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  • Unchainme
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Apr 2005
    • 7746

    Looks Like Another War

    Iran on nuclear collision course
    By Jim Muir
    BBC News


    There is a strange-looking building alongside the headquarters of the Iranian Atomic Energy Organisation, in its spacious compound in north-central Tehran.

    It looks like an early attempt at a modernistic mosque. There is a big, rather flat dome, with a tall, square column sticking up beside it, that could be a minaret.

    But this is, in fact, the Tehran Nuclear Research Reactor - and there is nothing particularly secret about it.


    Many Iranians feel the West's policy is hypocritical

    In fact, I was allowed to film there several times, though we had to make sure the call to prayer was not going on at the time, otherwise people would have thought it really was a mosque.

    The reactor was the first foundation-stone in Iran's nuclear programme. It was constructed back in the 1950s.

    By now, you have probably guessed who built it. That is right - the Americans. They even gave the Iranians some highly-enriched uranium to experiment with as well.

    'Double standard'

    Of course, things were very different then. Iran was ruled by the Shah, and the Islamic revolution was still in the distant future.


    Iran's government is sticking to its guns over its nuclear ambitions

    The point is that there is so much geopolitics and hype surrounding the Iranian nuclear issue, that it is hard to get an objective perspective on it.

    It is of course the Americans who are now prodding the campaign to pressure the Iranians into giving up their nuclear ambitions. The US and Iran have been bitterly at odds since the Iranian revolution in 1979 and the hostage-taking at the US embassy in Tehran.

    Today, American forces practically encircle Iran. They are on warships in the Gulf, in bases on its Arab side, and all over the place in neighbouring Afghanistan to the east, and Iraq to the west.

    Hard-liners in Washington clearly hope, that after the Taleban and Saddam Hussein, the Islamic regime in Tehran will be next to go.

    So it is not surprising that they should seize the nuclear issue as a stick with which to beat Iran - and equally unsurprising that Tehran should see the mounting international pressure as an American-orchestrated campaign to force an independent nation into submission.

    That is an argument that goes down well with many ordinary Iranians, including some who are not fans of the Islamic regime. It is hard for them not to agree that there is a double standard at play.

    Everybody knows, they say, that America's closest regional ally Israel, has basements full of nuclear weapons, but nobody says a word about it. Nearby Pakistan and India both have the bomb too. So why not us?

    Conservative victory

    The authorities, of course, insist that they are not after nuclear arms, just peaceful power. But there is a nationalist streak in most Iranians.



    Hostility to the US has been high since the days of the hostage crisis

    Many would be proud if they did join the nuclear club, and assume that is what their leaders are trying to do, though some would not want the bombs to be in the hands of the current regime.

    Whether the West likes it or not, it has become an issue of national pride, which is why there is not much audible dissent across the normally fractious political spectrum.

    But that is not to say that there no different approaches. Until late 2003, it looked as though the nuclear issue might just act as a bridge to draw Iran out of its isolation.

    While insisting on their right in principle to develop their own nuclear fuel, a combination of reformists and pragmatic conservatives agreed with Britain, France and Germany to suspend Iran's enrichment activities.

    At one moment, it even looked as though Tehran had driven a considerable wedge between the three big European powers, and the US.

    But then two years ago came a lurch towards the hard line, when the conservatives won general elections, and then took the presidency last year.

    Iraqi example

    The detente fostered by former President Mohammad Khatami has gone down the drain, along with the goodwill of men like British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who made more trips to Tehran than to anywhere else. The European carrot has become a stick.

    At the moment, it looks as though Iran has gone into reverse, on a course that may lead to greater isolation and diplomatic and economic pressures.

    It is not yet certain that it will face international sanctions after referral to the UN Security Council.

    It always used to slip off the hook at the last moment, though the new hardline leaders, especially the president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is less inclined and less adept at that.

    If it does come to the crunch, Iran will not be an easy nut to crack - especially on this issue, where there is not likely to be a big split between the regime and the people.

    A few years ago, some Iranians were tempted to think that the Americans might be able to bring them a better life. But now, looking at the chaos just next door in Iraq, they have had second thoughts.

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  • Unchainme
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Apr 2005
    • 7746

    #2
    Maybe they really are going to have to bring back the draft
    Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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    • Phil theStalker
      Full Member Status

      • Jan 2004
      • 3804

      #3
      No draft since Vietnam f4or a reason.

