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Nickdfresh
01-12-2006, 11:00 AM
Earnestly Pursuing the Gentle Art of Nastiness Behind a Radio Microphone

By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN
Published: January 12, 2006

David Lee Roth's new morning radio show has made one thing clear: Howard Stern is one ingenious pervert.

It's not that Diamond Dave has been knocking Howard, whom he replaced on some several stations on Jan. 3 as Mr. Stern moved to satellite radio. In fact, Mr. Roth has been smarmy and collegial about the King of Difficult to Acquire New Media. But Mr. Roth makes the point about Mr. Stern's pervy ways by contrast with his own, since Mr. Roth's own efforts to come across as a dirty devil - boasting of girls girls girls and chugging Jack Daniel's - seem pitiful compared to even the slightest heavy-breathing utterance of Mr. Stern's.

Meanwhile, on Sirius Satellite Radio, where "The Howard Stern Show" started with some tech difficulties on Monday, Mr. Stern has turned in respectably true-to-form programs that display his maestro skills with his nasty-geek persona. So far, he hasn't departed much from the tone and structure of his old Infinity radio show; though on Sirius he's now free to say what he wants, he has resolved to curse sparingly. He's still panting after lesbians, pushing the subject of genital grooming and laughing at people like Pat O'Brien, the television host who was said to have left obscene voice-mail messages for an acquaintance. Mr. Stern also barrels into impolitic topics that the rest of us are afraid to broach: Yesterday he asked a gay radio personality whether his lisp was an affectation or a speech impediment.

Mr. Stern, as his fans know, is born for radio: his on-air character is an unwashed basement figure, best kept out of sight - a haggard masturbator and morbid misanthrope who must hang out with deformed and desperate men because he can hardly perform with women. The fact that the pinup girls who come on his show now seem to want to have sex with him is, in his telling, evidence only of the women's ambition and depravity.

The Stern character simply hates his guests and co-hosts as he hates himself; he's a mean little pornography-addicted freak whose self-loathing reverses itself only in fits of equally grotesque narcissism, as when he flashes his listeners with a dirty raincoat by disclosing disgusting secrets about himself. But his relentlessly loser style makes him seem honest, and wins him a privileged relationship with the truth; fans believe what he says - about everything from politics to back pain to etiquette. He has hewn his character brilliantly.

By contrast, Mr. Roth is a jaunty frontman - really, Mr. Stern's opposite. In his heyday singing with Van Halen, he was a red-blooded dude who bounced around, yelped the high notes and handily pulled the bikini chicks. There was nothing depressing about Diamond Dave's sexuality: it was happy, voracious, superficial. He postured with the best of the hard-rock studs, strutting around with his moussey hair and Spandex pants. Had Mr. Roth's big-dog persona met Mr. Stern's gamma-male one, they would not have partied together.

But on radio, the tables are turned. A doctor's son who worked recently as an emergency medical technician, Mr. Roth is far too square for the morning slot. His stories about his drunken antics of the late 1970's - or, worse, about the 50's in crazy Greenwich Village, where his uncle Murray owned the Café Wha? - ring obsolete. And he won't reveal much about his life now, refusing to answer even routine questions from fans about his love life. As a result, his sanctimony on subjects from drugs to plastic surgery to celebrity misdeeds, is unearned. If he won't say anything about himself but bland boasts about his glory days, why should he get to tell us what to do?

Finally, Mr. Roth's tenor, which is can be poignant and otherworldly on Van Halen songs like "Jamie's Crying," is surprisingly grating and banal when he's speaking. Listeners to regular radio will miss Mr. Stern's low, unerring, New York-inflected voice - and the depth of weirdness it unfailingly conveys.

Brett
01-12-2006, 11:04 AM
Like I said, Dave has a lot to learn about doing a successful show.

Didn't I fucking say that Dave has to be willing to drop his rock star schtick and talk about his real life if he wants to connect with the audience? This writer gets it.

Nickdfresh
01-12-2006, 11:06 AM
Hardly an article flattering DAVE. But one that hardly speaks highly of STERN either...

Drop the act bored... Post actual news articles and not bullshit blogs by hack posers (who are actually big censoring pussies like "radio Consultant" that won't even allow people to post comments on his rantings) if you're going to start threads here, otherwise you are just a troll and need to get the fuck out....

