*BREAKING NEWS* Al-Qaida No. 2 Dead? [Archive] - The Diamond David Lee Roth Army

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 07:11 PM

CNN is reporting that a US airstrike, conducted in PAKISTAN, MAY have killed the second in command of Al-Qaida: Ayman Al-ZAWAHIRI. Details of the airstrike are in the following article, it does not mention Al-Zawahiri ...

EXCLUSIVE: Pakistani Military Sources Say Zawahiri May Be Dead
Forensic Tests to Reveal Fate of al Qaeda Number Two
By BRIAN ROSS

Jan. 13, 2006 â€” - Today, according to Pakistani military sources, U.S. aircraft attacked a compound known to be frequented by high level al Qaeda operatives. Pakistani officials tell ABC News that al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant, may have been among them.

U.S. intelligence for the last few days indicated that Zawahiri might be in the location or about to arrive, although there is still no confirmation from U.S. officials that he was among the victims.

The attack took place early this morning Pakistan time in a small village a few miles from the border with Afghanistan.

Villagers described seeing an unmanned plane circling the area for the last few days and then bombs falling in the early morning darkness.

Eighteen people were killed, according to the villagers who said women and children were among the fatalities.

But Pakistani officials tell ABC News that five of those killed were high-level al Qaeda figures, and their bodies are now undergoing forensic tests for positive identification.

Officials say Zawahiri was known to have used safe houses in this area last winter and was believed to be in the area again this winter.

Zawahiri, who appeared just last week in a new videotaped message, had increasingly been taking the operational reins of al Qaeda, and is thought by U.S. officials to be the current true mastermind of the terrorist group.

Pakistani officials tell ABC News that the bodies of the five suspected al Qaeda figures will be recovered at first light in Pakistan, but it will still take a day or two for any kind of positive identification. U.S. officials in Washington did not comment.

Copyright Â© 2006 ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1504096) Internet Ventures

FORD

01-13-2006, 07:13 PM

Hasnt this guy died more times than Kenny already?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/montages/YouSentMetoIraq.jpg

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 07:14 PM

That's the one in IRAQ. al-Zarqawi.:D

Peek-a-booh! I see you.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/2004/03/19/19_3_2004_Ayman%20al-Zawahiri.jpg
Is that an AK-74 carbine on the couch, or are you just glad to see me?

bobgnote

01-13-2006, 07:29 PM

Dr. al Zawahiri noted the planned troop reduction and commended Bush, since he recognized the number 7 as a multiple of 1000 in the reduction, and 7 is a holy number and the base number for Al Queda's attacks, which predict a much larger four-boomer, on or about 5/8/2008, which adds to 23 linearly, as does 9/11/2001.

IF he is to be replaced, we do not know what to expect, and any peace negotiations may not save LA, expected to get whacked.

I think Al will do LA, Houston, Atlanta, and one other area, like DC, in 2008. Doc Zawahiri may have been the leader to negotiate with. But then, Chimpster is chumping US, on this. He's the damn bathroom monkey, not any of us. He can wreck the bathroom, if we don't GET HIM OUTTA THERE.

Don't let a damn monkey redo your bathroom, eh? Al will hear, and AL knows the US is a HOUSE OF THIEVES.

FORD

01-13-2006, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
That's the one in IRAQ. al-Zarqawi.:D

Peek-a-booh! I see you.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/2004/03/19/19_3_2004_Ayman%20al-Zawahiri.jpg
Is that an AK-74 carbine on the couch, or are you just glad to see me?

I just find it amusing that a terrorist has a floral print couch.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/barraca/village8mf.gif

Guitar Shark

01-13-2006, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by FORD
I just find it amusing that a terrorist has a floral print couch.

LOL. That IS pretty funny. :D

To the left of the gun you can see a little piece of a person in combat fatigues. Looks American. :eek:

POJO_Risin

01-13-2006, 07:40 PM

C'mon...everyone knows that floral and terror go hand in hand...christ...

don't any of you fuckers remember the 70's?

