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  • Cathedral
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6621

    Bush has GOT to Go!!!

    You all know how i feel about NAFTA and CAFTA, the so-called Fair Trade deals, right?
    Well, since the auto industry is in such trouble i decided to explore why exactly.

    Over the last week 3 people i know that work in the auto industry lost their jobs. 2 at the Ford plant in Batavia and a cousin who works for Chrysler in their Detroit office.

    I have heard for years how people who buy foreign cars claim it has no effect on America, well that is wholly incorrect, and here's why.

    For every 100 cars any of the big 3 auto makers sell there are 23 American jobs supported. For every 100 foreign cars sold here in america only 11 american jobs are supported economically.
    So in reality, if you buy a foreign car you are pulling the rug out from under 12 American jobs.
    Deny it all you want, but the numbers don't lie.
    So before you go buying that new Lexus or Honda, keep this in mind.

    If a Fair Trade deal were actually Fair, these numbers would be equal, right?
    We allow foreign companies to sell their products here but in most cases our products are charged higher tarriff's on their end, and in some cases they reject the shipments all together.

    Mexico actually suffers the hardest from these deals when we should have in place agreements that protect Mexico and team us up with Canada as well.
    If these Free Trade Agreements were to be fixed it could mean a reduction in illegal immigration from mexico because there would be more work with better pay in their own country.

    The numbers don't lie, and the fact is that only 35 people actually benefit from Nafta and Cafta....Bush being one of those people, the rest being fat cat Billionaire's who don't give a damn about our own people.
    We have lost a substantial amount of our own sovereignty because of these deals and in fact, we are being sold down the river at an alarming rate by this administration.

    Outsourcing is nothing but protection for american companies who no longer want to pay higher wages to american workers, still think these agreements are Fair?......your blind if you do.

    We have got to start a movement that stops and corrects these deals. and for those who don't want to pay up and give as good as they get, they should be made to find another supplier.

    It won't be long until this damage will be irreversable, and the clock is ticking.
    We must come together on this and begin a movement because we were let down by our state representatives when they failed to block CAFTA, and knew damn well they should have.

    Here's how we start.
    Find out how your reps voted on CAFTA, and if they voted for it, boot them out of office and tell them why.

    Politicians should be held accountable for their shortcomings and actions of greed, from your local City Council right up to the President of the United States.
    It's our country to protect, not theirs to destroy, and we all must make a stand and remind these tools who they work for, the people that elected them.
    If they don't change course and move to correct these mistakes then we end their terms at the first possible opportunity.

    Look, if any of our leaders felt accountable at all to the voters, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing without fear of having to answer for it.

    The political games must stop and we must take our country back, and the time is now...........
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58777

    #2
    I was opposed to NAFTA from day one. Even though it was Poppy's creation (and contrary to right wing talk radio opinion, he was the one who signed it), I'll never forgive Clinton and the DLC moles for pushing the ratification of this shit.

    Perot was right. The Unions were right. Corporatized "free trade" sucks ass!
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • thome
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Mar 2005
      • 6677

      #3
      I didn't want to post when i read the opening piece and i still don't,
      since i read Fords. It's all about the -Unions- and I have to many Union friends......

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      • Cathedral
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2004
        • 6621

        #4
        Originally posted by thome
        I didn't want to post when i read the opening piece and i still don't,
        since i read Fords. It's all about the -Unions- and I have to many Union friends......
        What do you mean it's all about the Unions?
        The Unions suffer from this Corporate Greed more than anyone does.
        The majority of manufacturing jobs that have been sent overseas were Union jobs.
        Because you have friends in the Unions, as do i, i'd think you would want to try and reverse these Anti-American-Worker Trade Deals?

        Ford, this is one of those areas where i think both sides are against us, buddy.
        Clinton should have squashed NAFTA without a moments hesitation.
        But since he was the one who enacted it, he was the one i blamed for it when SSI lost all of it's work due to outsourcing and we all lost our jobs.
        This shit just isn't right and it has to stop.
        I don't want to vote for anyone who doesn't make fixing or killing NAFTA and CAFTA a priority.

        American Jobs Belong In America, Period!

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58777

          #5
          There are some Democrats - Clinton is probably one of them - who claimed they supported NAFTA because they thought they could actually help other countries come up to the level of the US as far as working conditions, wages, etc.