Nickdfresh
01-12-2006, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Brett
Like I said, Dave has a lot to learn about doing a successful show.

Didn't I fucking say that Dave has to be willing to drop his rock star schtick and talk about his real life if he wants to connect with the audience? This writer gets it.

I actually agree with that point. Just on-air leering at SASHA isn't going to cut it...

I love ROTH, but basically this article says that he may be too cool to pull off the drive-time radio thing. My jury is far from in...

Nickdfresh
01-12-2006, 11:18 AM
Oopsy Dupesy... (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31972)

Lock this Mods...:D

DavidLeeNatra
01-12-2006, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Brett
Like I said, Dave has a lot to learn about doing a successful show.

Didn't I fucking say that Dave has to be willing to drop his rock star schtick and talk about his real life if he wants to connect with the audience? This writer gets it.

actually dave DOES tell many private things...you just need to listen...it's not that he goes and says "oh, my pity childhood...wawawah" but by telling, he lived an "outdoor life" because his mom didn't want the kids around her and he and his sisters are not married and his parents lived seperated for the last 20 years tells a lot...well...at least to ME...

be welcome to ask for "translations" of the wisdom of roth...

Bored
01-12-2006, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Earnestly Pursuing the Gentle Art of Nastiness Behind a Radio Microphone

By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN
Published: January 12, 2006

David Lee Roth's new morning radio show has made one thing clear: Howard Stern is one ingenious pervert.

It's not that Diamond Dave has been knocking Howard, whom he replaced on some several stations on Jan. 3 as Mr. Stern moved to satellite radio. In fact, Mr. Roth has been smarmy and collegial about the King of Difficult to Acquire New Media. But Mr. Roth makes the point about Mr. Stern's pervy ways by contrast with his own, since Mr. Roth's own efforts to come across as a dirty devil - boasting of girls girls girls and chugging Jack Daniel's - seem pitiful compared to even the slightest heavy-breathing utterance of Mr. Stern's.

Meanwhile, on Sirius Satellite Radio, where "The Howard Stern Show" started with some tech difficulties on Monday, Mr. Stern has turned in respectably true-to-form programs that display his maestro skills with his nasty-geek persona. So far, he hasn't departed much from the tone and structure of his old Infinity radio show; though on Sirius he's now free to say what he wants, he has resolved to curse sparingly. He's still panting after lesbians, pushing the subject of genital grooming and laughing at people like Pat O'Brien, the television host who was said to have left obscene voice-mail messages for an acquaintance. Mr. Stern also barrels into impolitic topics that the rest of us are afraid to broach: Yesterday he asked a gay radio personality whether his lisp was an affectation or a speech impediment.

Mr. Stern, as his fans know, is born for radio: his on-air character is an unwashed basement figure, best kept out of sight - a haggard masturbator and morbid misanthrope who must hang out with deformed and desperate men because he can hardly perform with women. The fact that the pinup girls who come on his show now seem to want to have sex with him is, in his telling, evidence only of the women's ambition and depravity.

The Stern character simply hates his guests and co-hosts as he hates himself; he's a mean little pornography-addicted freak whose self-loathing reverses itself only in fits of equally grotesque narcissism, as when he flashes his listeners with a dirty raincoat by disclosing disgusting secrets about himself. But his relentlessly loser style makes him seem honest, and wins him a privileged relationship with the truth; fans believe what he says - about everything from politics to back pain to etiquette. He has hewn his character brilliantly.

By contrast, Mr. Roth is a jaunty frontman - really, Mr. Stern's opposite. In his heyday singing with Van Halen, he was a red-blooded dude who bounced around, yelped the high notes and handily pulled the bikini chicks. There was nothing depressing about Diamond Dave's sexuality: it was happy, voracious, superficial. He postured with the best of the hard-rock studs, strutting around with his moussey hair and Spandex pants. Had Mr. Roth's big-dog persona met Mr. Stern's gamma-male one, they would not have partied together.

But on radio, the tables are turned. A doctor's son who worked recently as an emergency medical technician, Mr. Roth is far too square for the morning slot. His stories about his drunken antics of the late 1970's - or, worse, about the 50's in crazy Greenwich Village, where his uncle Murray owned the Café Wha? - ring obsolete. And he won't reveal much about his life now, refusing to answer even routine questions from fans about his love life. As a result, his sanctimony on subjects from drugs to plastic surgery to celebrity misdeeds, is unearned. If he won't say anything about himself but bland boasts about his glory days, why should he get to tell us what to do?