FORD

01-13-2006, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
C'mon...everyone knows that floral and terror go hand in hand...christ...

don't any of you fuckers remember the 70's?

Of course I do. That's why I put the Village People in there.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/barraca/village8mf.gif

POJO_Risin

01-13-2006, 07:51 PM

Christ...I wish I would have seen that the first time...so I wouldn't have had to see it a 2nd time...then scroll up to see it a third time...

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 08:02 PM

It's reported that CIA agents called in the strike, possibly using a Predator drone aircraft...

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/predator-00000002.jpg

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/predator.htm

POJO_Risin

01-13-2006, 08:04 PM

Damn it Nick...

quit trying to get this on track...

we had a good floral print discussion going...

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 08:09 PM

Yeah, the floral patterns went with his AK-74M, and that funny look in his eye...

POJO_Risin

01-13-2006, 08:11 PM

looks like he's about to get "gunned"

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 08:13 PM

Looks like he has something small in his left hand...

Maybe he had a "happy-hole?"

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 08:13 PM

The drone could use some curtains....

Maybe chintz......

POJO_Risin

01-13-2006, 08:20 PM

perhaps something in mauve...

and that drone looks downright drab...

it just needs colors...perhaps some earthtones?

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 08:22 PM

Actually, a "have a nice day face" would be fucking hysterical...

FORD

01-13-2006, 08:30 PM

OK, we need WarPig in this thread for the Photoshopping.....

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 08:48 PM

Dress up the Drone.

I see it in red capris, flip-flops, and can we paint a little chin muff on it?

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 08:50 PM

I really hope this prick is a dead, crispy critter though...

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I really hope this prick is a dead, crispy critter though...

If he is, wouldn't it be the third or fourth time we kilt 'im ?

I just don't believe anything that comes from the WH, DOD, CIA, ETC these days....

nuthin.:cool:

kentuckyklira

01-13-2006, 09:03 PM

Nope!

Your people just murdered another 18 innocent civilians, 10 of them women and children!

Enjoy asking yourself why most of the world hates you!

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
Nope!

Your people just murdered another 18 innocent civilians, 10 of them women and children!

Enjoy asking yourself why most of the world hates you!

Well, they shouldn't hang out with these dudes then. And I highly doubt all 18 were innocent.

4moreyears

01-13-2006, 09:09 PM

Finally some good news.

kentuckyklira

01-13-2006, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well, they shouldn't hang out with these dudes then. And I highly doubt all 18 were innocent. It just happened to be a village they call "home"!:(

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
If he is, wouldn't it be the third or fourth time we kilt 'im ?

I just don't believe anything that comes from the WH, DOD, CIA, ETC these days....

nuthin.:cool:

Nope. Similiar name, different terrorist...

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
That's the one in IRAQ. al-Zarqawi.:D

Peek-a-booh! I see you.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/2004/03/19/19_3_2004_Ayman%20al-Zawahiri.jpg
Al-Zawahiri contemplating shoving his rifle up his ass...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/images/zarqawi-05.jpg
"Al-Qaida of Iraq's" al-Zarqawi...

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
It just happened to be a village they call "home"!:(

I'm sorry if innocent kids get killed because their parents were assholes, but I think there's something to this story (for once).

kentuckyklira

01-13-2006, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Nope. Similiar name, different terrorist... Americans aren´t very good at names!

Like with the "accidently" abducted German citizen!

"Oops, sorry, you brown skinned guys all look the same, you know!"

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
Americans aren´t very good at names!

Like with the "accidently" abducted German citizen!

"Oops, sorry, you brown skinned guys all look the same, you know!"

Okay that was funny.:D

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Finally some good news.

My, my, my.....isn't this an interesting slip........

"Finally some good news"

So you admit that things aren't going as swimmingly as BushCO and Chimpy himself would have us believe?