          While that's an admirable goal, it certainly shouldn't come at the expense of the American working class. But that has been the result. And even those who are still gainfully employed have been hit by this crap, in addition to all the other economic damage caused by BCE policies. If you're still making the same money (on paper) that you made in $2000, the reality is you're earning a lot less. Due to the oil price ripoff and its ripple effect on damn near everything else. And beyond that the health care prices that are completely out of control. My premiums have increased by about 500% since 2000, and it's not due to anything on my part.

          The whole goddamn system is broken, and I'll be damned if I know how to fix it. But the obvious first step is to remove the corporatists from the federal government.

          By whatever means neccessary. And no, I didn't stutter, Mr. lurking federal agent.
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10623

            #6
            Gotta agree with FORD and Cat with their posts in this thread.

            Start the Fireworks.


            Anyway, I think this should be THEE major issue in the '06 mid-term and '08 Presidential elections. Not the "War on Terror" , not education, not abortion, not anything but protecting American jobs.

            Hey, Globalization is here to stay and it's a fact of life. I realize that. But the trade balance is simply ridiculous. American corporations are fucking over the American worker and are being enabled by those fucking fat cats of both parties in Congress. They need to be shit-canned, every damned one of them.
            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49181

              #7
              Companies that outsource American jobs, or place their "headquarters" in the Bahamas to avoid being labeled a US company, need to be made to pay severe tax penalties, for the tax revenue that is lost, and the unemployment benefits received by US workers...

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              • Cathedral
                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                • Jan 2004
                • 6621

                #8
                Alrighty then, now we're talkin...keep the support coming, get out and start it growing so the buzz can get started.

                The war in Iraq won't be an election issue until '08 since Bush is in office until then.
                Jobs should most definately be the main issue this mid-term and follow through and accompany Iraq in '08 when something can actually be changed there by a new administration.

                As BBB said, and i agree, I am aware of globalization and willing to play the game IF THE RULES ARE FAIR, and they're damn sure not right now.
                I said it 12 years ago, the job losses will continue and they have at an even larger rate than i thought back then.
                Now with CAFTA added to it, what the hell does anyone realistically expect to happen?

                I hope people like being on their feet because waiting tables makes them hurt after a few hours.
                That's where the majority of jobs were created in the last 3 quarters, so don't let the numbers fool you.
                Manufacturing used to be this countries bread and butter...Now it's the service industry.

                Diamler/Chrysler is about to lay off a shit load of people, so they aren't doing as well as originally thought either.

                It's getting really really bad out there, somethings got to be done yesterday.

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                • DLR'sCock
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 2937

                  #9
                  This is one of main reason why I voted fro Nader in 1996 and 2000.....



                  Unchecked unrepentant greed will be the downfall of this country....

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                  • jhale667
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 20929

                    #10
                    I'm loving all the bi-partisanship in here today...
                    Originally posted by conmee
                    If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                    That is all.

                    Icon.
                    Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                    I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                    Originally posted by Isaac R.
                    Then it's really true??:eek:

                    The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                    OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                    Originally posted by eddie78
                    I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                    • bobgnote
                      Banned
                      • May 2005
                      • 627

                      #11
                      Originally posted by thome
                      I didn't want to post when i read the opening piece and i still don't,
                      since i read Fords. It's all about the -Unions- and I have to many Union friends......
                      The unions are on their way OUT, having ignored the illegal, inflationary, post-deregulation power deals, so that the same inducted inflation mechanisms which are sucking funds out of cities and service districts are killing the airlines and automakers.

                      Guess you all know about the cool, new, cheap Chinese cars.

                      By the way, 9/11 is ALL ABOUT how the unions AND all the other corrupt media, illegally gathered in fraud just now under Chimpster, the whole 16 tons inc. of it refused to notice how NOBODY gets to keep either or both of the INFLATIONARY, POST-DEREGULATION POWER DEALS or the MILITARY AID TO ISRAEL.

                      The Israeli situ is like that of the North Tower, hit first, while we are like the South Tower, hit later but going down, FIRST, before Israel, since the idiots at media in the US will try to make a dollar out of fifteen cents all night, yet the Chinese are here already, and Al Queda has said real plain, GET OUT OF DODGE WITH YOUR POWER PLAYS AND POWER DEALS, both. You get to keep NEITHER.

                      So what about ENRON, when compared with the denial by all media that the post-deregulation power deals are both inflationary AND the specific incitement for Al Queda to embark on the 9/11 trend, leading to ALL of the following outcomes:

                      1. Iraq War
                      2. Afghan War
                      3. Failure to fund levees and the NO and Sacramento floods, more up
                      4. Fraud and denial by all unlawfully proximate media gathered under the USA, in re how the inflation from the power deals is to be reported, since the trade deficit hides inflation in the ordinary price indices.

