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frets5150
01-20-2006, 03:03 PM
'American Taliban' Father Urges Clemency
SAN FRANCISCO (Jan. 20) - After years of silence, the father of American-born Taliban soldier John Walker Lindh called on President Bush on Thursday to grant clemency to his son, who he says was wrongly maligned as a traitor and murderer With a picture of his son behind him, Frank Lindh describes the young man in loving terms in a speech Thursday at the Commonwealth Club of California in San Francisco."In simple terms, this is the story of a decent and honorable young man embarked on a spiritual quest," said Frank Lindh, swallowing back tears at times during a speech at the Commonwealth Club, a nonprofit organization.

Frank Lindh said that although his son had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 attacks, they ended up adding dire consequences to his decision to join the Taliban, targeted by the U.S. after the 2001 attacks for harboring al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

"Being viewed through the prism of those attacks has caused this young man to be vilified as a terrorist and a traitor," the elder Lindh said.

John Walker Lindh, who turns 25 next month, was 20 when he was captured by American forces on Nov. 21, 2001, alongside Taliban fighters.

Charged with conspiring to kill Americans and supporting terrorists, the younger Lindh avoided a potential life sentence in 2002 by pleading guilty to lesser charges of supplying services to the Taliban in violation of U.S. economic sanctions and of carrying weapons against U.S. forces. In exchange, John Walker Lindh agreed to withdraw claims of abuse or torture.

Until now, his parents have mostly maintained a public silence about the case, hoping to avoid a media barrage that could be detrimental to their son. But on Thursday Frank Lindh shared baby pictures and other photos of his son during the presentation and said he is proud of his child.

Frank Lindh said he decided to break his silence because he hoped the story of his boy's journey from bucolic Marin County to harsh Afghanistan battlefields will help him get a reduction in his 20-year prison sentence. Last year his son renewed his request for clemency, already rejected once.

John Walker Lindh, raised Catholic, was 12 when he saw the movie "Malcolm X" and became interested in Islam, his father said. A few years later he converted to Islam in a mosque in Mill Valley.

With his parents' blessings, he headed to Yemen, and later Pakistan, to memorize the Quran and become an Islamic scholar.

What did Frank Lindh think of his son's decision to pursue these studies?

"It's a wonderful thing for an American kid to go overseas and study, to learn another language, to learn another religion, these are great things," he said.

In the spring of 2001, John Walker Lindh told his parents he was going to dodge the desert heat and spend the summer in the mountains of Pakistan. He did not tell his parents that he planned to cross into Afghanistan and join the Taliban army.

The younger Lindh saw bin Laden speak twice while he was training in Afghanistan, but had no idea that he was involved in terrorism against the U.S., his father said.

On Thursday, Frank Lindh emphasized that John Walker Lindh was involved in an Afghan war, not a fight against the U.S., when the Muslim convert joined the Taliban army to fight the Northern Alliance. He noted that the U.S. once supported Taliban fighters when they were fighting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

"What happened unfortunately for John is that the United States made an abrupt change after the 9-11 attacks," Frank Lindh said. "We switched sides. John was on the ground there when that happened. He certainly didn't go to Afghanistan to do anything against America. He never fought against America. He never fired a gun at an American. He was simply rescued."

Or he thought he had been rescued, his father said, until he was taken into custody, duct taped naked on a stretcher and held in a metal shipping container for two days.

Frank Lindh said he would have urged his son not to get involved in the fighting had he known of his plans.

"If he had asked, I would have told him, 'John, we don't have a stake in that fight,'" said Frank Lindh. "I would have told him that if he wants to help, he should go work in a refugee camp."

Even so, Frank Lindh said his son did no wrong.

"I feel very proud of my son. He acted with great integrity throughout this entire ordeal. He's a great kid. He has more integrity and more dignity than any politician or any journalist that I've ever met," he said.

As passionately as Frank Lindh is advocating for his son's clemency, there is another father fighting just as hard to extend John Walker Lindh's sentence by getting him convicted of murder or treason.

Johnny Spann is the father of CIA officer Johnny Micheal "Mike" Spann, who was killed in a prison riot after being videotaped speaking with John Walker Lindh.

Johnny Spann is conducting his own investigation into the origins of the riot at the Mazar-e-Sharif prison, where suspected Taliban supporters were held. Spann contends that the uprising began with a planned grenade attack inside the prison building rather than a spontaneous scuffle outside where his son was interviewing prisoners, including Lindh.

Frank Lindh, a San Rafael, Calif. attorney for Pacific Gas and Electric Co., said he and Lindh's mother, Marilyn Walker, an office manager who lives in San Anselmo, visit their son for long weekends each month at the medium security federal penitentiary in Victorville, Calif.