To hear you cons bleat....there's plenty of "good news" coming from over there.

[ here's where we hear about the left wing liberal media :rolleyes: ]

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 09:24 PM

4moreyears

01-13-2006, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
My, my, my.....isn't this an interesting slip........

"Finally some good news"

So you admit that things aren't going as swimmingly as BushCO and Chimpy himself would have us believe?

To hear you cons bleat....there's plenty of "good news" coming from over there.

[ here's where we hear about the left wing liberal media :rolleyes: ]

Hey buddy, thanks for being perceptive. Hopefully we can invade Iran also.

kentuckyklira

01-13-2006, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
There are no accidents....

That was revenge for 99 Luftballoons ;)

Let that be a lesson, her commisar :D So, what do we get for "Seventh Heaven" reruns??

:confused: :confused:

kentuckyklira

01-13-2006, 09:27 PM

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Hey buddy, thanks for being perceptive. Hopefully we can invade Iran also.

Sure, right after we finish in IRAQ in 2026...

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 09:29 PM

LMMFAO @ ky

Cathedral

01-13-2006, 09:29 PM

I'll believe it when i see a corpse.
No.2 ?...None of those fucks are more important to me than the other, just kill them and leave the numbering to the morticians and photgraphers.

"SHOW ME THE CORPSES!!!" - Cat McQuire

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Sure, right after we finish in IRAQ in 2026...

Hey, no artificial timelines, buddy :mad:

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 09:32 PM

They're supposedly doing DNA testing...

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
They're supposedly doing DNA testing...

Always wondered how you test for DNA in a case like this.

Did Al-zwhatsisname's niece give blood recently?

kentuckyklira

01-13-2006, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Always wondered how you test for DNA in a case like this.

Did Al-zwhatsisname's niece give blood recently? They picked up some spittle during the guy´s latest lower east side binge in NYC!

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Always wondered how you test for DNA in a case like this.

Did Al-zwhatsisname's niece give blood recently?

I really don't know, but I've heard some of OSAMA's family gave DNA samples for ID purposes...

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 09:57 PM

Wouldn't Osama's DNA be on file along with his CIA employee file?

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 09:58 PM

I don't think it was ever a formal relationship...:D

POJO_Risin

01-13-2006, 10:04 PM

Well...the good news is that we got some old fucker who was Bin Laden's #2...and hasn't been heard from...or done anything in years...

another moral victory that does absolutely shit...

Just another "Political Call."

The best part about it...is that we can now make the same political call 4 or 5 times per terrorist...

Now that we got the #2...

we'll have at least 10 or so potential Bin Laden hits...

before the midterm elections...

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Well...the good news is that we got some old fucker who was Bin Laden's #2...and hasn't been heard from...or done anything in years...

another moral victory that does absolutely shit...

Just another "Political Call."

The best part about it...is that we can now make the same political call 4 or 5 times per terrorist...

Now that we got the #2...

we'll have at least 10 or so potential Bin Laden hits...

before the midterm elections...

All very good points.

But still, this guy did have at least something to do with 9/11. It's kind of nice the right guy bought-it for once, assuming this is true.

Sucks if innocent kids were caught up in this though...

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I don't think it was ever a formal relationship...:D

I don't care if it ever went further than back seat hand jobs....he was our bitch.

We trained him, we paid him, we fucking armed him to the teeth.

Why can't Chimpy Noriega his ass like poppy did. I fucking guarantee you we have his address. He probably got a Christmas card from Pickles.

Nickdfresh

01-13-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I don't care if it ever went further than back seat hand jobs....he was our bitch.

We trained him, we paid him, we fucking armed him to the teeth.

Why can't Chimpy Noriega his ass like poppy did. I fucking guarantee you we have his address. He probably got a Christmas card from Pickles.

Well, that's true to some extent, (in the SOVIET-AFGHAN WAR) but also way overstated...

