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  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21888

    Report of NSA Spying Prompts Call for Probe

    By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer 57 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON - A key Republican committee chairman put the Bush administration on notice Friday that his panel would hold hearings into a report that the National Security Agency eavesdropped without warrants on people inside the United States.
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    Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., said he would make oversight hearings by his panel next year "a very, very high priority."

    "There is no doubt that this is inappropriate," said Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican and chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

    Other key bipartisan members of Congress also called on the administration to explain and said a congressional investigation may be necessary.

    Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., appeared annoyed that the first he had heard of such a program was through a New York Times story published Friday. He said the report was troubling.

    Neither Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice nor White House press secretary Scott McClellan, asked about the story earlier Friday, would confirm or deny that the super-secret NSA had spied on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002.

    That year, following the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush authorized the NSA to monitor the international phone calls and international e-mails of hundreds $B!=(B perhaps thousands $B!=(B of people inside the United States, the Times reported.

    Before the program began, the NSA typically limited its domestic surveillance to foreign embassies and missions and obtained court orders for such investigations. Overseas, 5,000 to 7,000 people suspected of terrorist ties are monitored at one time.

    "We need to look into that," McCain told reporters at the White House after a meeting on
    Iraq with
    President Bush. "Theoretically, I obviously wouldn't like it. But I don't know the extent of it and I don't know enough about it to really make an informed comment. Ask me again in about a week."

    McCain said it's not clear whether a congressional probe is warranted. He said the topic had not come up in the meeting with Bush.

    "We should be informed as to exactly what is going on and then find out whether an investigation is called for," he said.

    Sen.
    Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., also said he needed more information.

    "Of course I was concerned about the story," said Lieberman, who also attended the White House Iraq meeting. "I'm going to go back to the office and see if I can find out more about it."

    Other Democrats were more harsh.

    "This is Big Brother run amok," declared Sen. Edward Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass. "We cannot protect our borders if we cannot protect our ideals." Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., called it a "shocking revelation" that he said "ought to send a chill down the spine of every senator and every American."

    Administration officials reacted to the report by asserting that the president has respected the Constitution while striving to protect the American people.

    Rice said Bush has "acted lawfully in every step that he has taken." And McClellan said Bush "is going to remain fully committed to upholding our Constitution and protect the civil liberties of the American people. And he has done both."

    The report surfaced in an untimely fashion as the administration and its GOP allies on Capitol Hill were fighting to save provisions of the expiring USA Patriot Act that they believe are key tools in the fight against terrorism.

    The Times said reporters interviewed nearly a dozen current and former administration officials about the program and granted them anonymity because of the classified nature of the program.

    Government officials credited the new program with uncovering several terrorist plots, including one by Iyman Faris, an Ohio trucker who pleaded guilty in 2003 to supporting al-Qaida by planning to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge, the report said.

    Faris' lawyer, David B. Smith, said on Friday the news puzzled him because none of the evidence against Faris appeared to have come from surveillance, other than officials eavesdropping on his cell phone calls while he was in
    FBI custody.

    Some NSA officials were so concerned about the legality of the program that they refused to participate, the Times said. Questions about the legality of the program led the administration to temporarily suspend it last year and impose new restrictions.

    Asked about this on NBC's "Today" show, Rice said, "I'm not going to comment on intelligence matters."

    Caroline Fredrickson, director of the Washington legislative office of the
    American Civil Liberties Union, said the group's initial reaction to the NSA disclosure was "shock that the administration has gone so far in violating American civil liberties to the extent where it seems to be a violation of federal law."

    Asked about the administration's contention that the eavesdropping has disrupted terrorist attacks, Fredrickson said the ACLU couldn't comment until it sees some evidence. "They've veiled these powers in secrecy so there's no way for Congress or any independent organizations to exercise any oversight."

    Earlier this week, the
    Pentagon said it was reviewing its use of a classified database of information about suspicious people and activity inside the United States after a report by NBC News said the database listed activities of anti-war groups that were not a security threat to Pentagon property or personnel.

    Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said that while it appears that some information may have been left in the database longer than it should have been, it was not clear yet whether mistakes were made. A written statement issued by the department implied $B!=(B but did not explicitly acknowledge $B!=(B that some information had been handled improperly.

    The administration had briefed congressional leaders about the NSA program and notified the judge in charge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the secret Washington court that handles national security issues.

    Aides to National Intelligence Director John Negroponte and West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, declined to comment Thursday night.

    The Times said it delayed publication of the report for a year because the White House said it could jeopardize continuing investigations and alert would-be terrorists that they might be under scrutiny. The Times said it omitted information from the story that administration officials argued could be useful to terrorists.

  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49205

    #2
    This is very scary indeed!

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    • BigBadBrian
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10625

      #3
      Re: Report of NSA Spying Prompts Call for Probe

      Originally posted by Hardrock69
      By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer 57 minutes ago

      WASHINGTON - A key Republican committee chairman put the Bush administration on notice Friday that his panel would hold hearings into a report that the National Security Agency eavesdropped without warrants on people inside the United States.

      Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., said he would make oversight hearings by his panel next year "a very, very high priority."

      Does anyone here actually think that this hasn't occurred for decades?

      Hmm?

      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49205

        #4
        Re: Re: Report of NSA Spying Prompts Call for Probe

        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
        Does anyone here actually think that this hasn't occurred for decades?

        Hmm?

        Actually, the last time it occurred was during the early 70's under Herr NIXON's paranoia...

        After that, a special National Security court was created which would virtually always grant a warrant, but there was judicial review and guardianship of civil liberties...

        This is bullshit on two levels:

        1.) The bar was extremely low to get a warrant (I heard on NPR that only ONE was ever refused).

        2.) The BUSH Administration willfully broke the law for no real reason...

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        • Hardrock69
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Feb 2005
          • 21888

          #5
          True.

          They are required by law to UPHOLD THE LAW, but instead they spend all their time figuring out ways to break laws.

          CHIMPEACHMENT!!!

          NOW!!!

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          • DrMaddVibe
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6682

            #6
            Anti-Bush article
            tied to book release
            Times reporter claims NSA spy story
            delayed 1 year for additional reporting
            Posted: December 16, 2005
            5:00 p.m. Eastern

            © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

            The New York Times neglected to tell its readers that the publishing of a major story today, claiming President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans, coincided with the release of a book by the article's writer.

            Times reporter James Risen says the paper delayed publication of the story for a year to conduct additional reporting, according to the Drudge Report.

            The story hit the front page one day after the Iraqi parliamentary election, widely seen as a success for the Bush administration.

            In the article, Risen claims "months after the September 11 attacks, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States ... without the court approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying, according to government officials."

            The NSA typically limits its domestic surveillance to foreign embassies and missions and obtains court orders for such investigations.

            Risen claims the White House asked the Times not to publish the article because it could alert would-be terrorists and jeopardize continuing investigations, the Drudge Report said.

            His book, "STATE OF WAR: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration," will be published by Free Press in the coming weeks.

            President Bush declined to respond to the allegations while congressional leaders condemned the practice and promised an investigation.

            "There is no doubt that this is inappropriate," said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, according to the Associated Press.

            Specter said hearings would be held early in the year, and they will have "a very, very high priority."

            Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called the report troubling.

            Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., stated: "This is Big Brother run amok."

            Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., said it was a "shocking revelation" that "ought to send a chill down the spine of every senator and every American."

            Bush said in an interview with PBS news anchor Jim Lehrer to be aired tonight that "we do not discuss ongoing intelligence operations to protect the country. And the reason why is that there's an enemy that lurks, that would like to know exactly what we're trying to do to stop them.

            "I will make this point," Bush said. "That whatever I do to protect the American people – and I have an obligation to do so - that we will uphold the law, and decisions made are made understanding we have an obligation to protect the civil liberties of the American people."

            Bush downplayed the importance of the story.

