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  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21888

    Daschle: Wiretaps never discussed with Congress

    Friday, December 23, 2005; Posted: 9:10 a.m. EST (14:10 GMT)

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The use of warrantless wiretaps on American citizens was never discussed when Congress authorized the White House to use force against al Qaeda after the September 11 attacks, says former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.

    In an article printed Friday on the op-ed page of The Washington Post, Daschle also wrote that Congress explicitly denied a White House request for war-making authority in the United States.

    "This last-minute change would have given the president broad authority to exercise expansive powers not just overseas ... but right here in the United States, potentially against American citizens," Daschle wrote.

    "The Bush administration now argues those powers were inherently contained in the resolution adopted by Congress -- but at the time, the administration clearly felt they weren't or it wouldn't have tried to insert the additional language," the South Dakota Democrat wrote.

    Daschle was Senate Democratic leader at the time of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington. He is now a fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal Washington think tank.

    The administration formally defended its domestic spying program in a letter to Congress late Thursday, saying the nation's security outweighs privacy concerns of individuals who are monitored.
    Administration defends surveillance

    In a letter to the chairs of the House and Senate intelligence committees, the Justice Department said President Bush authorized electronic surveillance without first obtaining a warrant in an effort to thwart terrorist acts against the United States.

    "There is undeniably an important and legitimate privacy interest at stake with respect to the activities described by the president," wrote Assistant Attorney General William E. Moschella. "That must be balanced, however, against the government's compelling interest in the security of the nation."

    Bush has acknowledged he authorized such surveillance and repeatedly has defended it in recent days.

    But Moschella's letter was the administration's first public notice to Congress about the program in which electronic surveillance was conducted without the approval of a secret court created to examine requests for wiretaps and searches in the most sensitive terrorism and espionage cases.

    Moschella maintained that Bush acted legally when he authorized the National Security Agency to go around the court to conduct electronic surveillance of international communications into and out of the United States by suspects tied to al Qaeda or its affiliates.

    Moschella relied on a Sept. 18, 2001, congressional resolution, known as the Authorization to Use Military Force, as primary legal justification for Bush's creation of a domestic spying program. The resolution "clearly contemplates action within the United States," Moschella wrote, and acknowledges Bush's power to prevent terrorism against the United States.

    Congress adopted the resolution in the chaotic days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, authorizing the president to wage war against al Qaeda and other terrorist groups that pose a threat to the United States.

    Moschella said the president's constitutional authority also includes power to order warrantless foreign intelligence surveillance inside the United States. He said that power has been affirmed by federal courts, including the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court. The FISA court was created in 1978 after public outcry over government spying on anti-war and civil rights protesters.

    The administration deliberately bypassed the FISA court, which requires the government to provide evidence that a terrorism or espionage suspect is "an agent of a foreign power."

    Moschella said Bush's action was legal because the foreign intelligence law provides a "broad" exception if the spying is authorized by another statute. In this case, he said, Congress' authorization provided such authority.

    He also maintained the NSA program is "consistent" with the Fourth Amendment -- which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures -- and civil liberties.

    For searches to be reasonable under law, a warrant is needed, Moschella said. But, outside criminal investigations, he said, the Supreme Court has created exceptions where warrants are not needed.

    Last edited by Hardrock69; 12-23-2005, 11:10 AM.
  • scamper
    Commando
    • May 2005
    • 1073

    #2
    Daschle is a sellout, thats why we voted him out last election, anything he says is just puppet talk

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    • diamondD
      Veteran
      • Jan 2004
      • 1962

      #3
      No offense dude, but how many different wiretap and calls for impeachment threads do we need?
      Meet us in the future, not the pasture

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32576

        #4
        Personally, I'd like to keep it to 5-6.

        Any more, and it would appear we're gloating over the fact the hangman is coming....
        Last edited by LoungeMachine; 12-23-2005, 11:36 AM.
        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58783

          #5
          I don't know... maybe as many as it takes to wake up the Busheep.

          I didn't care much for Tom Daschle myself. I thought he was a spineless pussy as Senate Majority leader. But now, it seems we know why. The goddamn CHIMP threatened his life, for fucks sake. Remember that the anthrax was specifically identified as military grade shit that came from a US LABORATORY!!

          The threats against Daschle and Leahy were inside jobs, trying to intimidate them into signing these dictatorial powers over to the Chimp. And once you accept that ugly reality, you might want to take another look at what happenned the week before.
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • Guitar Shark
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7579

            #6
            Originally posted by FORD
            And once you accept that ugly reality, you might want to take another look at what happenned the week before.
            Or, check yourself into an insane asylum.
            ROTH ARMY MILITIA


            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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            • LoungeMachine
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jul 2004
              • 32576

              #7
              Originally posted by Guitar Shark
              Or, check yourself into an insane asylum.


              And what's your explanation of the "anthrax" letters then???
              Originally posted by Kristy
              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
              Originally posted by cadaverdog
              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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              • Guitar Shark
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Jan 2004
                • 7579

                #8
                Originally posted by LoungeMachine


                And what's your explanation of the "anthrax" letters then???
                Jizzystool, obviously.
                ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58783

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                  Or, check yourself into an insane asylum.
                  Matt, suppress your lawyerly instinct to argue with everything long enough to look at the facts here.

                  1) Chimp asks Daschle & Leahy for dictatorial powers to essentially declare war on US citizens

                  2) Daschle & Leahy turn him down

                  3) They receive anthrax letters postmarked the same day that they refused the Chimp's request.

                  4) The anthrax is later tested and proven to have originated in a US lab.

                  Those are the facts. So who belongs in an asylum? Those who can see the ugly truth, or those who continue to live in denial.
                  Eat Us And Smile

                  Cenk For America 2024!!

                  Justice Democrats


                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • Guitar Shark
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 7579

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    1) Chimp asks Daschle & Leahy for dictatorial powers to essentially declare war on US citizens

                    2) Daschle & Leahy turn him down
                    Where does the article say this? It says that the request was made of "Congress."
                    ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                    Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                    Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58783

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                      Where does the article say this? It says that the request was made of "Congress."
                      And when that request is turned down, who is Junior going to blame? The Senate leader and the committee chairman, right?
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • Guitar Shark
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 7579

                        #12
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        And when that request is turned down, who is Junior going to blame? The Senate leader and the committee chairman, right?
                        Keep reaching FORD. In order for your theory to make any sense, the "BCE" would have had to send an anthrax letter to every member of Congress who declined the request.
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                        Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                        Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                        • LoungeMachine
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 32576

                          #13
                          No, just the leaders, and a few media whores for a cover....
                          Originally posted by Kristy
                          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                          Originally posted by cadaverdog
                          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                          • Guitar Shark
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7579

                            #14
                            Lounge, come on man, you're smarter than this.
                            ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                            • LoungeMachine
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 32576

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Guitar Shark
                              Lounge, come on man, you're smarter than this.
                              All evidence to the contrary

                              Seriously, the whole "anthrax scare" stunk from day one, and this is very plausible considering recent events and revelations.

                              Keeping an open mind, counselor.

                              No tin foil required
                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                              Originally posted by cadaverdog
                              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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