"The silver lining in this whole cloud is that we have wonderful visits with our son," said Frank Lindh. "Ordinarily a son who is 25 doesn't have much time to spend with his father. But we have a lot of time."

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Ask Chimpie

:rolleyes:

BigBadBrian
01-20-2006, 03:15 PM
Do you agree with Mr. Lindh, frets?

jhale667
01-20-2006, 03:24 PM
Is actually 'guilty' of anything other than being a dumbass? :confused:

frets5150
01-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Do you agree with Mr. Lindh, frets?

Yes I do but asking CHIMPIE the Murdering DoucheBag for Clemency is a joke...

BigBadBrian
01-20-2006, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
Is actually 'guilty' of anything other than being a dumbass? :confused:

Yes, he took up arms against the United States of America.

He got what he deserved.

Filthy little bastard. :mad:

jhale667
01-20-2006, 03:45 PM
Well then he's fucked, isn't he? :D

Cathedral
01-20-2006, 04:12 PM
Whether or not he took up arms against the US, I don't know.
But he did join the Taliban Army at a very inconvenient time and was a member at the time the Taliban were declared the enemy.
He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but he knew along with the rest of the Taliban Army that we were coming after them.

He could have fled Afghanistan, but he didn't, so, what he's getting is just and deserved in my mind.

He was aligned with the enemy and I knew the Taliban were a terror organization long before he was "captured", so the US standing with the Taliban is not of any relevance to me.

In all honesty the boy is lucky to even be alive, so let's compare 20 years in prison to death?
There is no comparison and he's going to serve his time, period.

We are all responsible for our own decisions, and he chose to join the Taliban Army, a decision he now regrets and that's too bad, but that's the path he chose.

His parents would better serve him by not giving him any false hope that he'll get a reduced sentence. it will only make it tougher on the kid.
He needs to take his medicine like the man who was grown up enough to join a terror group because he thought he was making a difference.

thome
01-20-2006, 04:14 PM
A good thing not mentioned here is he in with the Christians ,
The Muslims, The Hispanics,The white supremacists,Who has
he aligned himself with in the Joint?
Is lindh, repentant is he still a crusader against america ?
He is slightly retarded and from a family that has no structure when
it comes to controlling their sons, Anti American activities.?

[John Walker Lindh, raised Catholic, was 12 when he saw the movie "Malcolm X" and became interested in Islam, his father said. A few years later he converted to Islam in a mosque in Mill Valley.]

So in his fathers statement :Malcom X led him to Islam not the
peaceful study of the origins of religion and Faith.Voilence against
our country by malcom X is OK'd buy the Father.And blessed w a trip
to where the most violent sect in the world holds court.

Once again the freedom he enjoyed was orchesrated by the Father
I believe the Fathers pleas are selfish he blames himself for
his sons jail sentance and is seeking forgiveness thru his sons
problems He is useing his son once again .for selfish reasons.

I can almost garauntee you this kid was at the point of condishoning
by the taliban he would have been a willing suicide bomber at a moments notice.

Cathedral
01-20-2006, 04:36 PM
Here's another option:
Release him at the Afghan Border and forget about him.
If he's ever seen entering the US again he goes away for life.

That's about as far as i would go in giving him the benefit of the doubt.
His Dad's love for his son is clear, and i feel for his parents, but as i said before, we pay a price, good or bad, for every decision we make and the boy made his own bed, and it was in Afghanistan.

DrMaddVibe
01-20-2006, 06:45 PM
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Fuck him.

BITEYOASS
01-21-2006, 12:18 AM
Throw him in for life at the nearest Federal pounding in the ass prison.

Nickdfresh
01-21-2006, 07:10 AM
It's too early to release him, but if Michael (douche bag) FORTIER gets off in 10 after a plea deal for aiding and abetting the killing of innocent civilians and American Law Enforcement officers, in Oklahoma City with a dastardly terrorist bombing, then this guy should get five-years at the most...

BigBadBrian
01-21-2006, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
It's too early to release him, but if Michael (douche bag) FORTIER gets off in 10 after a plea deal for aiding and abetting the killing of innocent civilians and American Law Enforcement officers, in Oklahoma City with a dastardly terrorist bombing, then this guy should get five-years at the most...

FORTIER.....

That lousy cunt is getting off easy.

:mad:

Don't get me started.

knuckleboner
01-22-2006, 09:10 PM
yes he is...but that's how justice works, sometimes. obviously, the feds thought they needed more evidence against mcveigh. and in the end, they got him (and mcaulliff).

as for johnny walker yellow? leave him in jail for a while. i don't necessarily want to see him die in prison.

but he i don't think he's come close to doing his time, either.