-collar neighborhood. A teacher who overheard the two boys sent Zach to the office, where Principal Jennifer Watts ordered him to call his father and leave the school.

    Watts, whom students describe as a disciplinarian, said she can't discuss the case. But in a written "discipline referral" explaining her decision to suspend Zach for 1 1/2 days, she noted: "This is not the first time we have [asked] Zach and others to not speak Spanish at school."

    Since then, the suspension of Zach Rubio has become the talk of the town in both English and Spanish newspapers and radio shows. The school district has officially rescinded his punishment and said that speaking a foreign language is not grounds for suspension. Meanwhile, the Rubio family has retained a lawyer, who says a civil rights lawsuit may be in the offing.

    National debate

    The tension here surrounding that brief exchange in a high school hall reflects a broader national debate over the language Americans should speak amid a wave of Hispanic immigration.

    The National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group, says that 20 percent of the U.S. school-age population is Latino. For half of those Latino students, the native language is Spanish.

    Conflicts are bursting out nationwide over bilingual education, "English-only" laws, Spanish-language publications and advertising, and other linguistic collisions. Language concerns have been a key aspect of the growing political movement to reduce immigration.

    "There's a lot of backlash against the increasing Hispanic population," said D.C. school board member Victor A. Reinoso. "We've seen some of it in the D.C. schools. You see it in some cities, where people complain that their tax money shouldn't be used to print public notices in Spanish. And there have been cases where schools want to ban foreign languages."

    Some advocates of an English-only policy in U.S. schools say that it is particularly important for students from immigrant families to use the nation's dominant language.

    California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) made that point this summer when he vetoed a bill authorizing various academic subjects to be tested in Spanish in the state's public schools. "As an immigrant," the Austrian-born governor said, "I know the importance of mastering English as quickly and as comprehensively as possible."

    Hispanic groups generally agree with that, but they emphasize the value of a multilingual citizenry. "A fully bilingual young man like Zach Rubio should be considered an asset to the community," said Janet Murguia, national president of La Raza.

    Broad influence

    The influx of immigrants has reached every corner of the country -- even here in Kansas City, which is about as far as a U.S. town can be from a border. Along Southwest Boulevard, a main street through some of the older neighborhoods, there are blocks where almost every shop and restaurant has signs written in Spanish.

    "Most people, they don't care where you're from," said Zach's father, Lorenzo Rubio, a native of Veracruz, Mexico, who has lived in Kansas City for a quarter-century. "But sometimes, when they hear my accent, I get this, sort of, 'Why don't you go back home?' "

    Rubio, a U.S. citizen, credits U.S. immigration law for his decision to fight his son's suspension.

    "You can't just walk in and become a citizen," he said. "They make you take this government test. I studied for that test, and I learned that in America, they can't punish you unless you violate a written policy."

    Rubio said he remembered that lesson on Nov. 28, when he received a call from Endeavor Alternative saying his son had been suspended.

    "So I went to the principal and said, 'My son, he's not suspended for fighting, right? He's not suspended for disrespecting anyone. He's suspended for speaking Spanish in the hall?' So I asked her to show me the written policy about that. But they didn't have one."

    Rubio then called the superintendent of the Turner Unified School District, which operates the school. The district immediately rescinded Zach's suspension, local media reported. The superintendent did not respond to several requests to comment for this article.

    Since then, the issue of speaking Spanish in the hall has not been raised at the school, Zach said. "I know it would be, like, disruptive if I answered in Spanish in the classroom. I totally don't do that. But outside of class now, the teachers are like, 'Whatever.' "

    For Zach's father, and for the Hispanic organizations that have expressed concern, the suspension is not a closed case. "Obviously they've violated his civil rights," said Chuck Chionuma, a lawyer in Kansas City, Mo., who is representing the Rubio family. "We're studying what form of legal redress will correct the situation."

    Said Rubio: "I'm mainly doing this for other Mexican families, where the legal status is kind of shaky and they are afraid to speak up. Punished for speaking Spanish? Somebody has to stand up and say: This is wrong."

    © 2005 The Washington Post Company

    © 2005 MSNBC.com

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  • Hardrock69
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    • Feb 2005
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    #2
    If you want to come to America to live, SPEAK ENGLISH OR DIE MOTHERFUCKER!

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    • Pink Spider
      Sniper
      • Jan 2004
      • 867

      #3
      Well, I don't see anything wrong with speaking Spanish outside of class. So, it doesn't sound like a big deal to me.

