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LoungeMachine
12-11-2005, 11:49 PM
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Last Updated: Friday, 9 December 2005, 17:55 GMT



Song sites face legal crackdown
By Ian Youngs
BBC News entertainment reporter



Unauthorised guitar tabs and other musical scores are widely available
The music industry is to extend its copyright war by taking legal action against websites offering unlicensed song scores and lyrics.
The Music Publishers' Association (MPA), which represents US sheet music companies, will launch its first campaign against such sites in 2006.

MPA president Lauren Keiser said he wanted site owners to be jailed.

He said unlicensed guitar tabs and song scores were widely available on the internet but were "completely illegal".

Mr Keiser said he did not just want to shut websites and impose fines, saying if authorities can "throw in some jail time I think we'll be a little more effective".

Bitter battles

The move comes after several years of bitter legal battles against unauthorised services allowing users to download recordings for free.

Publishing companies have taken action against websites in the past, but this will be the first co-ordinated legal campaign by the MPA.

The MPA would target "very big sites that people would think are legitimate and very, very popular", Mr Keiser said.

"The Xerox machine was the big usurper of our potential income," he said. "But now the internet is taking more of a bite out of sheet music and printed music sales so we're taking a more proactive stance."

Music publishers and songwriters will consider all tools under the law to stop this illegal behaviour

David Israelite
National Music Publishers' Association
David Israelite, president of the National Music Publishers' Association, added his concerns.

"Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing," he said.

"Music publishers and songwriters will consider all tools under the law to stop this illegal behaviour."

Sandro del Greco, who runs Tabhall.co.uk, said the issue was not serious enough to warrant jail time and sites like his were not necessarily depriving publishers of income.

Learn

"I play the drums mainly but I play the guitar as well. I run the website and I still buy the [tab] books," he said.

"The tabs online aren't deadly accurate so if someone really wants to know it they'll buy the book.

"But most of the bands I listen to don't have tab books to buy so if you get them online, that's the only way you can really learn it unless you work it out yourself."

The campaign comes after lyric-finding software PearLyrics was forced off the internet by a leading music publishing company, Warner Chappell.

'No alternative'

PearLyrics worked with Apple's iTunes, searching the internet to find lyrics for songs in a user's collection.

"I just don't see why PearLyrics should infringe the copyright of Warner Chappell because all I'm doing is searching publicly-available websites," PearLyrics developer Walter Ritter said.

"It would be different if they had an alternative service that also provided lyrics online and also integrated [with iTunes] like PearLyrics did.

"But they don't offer anything like that at all."

Warner Chappell were unavailable for comment.

LoungeMachine
12-12-2005, 12:28 AM
First they came for the Napster
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Napster
Then they came for the Pornographers
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Pornographer
Then they came for the Tab and Lyric Traders
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Tab and Lyric Trader
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


-Lounge Machine

Mr Badguy
12-12-2005, 08:35 AM
This is bollocks.

I rarely use tab sites unless it`s for something that I can`t work out for myself, I prefer to use my ears to learn a song on guitar.

Does that mean they`ll go after people like me next?

"You`ve learned to play that song and now you owe us money."?

Shite.

Once a song is released it becomes public property.

Yes, I agree that they should chase up royalties from any users of the actual recording such as downloads, radio stations, TV etc. but the lyrics and music should be available to anyone, as long as they aren`t ripping them off on their own recordings.

They`ll be charging you for singing in the shower next.

Alex Mogilny
12-12-2005, 10:06 AM
this is amazing. i wonder where it will all end?

DavidLeeNatra
12-12-2005, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy
This is bollocks.

I rarely use tab sites unless it`s for something that I can`t work out for myself, I prefer to use my ears to learn a song on guitar.

Does that mean they`ll go after people like me next?

"You`ve learned to play that song and now you owe us money."?

Shite.

Once a song is released it becomes public property.

Yes, I agree that they should chase up royalties from any users of the actual recording such as downloads, radio stations, TV etc. but the lyrics and music should be available to anyone, as long as they aren`t ripping them off on their own recordings.

They`ll be charging you for singing in the shower next.

amen to that!!! and a big LOL @ lounge :D

LoungeMachine
12-12-2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Mr Badguy

I rarely use tab sites .

:rolleyes: And you subscribe to Playboy for the Articles...;)


:D

DavidLeeNatra
12-12-2005, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
:rolleyes: And you subscribe to Playboy for the Articles...;)


:D

me? for the interviews... :D

Coyote
12-12-2005, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Alex Mogilny
this is amazing. i wonder where it will all end?

At worst, they'll make ALL things musical illegal some day.
On the other hand, the people might revolt...

Hard to say, 'cause I ain't Ms. Cleo. :D

But this isn't "amazing", it's "completely fuckin' daft".

Mr Badguy
12-12-2005, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
:rolleyes: And you subscribe to Playboy for the Articles...;)


:D

I`m dreading when you can`t get free porn on the net.

Imagine having to pay for it?

:D

FORD
12-12-2005, 09:18 PM
Complete and utter fucking fascist bullshit.

Fuck the corporate fascists in the ass, and then distribute the video of it on the net.....

FOR FREE, BITCHES!

Unchainme
12-12-2005, 09:28 PM
God what the fuck has happened, Whatever happened to when it was about the music, Y'know. BTW I am listening to one of Lounger's song which I downloaded Illegally, Hope he doesn't mind.

[15 Minutes Later Loungemachine appears at my House with the RIAA and tells me to come out of my house with my hands up.]

Last_Child
12-13-2005, 11:52 AM
Fucking MPA Fascists.

PHOENIX
12-13-2005, 12:35 PM
What a fucking greedy world we live in.

Soon they'll come after us for sharing a book with someone.

BITEYOASS
12-13-2005, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Alex Mogilny
this is amazing. i wonder where it will all end?

With the RIAA cunt-rag record companies going broke hopefully! I ask that everyone buy used CD's and download illegally, and only buy new music if it's from an independent label.