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  • DLR'sCock
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jan 2004
    • 2937

    Army Forces 50,000 Soldiers into Extended Duty

    Army Forces 50,000 Soldiers into Extended Duty
    By Will Dunham
    Reuters

    Sunday 29 January 2006

    The U.S. Army has forced about 50,000 soldiers to continue serving after their voluntary stints ended under a policy called "stop-loss," but while some dispute its fairness, court challenges have fallen flat.

    The policy applies to soldiers in units due to deploy for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. The Army said stop-loss is vital to maintain units that are cohesive and ready to fight. But some experts said it shows how badly the Army is stretched and could further complicate efforts to attract new recruits.

    "As the war in Iraq drags on, the Army is accumulating a collection of problems that cumulatively could call into question the viability of an all-volunteer force," said defense analyst Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute think tank.

    "When a service has to repeatedly resort to compelling the retention of people who want to leave, you're edging away from the whole notion of volunteerism."

    When soldiers enlist, they sign a contract to serve for a certain number of years, and know precisely when their service obligation ends so they can return to civilian life. But stop-loss allows the Army, mindful of having fully manned units, to keep soldiers on the verge of leaving the military.

    Under the policy, soldiers who normally would leave when their commitments expire must remain in the Army, starting 90 days before their unit is scheduled to depart, through the end of their deployment and up to another 90 days after returning to their home base.

    With yearlong tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, some soldiers can be forced to stay in the Army an extra 18 months.

    Hardship for Some Soldiers

    Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, an Army spokesman, said that "there is no plan to discontinue stop-loss."

    "We understand that this is causing hardship for some individual soldiers, and we take individual situations into consideration," Hilferty said.

    Hilferty said there are about 12,500 soldiers in the regular Army, as well as the part-time National Guard and Reserve, currently serving involuntarily under the policy, and that about 50,000 have had their service extended since the program began in 2002. An initial limited use of stop-loss was expanded in subsequent years to affect many more.

    "While the policies relative to the stop-loss seem harsh, in terms of suspending scheduled separation dates (for leaving the Army), they are not absolute," Hilferty said. "And we take individual situations into consideration for compelling and compassionate reasons."

    Hilferty noted the Army has given "exceptions" to 210 enlisted soldiers "due to personal hardship reasons" since October 2004, allowing them to leave as scheduled.

    "The nation is at war and we are stop-lossing units deploying to a combat theater to ensure they mobilize, train, deploy, fight, redeploy and demobilize as a team," he said.

    No Luck in Court

    A few soldiers have gone to court to challenge stop-loss.

    One such case fizzled last week, when U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth in Washington dismissed a suit filed in 2004 by two Army National Guard soldiers. The suit claimed the Army fraudulently induced soldiers to enlist without specifying that their service might be involuntarily extended.

    Courts also have backed the policy's legality in Oregon and California cases.

    Jules Lobel, a University of Pittsburgh law professor who represented the National Guard soldiers, said a successful challenge to stop-loss was still possible.

    "I think the whole stop-loss program is a misrepresentation to people of how long they're going to actually serve. I think it's caused tremendous morale problems, tremendous psychological damage to people," Lobel said.

    "When you sign up for the military, you're saying, 'I'll give you, say, six years and then after six years I get my life back.' And they're saying, 'No, really, we can extend you indefinitely."'

    Congressional critics have assailed stop-loss, and 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry called it "a back-door draft." The United States abolished the draft in 1973, but the all-volunteer military never before has been tested by a protracted war.

    A report commissioned by the Pentagon called stop-loss a "short-term fix" enabling the Army to meet ongoing troop deployment requirements, but said such policies "risk breaking the force as recruitment and retention problems mount." It was written by Andrew Krepinevich, a retired Army officer.

    Thompson added, "The persistent use of stop-loss underscores the fact that the war-fighting burden is being carried by a handful of soldiers while the vast majority of citizens incur no sacrifice at all."

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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49205

    #2
    I guess it really sucks to be in the military these days....

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58789

      #3
      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      I guess it really sucks to be in the military these days....
      I feel for the guys who were already in when Chimpy was court appointed on 12/12/2000, and for those who went in after 9/11, believing they would actually be defending their country from a real threat.

      Maybe it's time those guys (or at least the ones still alive) should be allowed to come home, and be replaced with Busheep chickenhawks (including those in the Whore media)?

      If they want to keep a volunteer military, then let it truly be made up of those who volunteer to serve this Fraudministration's fucked up treasonous policies.
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • Guitar Shark
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Jan 2004
        • 7579

        #4
        Originally posted by FORD
        I feel for the guys who were already in when Chimpy was court appointed on 12/12/2000, and for those who went in after 9/11, believing they would actually be defending their country from a real threat.

        Maybe it's time those guys (or at least the ones still alive) should be allowed to come home, and be replaced with Busheep chickenhawks (including those in the Whore media)?