      The mmarching in da streets is ova.

      Next stop, revolt!

      Aff dis gov does anything like dat tit will show dat it's just like Hitler's gov.


      true dat





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      • Big Troubles
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Feb 2004
        • 8512

        #4
        Iran has the right to do the research. I think beyond that it becomes an international issue. But again, I dont think Iran cares. People get scared when they find out that the enemy has the same capabilities of destruction as we do. It would be nice if we all just went back to throwing snowballs and wads of spit paper.
        "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKIN' BITCH! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAYS? TALK TO ME LIKE THAT? FUCK YOU. DRAG QUEEN LOOKIN' WHORE- YOU AINT SHIT. YOUR THE FRECKLE TO THE LEFT OF MY BROWN EYE. NOW GO MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL...OH, PUT DAD ON THE PHONE"

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        • Phil theStalker
          Full Member Status

          • Jan 2004
          • 3804

          #5
          Originally posted by Big Troubles
          Iran has the right to do the research. I think beyond that it becomes an international issue. But again, I dont think Iran cares. People get scared when they find out that the enemy has the same capabilities of destruction as we do. It would be nice if we all just went back to throwing snowballs and wads of spit paper.
          After da Third Werld War dat's wot we'll bee doing.





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          THEY WERE THROWING SNOWBALLS IN BOSTON BEF4ORE BANG BANG!
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          • Phil theStalker
            Full Member Status

            • Jan 2004
            • 3804

            #6
            Originally posted by Big Troubles
            It would be nice if we all just went back to throwing snowballs and wads of spit paper.
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            • Jerry Falwell

              #7
              I don't think we HAVE to do anything about this in all honesty. I seriously doubt that Israel will allow Iran to develope nuclear weapons. For that matter, France and Germany better watch out too. Afterall, Iran's crackpot leadership is trying to pave the way for their messiah.

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58754

                #8
                Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
                Afterall, (the BCE's) crackpot leadership is trying to pave the way for (the return of the one they falsely claim as) their messiah.
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Jerry Falwell

                  #9
                  Ford, that's an idiotic statement.

                  You should know that the BCE believes that their Messiah has already come.

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 58754

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
                    Ford, that's an idiotic statement.

                    You should know that the BCE believes that their Messiah has already come.
                    Yes, but the real Jesus does not know them

                    (Matthew 25)
                    Eat Us And Smile

                    Cenk For America 2024!!

                    Justice Democrats


                    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                    • Va Beach VH Fan
                      ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 17913

                      #11
                      I just find it funny that when it comes to airstrikes, sending in troops, etc., no one EVER mentions North Korea...

                      It just might be that they think those crazy fuckers will actually use those nukes...

                      Smart move...
                      Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49136

                        #12
                        A very good point..

                        Also, I hope nobody thinks that one airstrike on a reactor is going to set back IRAN, like the Israelis did in 1981 to Iraq. Iran is smarter than that, and has long dispersed their research and it's believed some of it is conducted underground...

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                        • LoungeMachine
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 32555

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
                          I just find it funny that when it comes to airstrikes, sending in troops, etc., no one EVER mentions North Korea...

                          It just might be that they think those crazy fuckers will actually use those nukes...

                          Smart move...
                          North Korea has Oil ?????


                          [johnnie carson impression] I did not know that





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                          • NATEDOG001976
                            Veteran
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 2369

                            #14
                            A great solution for Iran, drop 5 nukes on them!
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                            • Cathedral
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6620

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NATEDOG001976
                              A great solution for Iran, drop 5 nukes on them!
                              Great?
                              Not hardly when you consider where five nukes worth of Fallout is going to go.
                              Do you think Irans neighbors would appreciate us infecting their people with radiation?
                              Or how about our troops surrounding Iran?
                              And how long before it cycles around to our own country?

                              This idea is anything but a great one if you ask me.

                              Let's hope diplomacy works this time, though i can already tell you that Bush isn't all that interested in diplomacy any more than he was with Iraq.
                              If the UN is unresponsive this time, it will be a repeat of Iraq and like Iraq, I don't see them taking any action unless they do it to steer us off the war path.

                              I think i actually saw Bush salvating over the concept of attacking Iraq in his last speech...He wouldn't hesitate either.

                              But guess what, the fan is running and the shit is in position to fly, guarenteed.

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