The truth is that he was taking money from the SAUDIs more than anything, but there were CIA agents that knew him from what I have read...

LoungeMachine

01-13-2006, 10:35 PM

Overstatements?

Moi?

Shirley, you jest

LMAO

POJO_Risin

01-13-2006, 10:44 PM

You know what...

knowing this guy is living in caves, furnished with curtain covered couches...shitting in caves...fucking his #3 in the ass long enough to run every other day...

for the rest of his life...

is good enough for me...

We've had a hand in just about every, "slime in the bush" terrorist over the past 40 years getting armed...and trained...in one manner or another...

whether it be because we actually did it...funded it...or lost track of where our "illegal, stolen" guns ended up...

You can't cry over spilt milk...

I've read the same shit about the saudis paying him...but you know where some of that "saudi money" came from...

Saudi's get to ride that fence...whispering shit behind our back...while remaining our tentative allies all through it...

fact of the matter is that the Middle East is rife with fucking sandscum that lives their life like a fucking spoiled bitch biting the hand that feeds them.

Fucking bunch of third world nations...that spend billions of dollars growing 10 acres of fucking grass in the middle of the fucking desert to golf on...and somehow get our attention because the 400,000 golf courses in the states aren't enough.

Frankly...I'm sick of this shit...

We get to stay their policing...losing 20-30+ soldiers a week...on our heals...

knowing that we could make the entire fucking population of Iraq police...and the second we fucking walk out...they turn into a fucking "anti-US terrorist" dictatorship again...

cept this time it will be twice as bad...

and 75% of the world will say..."Well..the fucking US did start this shit..."

which I really don't give a shit about...

but it's getting fucking ridiculous. We wallow around these fucking caves looking for 70 year old sand heebs who have dirt infected asses because they hate the US...

what the fuck was this shit about?

Nickdfresh

01-14-2006, 07:07 AM

al-Qaida Leader Not at Site of Airstrike
Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:10 AM EST
The Associated Press
By RIAZ KHAN

DAMADOLA, Pakistan (AP) — Al-Qaida's second-in-command was not at the site of a U.S. airstrike on a Pakistan village near the Afghan border that killed at least 17 people, two senior Pakistani officials said Saturday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, said that Pakistan's own investigation concluded that Ayman al-Zawahri was not in the village of Damadola.

"Their information was wrong, and our investigations conclude that they acted on a false information," said a senior intelligence official who has direct knowledge of the investigations launched by Pakistan to look into the attacks.

Separately, a senior government official told AP that al-Zawahri was not present at the homes which were attacked.

"He was not there, and this is what we know after a detailed probe" into the incident, he said.

Pakistan's government was expected to formally issue its reaction on the attack later Saturday.

kentuckyklira

01-14-2006, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
al-Qaida Leader Not at Site of Airstrike
Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:10 AM EST
The Associated Press
By RIAZ KHAN

DAMADOLA, Pakistan (AP) — Al-Qaida's second-in-command was not at the site of a U.S. airstrike on a Pakistan village near the Afghan border that killed at least 17 people, two senior Pakistani officials said Saturday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, said that Pakistan's own investigation concluded that Ayman al-Zawahri was not in the village of Damadola.

"Their information was wrong, and our investigations conclude that they acted on a false information," said a senior intelligence official who has direct knowledge of the investigations launched by Pakistan to look into the attacks.

Separately, a senior government official told AP that al-Zawahri was not present at the homes which were attacked.

"He was not there, and this is what we know after a detailed probe" into the incident, he said.

Pakistan's government was expected to formally issue its reaction on the attack later Saturday. 17 more sets of friends and relatives that´ll love the USA even more in the future!

thome

01-14-2006, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by FORD
I just find it amusing that a terrorist has a floral print couch.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/barraca/village8mf.gif

I jus think its funny how these International terrorist, scourges of
the world .Seekers of clandestine operations, wanted crimminals,
Bond, James Bond, top secret Underground spys.Who are supposadly
living undergorund allways (as loud as you can say it)....