            "It's not the main story of the day," the president said. "The main story of the day is the Iraqi elections" for parliament which took place on Thursday.

            In an interview today with ABC's "Good Morning America," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Bush has "acted lawfully in every step that he has taken" while seeking to protect the American people.

            Lawyer John Hinderaker of the popular weblog Powerline believes intelligence officials who leaked the story to the Times "should be identified, criminally prosecuted, and sent to prison."

            Hinderaker says intelligence officials hostile to the Bush administration leaked the information, citing the Times story, which says, "Nearly a dozen current and former officials, who were granted anonymity because of the classified nature of the program, discussed it with reporters for The New York Times because of their concerns about the operation's legality and oversight."
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            • Warham
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Mar 2004
              • 14589

              #7
              How interesting, Vibe.

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49205

                #8
                Oh geez, they waited a year? Oh, just forget about the story then. I guess it doesn't matter anymore.

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                • DrMaddVibe
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 6682

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  Oh geez, they waited a year? Oh, just forget about the story then. I guess it doesn't matter anymore.
                  You don't see the conflict of interest?

                  C'mon!

                  If the shoe was on the other foot I can just imagine the screaming you libs would be screeching. You'd make Dean palatable to the ears!
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                  • DLR'sCock
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2937

                    #10
                    You're right, they should have released the story before the 2004 elections.


                    Of course let's not get off track here, Bush broke the law.

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                    • blueturk
                      Veteran
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 1883

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DLR'sCock
                      You're right, they should have released the story before the 2004 elections.


                      Of course let's not get off track here, Bush broke the law.
                      No, Dubya was saving American lives! The Bush/Orwell administration does it again with more Newspeak...



                      Update 7: Bush: Eavesdropping Helps Save U.S. Lives
                      12.17.2005, 03:28 PM

                      Facing angry criticism and challenges to his authority in Congress, President Bush on Saturday unapologetically defended his administration's right to conduct secret post-Sept. 11 spying in the U.S. as "critical to saving American lives."

                      One Democrat said Bush was acting more like a king than a democratically elected leader.

                      Bush's willingness to publicly acknowledge some of the government's most classified activities was a stunning development for a president known to dislike disclosure of even the most mundane inner workings of his White House.

                      Since October 2001, the super-secret National Security Agency has monitored, without court-approved warrants, the international phone calls and e-mails of people inside the United States.

                      News of the program comes at a particularly damaging and delicate time.

                      Already, the Bush administration is under fire for allegedly operating secret prisons in Eastern Europe and shipping suspected terrorists to other countries for harsh interrogations.

                      The NSA program's existence surfaced as the administration and its GOP allies on Capitol Hill were fighting to save the expiring provisions of the USA Patriot Act, the domestic anti-terrorism law enacted after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

                      In a stinging failure to Bush, Democrats and a few Republicans who say this law gives so much latitude to law enforcement officials that it threatens Americans' constitutional liberties succeeded Friday in stalling its renewal.

                      So Bush scrapped the version of his weekly radio address that he had already taped - on the recent elections in Iraq - and delivered a live speech from the White House's Roosevelt Room on the Patriot Act and the NSA program.

                      The gravity with which the White House regarded the situation was evident by the presence in the West Wing on a normally quiet Saturday of many of Bush's closest aides.

                      Often appearing angry in his eight-minute address, the president lashed out at the senators who blocked the Patriot Act's renewal, branding them as irresponsible.

                      He also made clear that he has no intention of halting his authorizations of the NSA's monitoring activities and said the public disclosure of the spy operation endangered Americans.

                      Bush said his authority to approve what he called a "vital tool in our war against the terrorists" came from his constitutional powers as commander in chief. He said that he has personally signed off on reauthorizations more than 30 times since the Sept. 11 attacks.

                      "The American people expect me to do everything in my power under our laws and Constitution to protect them and their civil liberties," Bush said. "And that is exactly what I will continue to do, so long as I'm the president of the United States."

                      James Bamford, author of two books on the National Security Agency, said the program could be problematic because it bypasses a special court set up by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to authorize eavesdropping on suspected terrorists.