                      The US is actually failing at funding its infrastructure, leading to catastrophe of infrastructure, by 2008, the 126th year since the 1882 Zionist invasion of Palestine, yep, 18 x 7, other hints that 2008 is hot are LZ-126 was the number of the City of LA Zeppelin, and 126 AD is when the Temple in J-town, West Bank went down to the wall, and Rome then called the whole place Syria-Palestina, until it was jacked.

                      Hey. I don't get to fund the illegal power plays or deals. So what IS so tough, about OTHER media admitting the power deals have cut us? See BRAC? That means HIDING the inflation is seditious, directly.

                      But Chimp and his friends are hiding the inflation AND trying to ensure bin Laden and al Zawahiri's forces attack AND damage us, so Chimp can swing off in the confusion of his pretense to 'secure' the USA by ripping us of of all our rights AND any actual guitar you or I play, THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE FATBOYS, inc. to steal and fence!

                      The NSA is doing EXACTLY what I have been telling you all that it and the FBI do, WHICH LED TO THE VAN HALEN YOU ALL LISTENED TO.

                      So, when somebody calls DAve a kike and I chime in, it is because I KNOW that K and Ike got together BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS A KLEPTO USING DIASPORA and corporate leverage, AS A GETAWAY VEHICLE.

                      The Chimpy scene is a reflection of the Reagan scene, when he was Governor of California in the 1960s and ordered the FBI into Berkeley. That was SO lucrative, here is CHIMPY, getting after YOU, the same way orange Ron went after my generation and got ME, good.

                      HEY. They really steal. They take IP or sell the feed to the chump under the wire to corporations. The PIGS will do anything, to anyone. They will use the negative information AND GIVE YOUR RECORD SOME DISTORTION THAT CAN LEAD TO YOUR DEATH! The US is Ugly Sucka.

                      So, when Al Queda decided on Math lessons for the US, they were READY, to die in attacks, and they are trying to make issues clearer. The attacks will happen anytime, but REALLY watch out for 2008.
                      Last edited by FORD; 01-30-2006, 06:15 PM.

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                      • Cathedral
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 6621

                        #12
                        Oh boy, and it just keeps getting better.
                        Kraft is letting 8,000 jobs go and closing 20 factories.

                        Yeah, we sure got us one hell of a President, don't we?

                        He sure knows how to protect the american people, eh?
                        We'll be safe, just homeless and hungry.

                        God, please forgive me for what i did by voting for this lunatic twice.
                        I apparently didn't know what i was doing or getting for my support.

                        Hindsight, gets ya every time.

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                        • blueturk
                          Veteran
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 1883

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          Companies that outsource American jobs, or place their "headquarters" in the Bahamas to avoid being labeled a US company, need to be made to pay severe tax penalties, for the tax revenue that is lost, and the unemployment benefits received by US workers...
                          That shit will never happen on Dubya's watch.

                          "It's your money. You paid for it." —George W. Bush, LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000
                          Last edited by blueturk; 01-30-2006, 10:26 PM.

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                          • Warham
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 14589

                            #14
                            Boy, it sure was a nice day today!

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                            • Big Train
                              Full Member Status

                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4013

                              #15
                              Re: Bush has GOT to Go!!!

                              Originally posted by Cathedral
                              You all know how i feel about NAFTA and CAFTA, the so-called Fair Trade deals, right?
                              Well, since the auto industry is in such trouble i decided to explore why exactly.
                              Cathedral, as a consumer, please keep this in mind. People buy foriegn cars because they have cache American cars have not had for decades. American cars have a reputation for shoddiness and a bad track record for longevity (trucks excluded). Chrysler is STARTING to put out some exciting products finally, but their long term durability is still in question. A Honda Accord is a Honda Accord. I know what I'm getting. I buy it for my daughter, she has a dependable car for 250K miles. A Chevy Malibu will be dead in my driveway at 82K. Its that simple. Not to mention the Malibu has the styling of a UPS truck.

                              Regardless of the labor situation, the core problem is that they have made weak products for so long, there is no faith anymore.

                              One could (and I'm sure Ford will) argue the same about my industry. In my industry though, there is no illusion of safety via a union. Hits or your out. And what a "hit" is changes every 10 weeks. The product life cycle of a automaker gives them years, if not decades to pull it together. Dearborn just apparently can't do that. So Japan is doing it for them.

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