      Although, it makes sense to learn English too if you want to fully communicate in the US. I'm willing to believe that most immigrants do learn English. There's just a few that don't that get all the attention.

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      • FORD
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        • Jan 2004
        • 58754

        #4
        Originally posted by Hardrock69
        If you want to come to America to live, SPEAK ENGLISH OR DIE MOTHERFUCKER!
        God damn it, you were supposed to let one of the Busheep make the irrational racist argument!
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        • Guitar Shark
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          • Jan 2004
          • 7576

          #5
          It seems to me that there is a difference between speaking Spanish outside the classroom versus inside the classroom. Maybe there's something else going on here, but this seems pretty ridiculous to me.
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          Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
          Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58754

            #6
            Originally posted by Pink Spider
            Well, I don't see anything wrong with speaking Spanish outside of class. So, it doesn't sound like a big deal to me.

            Although, it makes sense to learn English too if you want to fully communicate in the US. I'm willing to believe that most immigrants do learn English. There's just a few that don't that get all the attention.
            That's not the deal here though.

            The kid, Zach, is an American citizen and a native English speaker who also happens to speak fluent Spanish because his father was a (legal) immigrant (also now a citizen)

            Since the article says nothing about the other kid being penalized for speaking Spanish, we can assume he spoke English while at school as well. Though I would guess his native language is Spanish, and was more comfortable asking Zach a question in Spanish.

            I was under the impression that they still taught foreign languages in high school, and therefore you would think that being bilingual would be considered an asset.

            Maybe that's not the case in KKKansas?
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            • Pink Spider
              Sniper
              • Jan 2004
              • 867

              #7
              Originally posted by FORD
              That's not the deal here though.

              The kid, Zach, is an American citizen and a native English speaker who also happens to speak fluent Spanish because his father was a (legal) immigrant (also now a citizen.
              I know that. I was just trying to put some sense into this thread before it went to pieces and started getting more of the "go back to Mexico" crap. It's not hard to figure out what goes through the mind of your average Republican voter or whomever.
              Last edited by Pink Spider; 12-09-2005, 01:48 PM.

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                God damn it, you were supposed to let one of the Busheep make the irrational racist argument!
                The problem is, you're not kidding...

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                • jhale667
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                  • Aug 2004
                  • 20929

                  #9
                  They were conversing OUTSIDE of class?!?! What's the F*ing problem? They can't have a private conversation? WTF? Strange.....
                  Originally posted by conmee
                  If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                  That is all.

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                  Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                  I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                  Originally posted by Isaac R.
                  Then it's really true??:eek:

                  The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                  OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                  Originally posted by eddie78
                  I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                  • kentuckyklira
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                    • Sep 2004
                    • 1770

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Hardrock69
                    If you want to come to America to live, SPEAK ENGLISH OR DIE MOTHERFUCKER!
                    Well, then kick out all the orthodox Jews!
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                    • Guitar Shark
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7576

                      #11
                      Originally posted by kentuckyklira
                      Well, then kick out all the orthodox Jews!
                      Not to mention ebonics users...
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                      Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                      Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                      • kentuckyklira
                        Veteran
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 1770

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                        Not to mention ebonics users...
                        And everybody who can´t pronounce "terrorists" and "nuclear"!
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                        • jhale667
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                          • Aug 2004
                          • 20929

                          #13
                          Originally posted by kentuckyklira
                          And everybody who can´t pronounce "terrorists" and "nuclear"!

                          LOL...."Terra"! And for the record, Ebonics, much like 'Spanglish' is a permutation of the lauguage...not a real one!
                          Last edited by jhale667; 12-09-2005, 06:01 PM.
                          Originally posted by conmee
                          If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                          That is all.

                          Icon.
                          Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                          I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                          Originally posted by Isaac R.
                          Then it's really true??:eek:

                          The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                          OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                          Originally posted by eddie78
                          I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                          • jhale667
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 20929

                            #14
                            And don't forget people who speak HICK....
                            Originally posted by conmee
                            If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                            That is all.

                            Icon.
                            Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                            I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                            Originally posted by Isaac R.
                            Then it's really true??:eek:

                            The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                            OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                            Originally posted by eddie78
                            I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                            • BigBadBrian
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 10620

                              #15
                              Originally posted by kentuckyklira
                              And everybody who can´t pronounce "terrorists" and "nuclear"!
                              That gets rid of Teddy Kennedy.

                              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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