Stop and Pose for A New 8 by 10 Full Color Glossy Portrait Photograph.

The ego in these supposed terrorists the attention whore,
Paris Hilton monkey these world class pieces of Sh@t wear
on thier shoulder must be a 5000 pound Monster.

Just prooves the, shameless self promotion vanity popularity contest,
is another thing these bastards are guilty of.

thome

01-14-2006, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by thome
I jus think its funny how these International terrorist, scourges of
the world .Seekers of clandestine operations, wanted crimminals,
Bond, James Bond, top secret Underground spys.Who are supposadly
living undergorund allways (as loud as you can say it)....

Stop and Pose for A New 8 by 10 Full Color Glossy Portrait Photograph.

The ego in these supposed terrorists the attention whore,
Paris Hilton monkey these world class pieces of Sh@t wear
on thier shoulder must be a 5000 pound Monster.

Just prooves the, shameless self promotion vanity popularity contest,
is another thing these bastards are guilty of.

Va Beach VH Fan

01-14-2006, 09:46 AM

Yeah, close but no cigar...

They've been reporting it all morning long, as I was doing my weekend routine of drooling over Kirin Chetry (even if she's knocked up).... :D

4moreyears

01-14-2006, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Sure, right after we finish in IRAQ in 2026...

Now you are thinking.

diamondD

01-14-2006, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
Yeah, close but no cigar...

They've been reporting it all morning long, as I was doing my weekend routine of drooling over Kirin Chetry (even if she's knocked up).... :D

I usually don't drool over preggers either, but that girl still looks smoking! :D

Nickdfresh

01-14-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by 4moreyears
Now you are thinking.

I just wish I could say the same about you for once...

4moreyears

01-15-2006, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I just wish I could say the same about you for once...

I know you have a hart time understanding things that is OK.

Nickdfresh

01-15-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by 4moreyears
I know you have a hart time understanding things that is OK.

Yeah, I have such a "hart" time all right...

Idiot .

FORD

01-15-2006, 11:00 AM

Hey, at least we know where to look for the guy now.....

Just find the best decorated cave in the Pakistani mountains.

Seshmeister

01-15-2006, 11:34 AM

FORD

01-15-2006, 11:42 AM

Or just plain BCE stupidity. Or both. (assuming they really thought the guy was there in the first place)

Seshmeister

01-15-2006, 12:40 PM

Dropping bombs on civilian areas just because there may be a guy there you don't like is totally unacceptable.

Even if he was there it's unacceptable.

ODShowtime

01-15-2006, 12:50 PM

It's so embarrassing how many times we've failed with these strikes. The message of ineffectiveness is heard around the world.

Cathedral

01-15-2006, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by ODShowtime
It's so embarrassing how many times we've failed with these strikes. The message of ineffectiveness is heard around the world.

There are some successes with the drones, but one mistake leads to innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire and the targets being missed.
I agree with Sesh here, a target isn't worth killing women and children over and i don't care how good or confident they are that a target is actually in the strike zone.

It's clear to me that we missed the target, again, and i'm quite fed up with how things are being run at this point.
I mean do we actually have good intelligence or are we just fishing with a pistol here?
I tend to think the latter.

Every time something like this happens it sets our progress back by months with the people we are trying to help.

And for me this excuse of it always being bad intel isn't gonna fly anymore. If our intel sucks so bad, and i think it does, we shouldn't be trusting it.

I'm embarrassed for our troops, they are being made a joke of by our own leadership and the way they have half-assed this whole mess.

I have absolutely No Confidence in our government...

BigBadBrian

01-15-2006, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by ODShowtime
It's so embarrassing how many times we've failed with these strikes. The message of ineffectiveness is heard around the world.

