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  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21888

    Impeachment hearings: The White House prepares for the worst...

    The Bush administration is bracing for impeachment hearings in Congress.

    "A coalition in Congress is being formed to support impeachment," an administration source said.



    Sources said a prelude to the impeachment process could begin with hearings by the Senate Judiciary Committee in February. They said the hearings would focus on the secret electronic surveillance program and whether Mr. Bush violated the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
    Administration sources said the charges are expected to include false reports to Congress as well as Mr. Bush's authorization of the National Security Agency to engage in electronic surveillance inside the United States without a court warrant. This included the monitoring of overseas telephone calls and e-mail traffic to and from people living in the United States without requisite permission from a secret court.

    Sources said the probe to determine whether the president violated the law will include Republicans, but that they may not be aware they could be helping to lay the groundwork for a Democratic impeachment campaign against Mr. Bush.

    "Our arithmetic shows that a majority of the committee could vote against the president," the source said. "If we work hard, there could be a tie."
    The law limits the government surveillance to no more than 72 hours without a court warrant. The president, citing his constitutional war powers, has pledged to continue wiretaps without a warrant.

    The hearings would be accompanied by several lawsuits against the administration connected to the surveillance program. At the same time, the Electronic Privacy Information Center has filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that demands information about the NSA spying.

    Sen. Arlen Specter, Senate Judiciary Committee chairman and Pennsylvania Republican, has acknowledged that the hearings could conclude with a vote of whether Mr. Bush violated the law. Mr. Specter, a critic of the administration’s surveillance program, stressed that, although he would not seek it, impeachment is a possible outcome.

    "Impeachment is a remedy," Mr. Specter said on Jan. 15. "After impeachment, you could have a criminal prosecution. But the principal remedy under our society is to pay a political price."

    Mr. Specter and other senior members of the committee have been told by legal constitutional experts that Mr. Bush did not have the authority to authorize unlimited secret electronic surveillance. Another leading Republican who has rejected the administration's argument is Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas.

    On Jan. 16, former Vice President Al Gore set the tone for impeachment hearings against Mr. Bush by accusing the president of lying to the American people. Mr. Gore, who lost the 2000 election to Mr. Bush, accused the president of "indifference" to the Constitution and urged a serious congressional investigation. He said the administration decided to break the law after Congress refused to change the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

    "A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government," Mr. Gore said.

    "I call upon members of Congress in both parties to uphold your oath of office and defend the Constitution,” he said. “Stop going along to get along. Start acting like the independent and co-equal branch of American government that you are supposed to be under the constitution of our country."

    Impeachment proponents in Congress have been bolstered by a memorandum by the Congressional Research Service on Jan. 6. CRS, which is the research arm of Congress, asserted in a report by national security specialist Alfred Cumming that the amended 1947 law requires the president to keep all members of the House and Senate intelligence committees "fully and currently informed" of a domestic surveillance effort. It was the second CRS report in less than a month that questioned the administration's domestic surveillance program.

    The latest CRS report said Mr. Bush should have briefed the intelligence committees in the House and Senate. The report said covert programs must be reported to House and Senate leaders as well as the chairs of the intelligence panels, termed the "Gang of Eight."

    Administration sources said Mr. Bush would wage a vigorous defense of electronic surveillance and other controversial measures enacted after 9/11. They said the president would begin with pressure on Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Mr. Bush would then point to security measures taken by the former administration of President Bill Clinton.

    "The argument is that the American people will never forgive any public official who knowingly hurts national security," an administration source said. "We will tell the American people that while we have done everything we can to protect them, our policies are being endangered by a hypocritical Congress."

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    President Bush hooted excitedly to the press on Jan. 22 after returning to the White House from Camp David.
  • wolfy5150
    Roth Army Recruit
    • Nov 2005
    • 3

    #2
    Its hard to form a coalition when the Presidents party holds a majority in both houses of Congress.This is much ado about nothing.
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    • Warham
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Mar 2004
      • 14589

      #3
      ::crickets chirping::

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      • Cathedral
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2004
        • 6621

        #4
        This will be another waste of tax payer money to learn what i already know, no laws were broken if all the monitored calls are International calls, and Bush admits to that.

        There had better be some proof that domestic calls were also monitored or like i said, it's just a waste of tax payer money and it is an election year, those tax payers will be watching.

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        • DR CHIP
          Foot Soldier
          • Jan 2004
          • 618

          #5
          Hardrock I understand your frustration with what can be taken as an erosion of our privacies and liberties, but as Cat above has said "no laws were broken if all the monitored calls are International calls"....

          My opinion is that this is an election year and the political drama will be high, but nothing will stick on the Pres unless he was monitorng things he isn't telling us...and if they can cover up 9/11 as you say, then how in the hell can't they cover up a few phone calls?

          Peace

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          • DLR'sCock
            Crazy Ass Mofo
            • Jan 2004
            • 2937

            #6
            Well, the first thing that needs to be undestood is that nobody really knows who they were monitoring and how many, so what needs to be done is get that information and finds out what the truth is and what sin't and go from there.

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49205

              #7
              Originally posted by wolfy5150
              Its hard to form a coalition when the Presidents party holds a majority in both houses of Congress.This is much ado about nothing.
              ARLEN SPECTOR has publicly mulled the possibility of impeachment....

