Why didn't Dave extend an olive branch?

[Bob_R]

Why didn't Roth call Ed and ask for a sit down? What would it have hurt? His ego? Shit, his career is on a downward spiral. A VH reunion with him would have given his career the jolt that it needs, to say the least. It would have been great if Roth was back instead of Hagar. But, apparently Roth did nothing while Hagar gave it a shot. Ed had no reason to initiate, he does not necesarily need Roth as much as Roth needs him.

Roth was back in in '96 if he hadn't acted like an asshole. Was Ed totally blameless? I guess not. But, the thing is that Ed is the boss not Dave. Sometimes in life you just have to play the game. Roth had nothing to lose by being low profile back in '96. If you piss off the person who is thinking of hiring/rehiring you chances are you are going to lose.

In a nutshell, Roth can blame only himself.

[weesfreewheelin]

After 96, VH had ceast to exist for me. Then, the Sam and Dave tour came to town. Sparked some new interest. About that time, I discovered the VH/DLR web community. It was somewhat comforting to find out that there was a multitude of peeps who felt exactly as I did about the whole state of affairs in this fucked up thing we called Van Halen. I also had to execpt the fact that their exist a whole different camp of fans who didn't see things as I do. Bottom line for me, I'm sick of it. I know way too much about these motherfuckers. They really never liked each other to begin with. Totally the opposite of what I thought was taking place back in the day. A fucking video illusion. What a crock of shit. Being a Roth fan, I had hoped for one more circus visit(figurative), now the only circus(literal) thats coming is gonna be led by Ronald McDonald The illusion is over for me girls. Consider myself lucky for experiencing the original incarnation. The true reason we can utter the lying dutchmans name to begin with.

[MAX]

Re: Why didn't Dave extend an olive branch?

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
But, the thing is that Ed is the boss not Dave.

That is your answer right there. I'm positive Dave would have gone in in he would have been considered an equal. You HAVE to know that Dave wouldn't go into a situation like this and just be a "hired hand" like Ace Frehley and Peter Criss ala KI$$. Unlike The Red Chunker, Dave has too much pride to crawl back with his tail in-between his legs at this point in time. He was trusting in '96 and got fucked over. Who knows about 2000?

Also, I highly doubt Dave cares anymore. He has a lust for life, having fun and doing what he wants on HIS OWN TERMS! I'd also bet my house that Dave isn't hurting for money by any means or he would sellout and kiss the Lying Dutchmen's collective lying and drunken asses!

Fuck this "reunion!" What a bore.

[Bob_R]

Re: Re: Why didn't Dave extend an olive branch?

Originally posted by MAX
That is your answer right there. I'm positive Dave would have gone in in he would have been considered an equal. You HAVE to know that Dave wouldn't go into a situation like this and just be a "hired hand" like Ace Frehley and Peter Criss ala KI$$. Unlike The Red Chunker, Dave has too much pride to crawl back with his tail in-between his legs at this point in time. He was trusting in '96 and got fucked over. Who knows about 2000?

Also, I highly doubt Dave cares anymore. He has a lust for life, having fun and doing what he wants on HIS OWN TERMS! I'd also bet my house that Dave isn't hurting for money by any means or he would sellout and kiss the Lying Dutchmen's collective lying and drunken asses!

Fuck this "reunion!" What a bore.

I hear ya buddy! I guess I just feel that Dave should have done more to try and get back in. I wish to God that it was him and not Hagar but that's not my fault or problem.

[kennyboy]

Maybe Dave has tried and Eddie is just a dumbass.

[Panamark]

Re: Re: Why didn't Dave extend an olive branch?

Originally posted by MAX
That is your answer right there. I'm positive Dave would have gone in in he would have been considered an equal. You HAVE to know that Dave wouldn't go into a situation like this and just be a "hired hand" like Ace Frehley and Peter Criss ala KI$$. Unlike The Red Chunker, Dave has too much pride to crawl back with his tail in-between his legs at this point in time. He was trusting in '96 and got fucked over. Who knows about 2000?

Also, I highly doubt Dave cares anymore. He has a lust for life, having fun and doing what he wants on HIS OWN TERMS! I'd also bet my house that Dave isn't hurting for money by any means or he would sellout and kiss the Lying Dutchmen's collective lying and drunken asses!

Fuck this "reunion!" What a bore.