Yeah, like when we shot those Tomahawk's at bin Laden and missed.

Or missed Saddam in the Desert Fox campaign.

Embarrassing, huh?

Did you whine then? :rolleyes:

BigBadBrian

01-15-2006, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Dropping bombs on civilian areas just because there may be a guy there you don't like is totally unacceptable.

Even if he was there it's unacceptable.

No, it's not.

:gulp:

FORD

01-15-2006, 02:24 PM

What's amazing is that Brian probably just got home from church, where the Pastor probably preached Jesus' message to love thy neighbor :(

BigBadBrian

01-15-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by FORD
What's amazing is that Brian probably just got home from church, where the Pastor probably preached Jesus' message to love thy neighbor :(

Actually, I didn't make it today. I was up late watching the NE/Denver game. The first time I've missed in about six months.

Cathedral

01-15-2006, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
No, it's not.

:gulp:

YES, it is...

Given our success rate on these strikes, you bet your ass it is.

Killing 20 civilians in order to get one #2 badguy is totally unacceptable, my friend.

FORD

01-15-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Cathedral
YES, it is...

Given our success rate on these strikes, you bet your ass it is.

Killing 20 civilians in order to get one #2 badguy is totally unacceptable, my friend.

Let alone killing 100,000 civillians (or even the 30,000 Chimp admitted to) to catch one bad guy who didn't even do anything to us.

Nickdfresh

01-15-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Yeah, like when we shot those Tomahawk's at bin Laden and missed.

Or missed Saddam in the Desert Fox campaign.

Embarrassing, huh?

Did you whine then? :rolleyes:

Actually the Tomahawks hit the target, so they didn't miss. Bin Laden wasn't there, though they may have killed dozens, or even 100's, of "al-Qaeda," if there was indeed such an organization...

The missiles probably killed women and children as well, and that is terrible and regrettable, but perhaps terrorists should lose their wives and children in retaliatory attacks, since they have obvious little regard for others' wives and children whom they kill in wanton bombings...

FORD

01-15-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Actually the Tomahawks hit the target, so they didn't miss. Bin Laden wasn't there, though they may have killed dozens, or even 100's, of "al-Qaeda," if there was indeed such an organization...

The missiles probably killed women and children as well, and that is terrible and regrettable, but perhaps terrorists should lose their wives and children in retaliatory attacks, since they have obvious little regard for others' wives and children whom they kill in wanton bombings...

The terrorists would probably consider their relatives to be "martyrs for Allah".

I'm more concerned with what it makes Americans look like.

Of course "we" have been doing this for sometime now, Hiroshima being the most obvious historic example. It was reported as a "military base" on the radio at the time, when it was nothing of the sort.

I believe America SHOULD be better than that. Deliberate civilian targeting, that is.

Nickdfresh

01-15-2006, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by FORD
The terrorists would probably consider their relatives to be "martyrs for Allah".

I'm more concerned with what it makes Americans look like.

Of course "we" have been doing this for sometime now, Hiroshima being the most obvious historic example. It was reported as a "military base" on the radio at the time, when it was nothing of the sort.

I believe America SHOULD be better than that. Deliberate civilian targeting, that is.

I didn't say deliberate civilian targeting, I'm just saying I'm not going to feel too bad if there was indeed terrorists and supporters there putting their families into harms way, that's all. I think we should avoid collateral damage, if at all possible. And Hiroshima isn't the best example, I think in Tokyo, we killed far more civilians via fire-bombing than by the atom-bombs...

Read "Fly-Boys" which recounts Japanese babies literally cooked, and bursting, while strapped on their mothers backs as they ran to the sea to escape the fires...And the fact that US B-29 crewman in essence admitted that they were "baby-killers."

Not to mention Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, and dozens of German cities in WWII that we incinerated in order to reduce industrial production and to break German will to fight...It was 'okay,' because we knew full well what the Germans had been doing to the Jews and others...