        If they want to keep a volunteer military, then let it truly be made up of those who volunteer to serve this Fraudministration's fucked up treasonous policies.
        OK, I'll bite. Who will determine who the "Busheep chickenhawks" are?
        ROTH ARMY MILITIA


        Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
        Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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        • BITEYOASS
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6530

          #5
          Originally posted by FORD
          I feel for the guys who were already in when Chimpy was court appointed on 12/12/2000, and for those who went in after 9/11, believing they would actually be defending their country from a real threat.

          Maybe it's time those guys (or at least the ones still alive) should be allowed to come home, and be replaced with Busheep chickenhawks (including those in the Whore media)?

          If they want to keep a volunteer military, then let it truly be made up of those who volunteer to serve this Fraudministration's fucked up treasonous policies.
          Well I'm stuck in my one year extension until July 2007. It was suppose to end in July of this year, but those cunts in Admin fucked it up and IT'S BEEN TAKING SEVERAL MONTHS AND GUESS WHAT? IT STILL HASN'T BEEN FIXED!!!! Talk about a great way to get fucked after coming from Iraq! But there are some bright sides to it, I was deployed to SoCal for about 8 months in back in 2003 and back in 2004 I had a blast over in Hawaii for 3 weeks and having a learge breasted fiance wanting to jump your bones every chance you get is the greatest perk of all! I was also paid a hell of a lot more in the reserves, than I ever was in an active duty unit. But the downside is that I keep getting interrupted in the middle of a couple college semesters, that and having to go back to Yuma TWICE!!!
          Last edited by BITEYOASS; 01-31-2006, 05:20 PM.

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          • BITEYOASS
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6530

            #6
            To add a note to that, I've been in since 1998

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58789

              #7
              Originally posted by Guitar Shark
              OK, I'll bite. Who will determine who the "Busheep chickenhawks" are?
              4moronyears, AssVibe, and WarPig would be a few examples
              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • Warham
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Mar 2004
                • 14589

                #8
                Sharkie asked who's going to determine who the Busheep are, not who are the Busheep.

                How do you know guys serving in the army aren't for Bush, instead of being liberal kool-aid drinking fans of Teddy Kennedy?

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58789

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Warham
                  Sharkie asked who's going to determine who the Busheep are, not who are the Busheep.

                  How do you know guys serving in the army aren't for Bush, instead of being liberal kool-aid drinking fans of Teddy Kennedy?
                  Some of them may well be. And they can stay if they want to. Though I imagine even those poor deluded souls are tired of the stop loss bullshit and doing tours that are three times longer than they signed up for.

                  And Ted Kennedy has nothing to do with this.
                  Eat Us And Smile

                  Cenk For America 2024!!

                  Justice Democrats


                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • 4moreyears
                    Commando
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 1245

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    I feel for the guys who were already in when Chimpy was court appointed on 12/12/2000, and for those who went in after 9/11, believing they would actually be defending their country from a real threat.

                    Maybe it's time those guys (or at least the ones still alive) should be allowed to come home, and be replaced with Busheep chickenhawks (including those in the Whore media)?

                    If they want to keep a volunteer military, then let it truly be made up of those who volunteer to serve this Fraudministration's fucked up treasonous policies.
                    Bitch, Bitch, Bitch!!! Go watch Brokeback Mountain.

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32576

                      #11
                      Originally posted by 4moreyears
                      Bitch, Bitch, Bitch!!! Go watch Brokeback Mountain.
                      How was it?
                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • LoungeMachine
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 32576

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Warham
                        Sharkie asked who's going to determine who the Busheep are, not who are the Busheep.
                        Depends on what your definition of the word are, are.


                        One very telling stat????

                        9 of 10 Iraq War Vets are running in 06 as DEMOCRATS.



                        Hmmmmm
                        Originally posted by Kristy
                        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                        Originally posted by cadaverdog
                        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                        • LoungeMachine
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 32576

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Warham
                          .

                          How do you know guys serving in the army aren't for Bush, instead of being liberal kool-aid drinking fans of Teddy Kennedy?

                          Jesus, I can see your fascination with Clinton, but this obsession you have w/ TK is mind boggling.
                          Originally posted by Kristy
                          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                          Originally posted by cadaverdog
                          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58789

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 4moreyears
                            Bitch, Bitch, Bitch!!! Go watch Brokeback Mountain.
                            Like I said, chickenshit chickenhawk..... when are you going over to put your ass on the line for the BCE you blindly worship?
                            Eat Us And Smile

                            Cenk For America 2024!!

                            Justice Democrats


                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • Warham
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 14589

                              #15
                              Obsession?

                              Don't you have an obsession with Bush?

                              If Kennedy wouldn't open his trap every five minutes to utter something absolutely preposterous, I wouldn't bring him up. He's an easy target.

                              He about blew a gasket today claiming that Alito was going to reverse every civil rights case ruled on by the Supreme Court over the last hundred years, perhaps even overturning a woman's right to vote.

                              He's insane. No wonder you guys try to keep him under wraps. It's not working too well.

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