Finally, Mr. Roth's tenor, which is can be poignant and otherworldly on Van Halen songs like "Jamie's Crying," is surprisingly grating and banal when he's speaking. Listeners to regular radio will miss Mr. Stern's low, unerring, New York-inflected voice - and the depth of weirdness it unfailingly conveys.

See I would have posted it, if someone hadnt already. You are so stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.

DavidLeeNatra
01-12-2006, 02:10 PM
so why post it again, whored?

Bored
01-12-2006, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
so why post it again, whored?

I didnt, shit for brains.

Matt White
01-12-2006, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Brett
Like I said, Dave has a lot to learn about doing a successful show.

Didn't I fucking say that Dave has to be willing to drop his rock star schtick and talk about his real life if he wants to connect with the audience? This writer gets it.

I'm kinda thrown by that...

STERN refused to discuss his divorce and the events leading up tp it........


DAVE will do fine...just give him 25+ years like Hop-a-long Howie to find his way......and somebody as talented as FRED to carry the show....

Brett
01-12-2006, 04:16 PM
I'm not saying he has to open his WHOLE personal life up to his audience, but the facade has to go.

Matt White
01-12-2006, 04:18 PM
Seems to me he dropped it from day one...No "BOZDEE BOZDEEBOP" DAVE.....


The guy has led an interesting life....what's not to get?

Brett
01-12-2006, 04:21 PM
But he doesn't talk about his life, at least from what I've heard. He talks about rock star bullshit, it just doesn't sound genuine to me. It's not over the top schtick, but it's schtick none the less. He hasn't yet learned how to connect to his audience yet, beyond obviously people who are Dave and VH fans.

Dave's PA Rental
01-12-2006, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Brett
Didn't I fucking say that Dave has to be willing to drop his rock star schtick and talk about his real life if he wants to connect with the audience?

Howard Stern fucking said it when he interviewed Roth in the Fall...

...and then I fucking said it as an echo to what Stern said...

(oh wait, that was in my journal that no one reads...)

nevermind.

Bored is a douche.

Brett
01-12-2006, 04:25 PM
And there you have it.

Guitar Shark
01-12-2006, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Brett
But he doesn't talk about his life, at least from what I've heard. He talks about rock star bullshit, it just doesn't sound genuine to me. It's not over the top schtick, but it's schtick none the less. He hasn't yet learned how to connect to his audience yet, beyond obviously people who are Dave and VH fans.

A related point - he needs to stop talking about VH, in my opinion, if he wants to increase his listener base. Almost nobody cares about VH these days. He will gain credibility talking about current issues, not the past.

Matt White
01-12-2006, 04:27 PM
I still have to laugh...the guy isn't even 2 weeks in yet......

Warham
01-12-2006, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
A related point - he needs to stop talking about VH, in my opinion, if he wants to increase his listener base. Almost nobody cares about VH these days. He will gain credibility talking about current issues, not the past.

He IS talking about current issues. Why, today, he had a guy in that believes that aliens come down and abduct people from their beds at night and perform all kinds of devious sexual experiments on them.

Isn't that current? ;)

Brett
01-12-2006, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Guitar Shark
A related point - he needs to stop talking about VH, in my opinion, if he wants to increase his listener base. Almost nobody cares about VH these days. He will gain credibility talking about current issues, not the past.

I agree completely, and these references about it was his idea for Eddie to stripe his guitar. What casual listener gives a shit or wants to hear that?

audiospectrum
01-12-2006, 05:19 PM
Hmmm, Brett I agree. I think I'll ride this one out, give him a few shows in the rearview mirror first. Maybe he'll open up more, he is a good learner. It must take a lot of guts to be open slather on radio. If anything I admire Dave, he's got balls, talk show radio in America sounds pretty cut throat.

Nickdfresh
01-12-2006, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by Bored
See I would have posted it, if someone hadnt already. You are so stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.

You're a fucking dysfunctional, semi-literate half-wit. And you're far too busy trolling over sites like MTV, and shitty radio blogs, to find the NY Times you little pap-smear you, it's written at about three grades above your reading comprehension level...

Master_Thespian
01-12-2006, 06:25 PM
the man is a cad!

I say "good day Sir!" to you!