                      "I didn't hear him specify any legal right, except his right as president, which in a democracy doesn't make much sense," Bamford said in an interview. "Today, what Bush said is he went around the law, which is a violation of the law - which is illegal."

                      Susan Low Bloch, a professor of constitutional law at Georgetown University Law Center, said the president needs authorization from Congress for this kind of activity.

                      "He's taking a hugely expansive interpretation of the Constitution and the president's powers under the Constitution," she said.

                      "It's consistent with everything the White House has been doing since 9/11. And every time that any of these measures have been challenged in the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court has ruled against the administration. The administration just doesn't seem to learn from that."

                      That view was echoed by congressional Democrats.

                      "I tell you, he's President George Bush, not King George Bush. This is not the system of government we have and that we fought for," Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., told The Associated Press.

                      Added Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.: "The Bush administration seems to believe it is above the law."

                      Republican Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, on Friday said the NSA program was inappropriate and he promised hearings soon.

                      Bush defended the monitoring program as narrowly designed and used "consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution." He said it is employed only to intercept the international communications of people inside the U.S. who have been determined to have "a clear link" to al-Qaida or related terrorist organizations.

                      Government officials have refused to provide details, including defining the standards used to establish such a link or saying how many people are being monitored.

                      The program is reviewed every 45 days, using fresh threat assessments, legal reviews, and information from previous activities under the program, the president said. Intelligence officials involved in the monitoring receive extensive training to make sure civil liberties are not violated, he said.

                      Bush also said members of the congressional leadership have been briefed more than a dozen times on the activities.

                      The program through the nation's largest spy agency is designed in part to fix problems revealed by the 2001 attacks, in which it came to be learned that two of the suicide hijackers were communicating from San Diego with al-Qaida operatives overseas.

                      "The activities I have authorized make it more likely that killers like these 9-11 hijackers will be identified and located in time," Bush said. "The activities conducted under this authorization have helped detect and prevent possible terrorist attacks in the United States and abroad.

                      The president had harsh words for those who revealed the program to the media, saying they acted improperly and illegally. The surveillance, was first disclosed in Friday's New York Times.

                      "As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have," Bush said. "The unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk."

                      Bush has more to worry about on Capitol Hill than his difficulties with the Patriot Act. Lawmakers have begun challenging Bush on his Iraq policy, reflecting polling that shows half of the country is not behind him on the war.

                      On Sunday, the president was continuing his effort to reverse that by giving his fifth major speech in less than three weeks on Iraq. This latest one was a 15-minute address, set in prime time from the Oval Office, that was to focus on his vision for Iraq for 2006.

                      One bright spot for the White House was a new poll showing that a strong majority of Americans oppose, as does Bush and most lawmakers, an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. The AP-Ipsos poll found 57 percent of those surveyed said the U.S. military should stay until Iraq is stabilized.





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                      • BigBadBrian
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10625

                        #12
                        Re: Re: Re: Report of NSA Spying Prompts Call for Probe

                        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                        Actually, the last time it occurred was during the early 70's under Herr NIXON's paranoia...

                        Bullshit. You people are NAIVE.

                        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                        • blueturk
                          Veteran
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 1883

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                          Bullshit. You people are NAIVE.

                          NAIVE is re-electing an arrogant spoiled brat who uses 9/11 as a tool to further the Bush/Orwell agenda. While I agree that eavesdropping on US citizens has probably occured during many presidencies, Bush has no qualms about carrying things a little farther under the ever larger umbrella of fighting terrorism. How many US citizens who were spied on were convicted (or even tried) for any crimes? Maybe The Ministry Of Truth knows...

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                          • Hardrock69
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 21888

                            #14
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Report of NSA Spying Prompts Call for Probe

                            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                            Bullshit. You people are NAIVE.

                            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

                            That is hysterical coming from you who live in Denial.

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49205

                              #15
                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Report of NSA Spying Prompts Call for Probe

                              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                              Bullshit. You people are NAIVE.