Dude, I totally agree with you - yet again !

I actually think the real reunion failed because Dave wanted equal say on everything, just like the old days. Personally I think he was well within in his rights to expect this. I think everything was going great until Dave tried to protect his equal rights.

[Greenbuds]

Looks like Ed fucked up again. He chose Cherone instead of Dave and look what happened - he lost his record deal.

This time he chose Hagar instead of Dave and lok what's happening, nothing even sold out the first day. This will probably be the biggest dissapointment tour of this year.

Ed has lost millions for his dumb decisions and has conitnued to give Dave more and more power and leverage.

[Dr. Love]

Yeah, Dave should get 1/4 if he ever rejoins, but back to reality...

It won't happen, and I wish Dave could have took it for one album and tour for the fans, since we all know Eddie won't do it.

Oh well.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
Why didn't Roth call Ed and ask for a sit down?

I'm not so sure that Dave didn't bro...

[Big Troubles]

Im sure Dave tried to get back with the brothers in 2000, and Im guessing the plan was to tour soon after a full release. But Ed was prob getting Alex in one ear and Mike in another about not doing business with Dave. Dave is at the VERY LEAST 25% of Van Halen. And Ed and co. prob didn't want Dave to have any control over the product. Shame. Could've been one HELLUVA tour this year with Dave fronting it! Instead of the R rated version of VH that we want to see and hear, we will get G. "Bring the kids! Its a family affair!" Arrrrgh!

[Sarge]

Dave has been extending the Olive branch since the late 80's
Obviously there is alot we don't know here.

[BURKRUPTION]

Remember that they fucked Dave out of royalties. How much shit from the asshole brothers and the yes man can you take before you say " go fuck yourself."

[vh1978-1984]

i heard rumors about 4 years ago that roth was back in the band, a whole new cd had been recorded and they were going to tour the following summer. then eddie got sick and everything fell apart. i heard this from a person that worked for eddie van halen on kshe 95 in st. louis and he said the new stuff was great and sounded like classic early van halen. anybody else heard those rumors.

[Terry]

Why should Roth extend an olive branch?

Got a heads up for you; Eddie would be the lucky one to get Dave back in the band at this point. Roth was there from the beginning and helped build that band. He doesn't need to prove anything to Ed or kiss his ass in any shape or form.

Ed's career has taken just as much of a downward spiral as Dave's has, sales-wise. Last full-length album with Dave did 10 million plus. Last one with Hagar did 2 million plus. Van Halen 3 didn't even break a million.

Last I heard, Dave wasn't the one who spent the last 5 years in hibernation and got dropped by his record label. What kind of track record has Ed blazed lately that should make Dave take a conciliatory attitude towards him?

At best, Ed and Dave would be doing EACH OTHER a favor by putting the classic lineup together.

And no matter how well the Van Hagar reunion shows do, it won't be the Van Halen reunion people want to see. Ed bitched in 1996 about not wanting to do a nostalgia tour like KISS. Well, if he was finally gonna do it, it figures he'd be half-assed about it.

Shit, even when Ed finally decides to "sell out" as he defined it, he can't even do it with a Roth bang. Just a Hagar whimper.

[Roth & Roll]

"Why didn't Dave extend an olive branch??"

As others have stated, Dave HAS extended the olive branch - on multiple occasions. If Eddie put HALF the effort into working out their problems that Dave did, no doubt we would be gearing up for a Van HALEN World Tour instead of yet another Van HAGAR dog and pony show.

The following fact just proves that Eddie, NOT Dave is solely responsible for a real Van HALEN reunion not happening. -

Eddie Van Halen - 1996
"It's too early to talk about a tour. We've done two new tracks with Dave and we're taking baby steps. If we were to even consider a tour, first we would have to go back into the studio, write and record a new album - until then I won't even discuss a tour. We're not a nostalgia act. That would be cheating the fans."

Funny how Eddie proves to be a total and complete hypocrite as 8 years later with Spammy, he's willing to do EXACTLY what he said he would never do with Dave.

Don't blame Dave for not "extending" the olive branch. He did so in '96 and again in '00 and got egg on his face both times.

The answer is simple. Eddie Van Halen simply does not want to work with David Lee Roth. Period.

He only did so in '96 to get rid of Sammy and drum up interest and anticipation for the release of BOVI.