              And Republicans are now beginning to distance themselves for the more corrupt elements in their party, the pols like DeLAY that once instilled fear are now marginalized increasingly. With a President attached to the historically lowest public opinion poll numbers of any sitting President entering a second term other than NIXON, anything is possible...

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49205

                #8
                Originally posted by DR CHIP
                Hardrock I understand your frustration with what can be taken as an erosion of our privacies and liberties, but as Cat above has said "no laws were broken if all the monitored calls are International calls"....

                My opinion is that this is an election year and the political drama will be high, but nothing will stick on the Pres unless he was monitorng things he isn't telling us...and if they can cover up 9/11 as you say, then how in the hell can't they cover up a few phone calls?

                Peace
                If Americans were making those international calls, then in fact laws were broken...

                Those conducting Surveillance, electronic of visual, need to go to the FISA Court to get a warrant for such wide sweeping powers, that's why there is a FISA court existing, because this was the kind of COINTEL PRO crap from the 60's and 70's that was overreaching and in fact counterproductive towards intelligence gathering. In short, not only is it an erosion of civil liberties, it binds up the system with so much info, that they can't determine the real threats....

                The 9/11 hijackers were in US flight schools bragging that they didn't care to learn how to land a plane, citizens turned them into the FBI, nobody was put under surveillance and the case was ignored by HQ even though several FBI agents complained in frustration. but I'm supposed to believe that monitoring phone calls would have saved us all? I seriously doubt it!

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                • Hardrock69
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 21888

                  #9
                  Anyone who trusts Chimpy & his band of Criminal Clowns is delusional.

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                  • LoungeMachine
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                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32576

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Hardrock69
                    Anyone who trusts Chimpy & his band of Criminal Clowns is delusional.
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                    • Warham
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 14589

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      ARLEN SPECTOR has publicly mulled the possibility of impeachment....

                      And Republicans are now beginning to distance themselves for the more corrupt elements in their party, the pols like DeLAY that once instilled fear are now marginalized increasingly. With a President attached to the historically lowest public opinion poll numbers of any sitting President entering a second term other than NIXON, anything is possible...
                      They don't have anything to worry about. The Democrats keep doing dumbass things to make themselves irrelevant on an almost weekly basis. Take for instance the latest John Kerry/Ted Kennedy filibuster snafu, where they looked like asses in front of the Senate. The public pays attention to shit like that.

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58785

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                        ARLEN SPECTOR has publicly mulled the possibility of impeachment....

                        And Republicans are now beginning to distance themselves for the more corrupt elements in their party, the pols like DeLAY that once instilled fear are now marginalized increasingly. With a President attached to the historically lowest public opinion poll numbers of any sitting President entering a second term other than NIXON, anything is possible...
                        If Arlen Spector was going to bring down the BCE, he could have done so 40 years ago. Arlen's also a "pro choice" Republican who just allowed an Opus Dei fascist on the Supreme Court, so it's obvious Arlen's word is worth about as much as his magic bullet theory.

                        If we leave Chimpeachment in his hands, we'll probably end up with the 22nd ammendment repealed instead.
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                        • Cathedral
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 6621

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          If Americans were making those international calls, then in fact laws were broken...

                          Those conducting Surveillance, electronic of visual, need to go to the FISA Court to get a warrant for such wide sweeping powers, that's why there is a FISA court existing, because this was the kind of COINTEL PRO crap from the 60's and 70's that was overreaching and in fact counterproductive towards intelligence gathering. In short, not only is it an erosion of civil liberties, it binds up the system with so much info, that they can't determine the real threats....

                          The 9/11 hijackers were in US flight schools bragging that they didn't care to learn how to land a plane, citizens turned them into the FBI, nobody was put under surveillance and the case was ignored by HQ even though several FBI agents complained in frustration. but I'm supposed to believe that monitoring phone calls would have saved us all? I seriously doubt it!
                          Right, and so we arrive right back where we started. and my question is the same. it has been said that Bush "circumvented" FISA law because their activities can not work under FISA conditions.
                          My question is Why?, and i would like it explained to me the reason the current law had to be avoided.

                          And also, Nick, I don't see why Americans would be involved in these calls so i don't see Americans as being the target of any of this surveillance. Given that detail, no laws are being broken.

                          But still, he's operating outside of the law, but from what i know, he's doing it legally.
                          I just don't believe he's arrogant enough-bold enough-smart enough to pull off such an illegal operation without ultimately getting busted.

                          My gut tells me they won't find that any laws are broken.

                          If i'm wrong, and they do, then buh bye ba-Bush-ka....

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                          • Warham
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 14589

                            #14
                            You guys think Bush did this kind of thing without consulting somebody first...like a lawyer on his staff? I mean, he is the Supreme Chancellor of the BCE. He must be smart enough to figure out he'll be busted if he doesn't follow the letter of the law, right?

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                            • Cathedral
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6621

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Warham
                              They don't have anything to worry about. The Democrats keep doing dumbass things to make themselves irrelevant on an almost weekly basis. Take for instance the latest John Kerry/Ted Kennedy filibuster snafu, where they looked like asses in front of the Senate. The public pays attention to shit like that.
                              The whole process is just childish, and the more i look at it, the younger it gets.
                              I feel this need to send every Senator and Congressperson a pacifier to reward them for their dedication to their jobs.
                              They are all failing us miserably and somehow need to get the message that this current state of political affairs just isn't going to fly anymore.

                              Our kid's deserve better than where we're leading them.

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