                              Oh yeah?' COINTEL-PRO


                              SUPPLEMENTARY DETAILED STAFF REPORTS
                              ON INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES AND THE
                              RIGHTS OF AMERICANS

                              _______

                              BOOK III
                              _______


                              FINAL REPORT

                              OF THE

                              SELECT COMMITTEE
                              TO STUDY GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS

                              WITH RESPECT TO

                              INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES
                              UNITED STATES SENATE



                              APRIL 23 (under authority of the order of April 14), 1976






                              WARRANTLESS FBI ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE



                              I. INTRODUCTION


                              Technological developments in this century have rendered the most private conversations of American citizens vulnerable to interception and monitoring by government agents. The electronic means by which the Government can extend its "antennae" are varied: microphones may be secretly planted in private locations or on mobile informants; so-called "spike mikes" may be inserted into the wall of an adjoining room; and parabolic microphones may be directed at speakers far away to register the sound waves they emit. Telephone conversations may be overheard without the necessity of attaching electronic devices to the telephone itself or to the lines connecting the telephone with the telephone company. An ordinary telephone may also be turned into an open microphone -- a "miketel" capable of intercepting all conversations within hearing range even when the telephone is not in use.

                              Even more sophisticated technology permits the Government to intercept any telephone, telegram, or telex communication which is transmitted at least partially through the air, as most such communications now are. This type of interception is virtually undetectable and does not require the cooperation of private communications companies.

                              Techniques such as these have been used, and continue to be used, by intelligence agencies in their intelligence operations. Since the early part of this century the FBI has utilized wiretapping and "bugging" techniques in both criminal and intelligence investigations. In a single year alone (1945), the Bureau conducted 519 wiretaps and 186 microphone surveillances (excluding those conducted by means of microphones planted on informants). 1 Until 1972, the Bureau used wiretaps and bugs against both American citizens and foreigners within the United States -- without judicial warrant -- to collect foreign intelligence, intelligence and counterintelligence information, to monitor "subversive" and violent activity, and to determine the sources of leaks of classified information. The FBI still uses these techniques without a warrant in foreign intelligence and counterintelligence investigations.

                              The CIA and NSA have similarly used electronic surveillance techniques for intelligence purposes. The CIA's Office of Security, for example, records a total of fifty-seven individuals who were targeted by telephone wiretaps or microphones within the United States between the years 1947 and 1968. 2 Of these, thirty were employees or former employees of the CIA or of another federal agency who were presumably targeted for security reasons; four were United States citizens unconnected with the CIA or any federal agency. 3 One of the primary responsibilities of the National Security Agency (NSA) is to collect foreign "communications intelligence." To fulfill this responsibility, it has electronically intercepted an enormous number of international telephone, telegram, and telex communications since its inception in the early 1950's. 4

                              Electronic surveillance techniques have understandably enabled these agencies to obtain valuable information relevant to their legitimate intelligence missions. Use of these techniques has provided the Government with vital intelligence, which would be difficult to acquire through other means, about the activities and intentions of foreign powers, and has provided important leads in counterespionage cases.

                              By their very nature, however, electronic surveillance techniques also provide the means by which the Government can collect vast amounts of information, unrelated to any legitimate governmental interest, about large numbers of American citizens. Because electronic monitoring is surreptitious, it allows Government agents to eavesdrop on the conversations of individuals in unguarded moments, when they believe they are speaking in confidence. Once in operation, electronic surveillance techniques record not merely conversations about criminal, treasonable, or espionage-related activities, but all conversations about the full range of human events. Neither the most mundane nor the most personal nor the most political expressions of the speakers are immune from interception. Nor are these techniques sufficiently precise to limit the conversations overheard to those of the intended subject of the surveillance: anyone who speaks in a bugged room and anyone who talks over a tapped telephone is also overheard and recorded.

                              Cont'd
                              Now who's "NAIVE," huh bitch?
                              Last edited by Nickdfresh; 12-17-2005, 07:39 PM.

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