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Nickdfresh
02-17-2006, 11:16 AM
Link (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-spying17feb17,0,5180017.story?track=tottext)
Spying Inquiry Blocked by GOP
The Senate intelligence chair buys time, saying the White House is open to legislation on Bush's surveillance program. Many are doubtful.
By Greg Miller and Maura Reynolds
Times Staff Writers

February 17, 2006

WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans blocked a proposed investigation of President Bush's domestic spying operation Thursday as the chairman of the Intelligence Committee said he had reached an agreement with the White House to pursue legislation establishing clearer rules for the controversial program.

But Senate aides described the discussions with the White House as very preliminary. And angry Democrats expressed skepticism over the negotiations, with some describing them as a ploy to protect the Bush administration and the highly classified surveillance operation from congressional scrutiny.

The political maneuvering underscored the stakes surrounding a secret intelligence-gathering program that the White House describes as crucial to preventing future terrorist attacks in the United States, but which critics see as unconstitutional and an abuse of executive power.

The tactics by Republicans on the Intelligence Committee leave the surveillance operations in place while giving the White House time to influence the debate on Capitol Hill. Separately, the House Intelligence Committee is considering its own inquiry. Among members of the panel raising questions about the program is Rep. Heather A. Wilson (R-N.M.).

Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), after a closed-door meeting with Senate committee members, said the panel had decided to adjourn without considering a Democratic proposal to begin an investigation of the program, which is run by the National Security Agency, an intelligence agency that operates eavesdropping posts around the globe.

Roberts, the panel chairman, said the vote was put off because the White House had "committed to legislation and has agreed to brief more Intelligence Committee members on the nature of the surveillance program."

White House officials confirmed a new willingness to consider legislative fixes, after weeks of insisting that no congressional action was necessary.

"We maintain that the president does not need additional congressional authority," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. But she said the administration was now willing to discuss a GOP proposal that contained "some good legislative concepts that would not undermine the president's ability to protect Americans."

Perino was referring to a proposal by Sen. Mike DeWine (R-Ohio) that would specifically authorize the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on international calls involving U.S. residents and suspected terrorists overseas without first obtaining a court warrant.

The White House has said Bush has the authority to approve such operations to protect the nation. But critics say the program violates a 1978 statute — the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA — that outlawed domestic eavesdropping without approval from a special intelligence court.

The administration's new willingness to consider legislation appeared to be enough to appease several Republican lawmakers who had expressed misgivings about the domestic intelligence collection and were in a position to cast deciding votes on whether to launch a Senate inquiry.

A senior Republican aide said that before the meeting, Sens. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) and Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) told Roberts that they were prepared to vote for an investigation if the committee did not agree to work toward legislation.

The "agreement in principle" to discuss the DeWine proposal was enough to persuade the senators to postpone the vote on an inquiry. But the issue was far from resolved.

"This is just a starting point," the aide said.

Snowe indicated Thursday that the White House had bought a limited amount of time. In a statement, she called for "congressional and judicial review over a program that currently has none," and said the administration had until March 7 — when a follow-up Intelligence Committee meeting is scheduled — to "demonstrate its commitment to avoiding a constitutional deadlock."

The spying program was authorized by Bush in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks. Before the operation was exposed late last year, it had been one of the most closely guarded secrets in the intelligence community, with the administration providing briefings to only a handful of senior lawmakers.

Senate Democrats denounced Republicans for delaying the vote on an investigation. Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV, the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, said the party-line vote to adjourn the meeting before taking up the proposal was "another stalling tactic."

"Today, the Senate Intelligence Committee once again abdicated its responsibility to oversee the intelligence activities of the United States," Rockefeller said.

Roberts defended the decision to block the vote, saying he believed an investigation would hurt an intelligence operation that he described as "vital for the protection of the American people." He offered few specifics about his discussions with the White House on possible legislation. Roberts' spokeswoman, Sarah Ross Little, described those talks as in their early stages.

"There's nothing specific," Little said. "The White House has agreed and committed to work with Congress on an expanded role in oversight and some sort of legislative solution. But there is nothing particular or specific beyond that."

Other Republican aides said no legislative language had been shared with the White House. But White House and congressional officials said the discussions were focusing on DeWine's proposal, which also would create a new subcommittee on the Senate Intelligence Committee solely to monitor the National Security Agency program.

Critics have called the DeWine approach inadequate.

"To simply exclude communications from the coverage of FISA and allow secret wiretapping without a warrant … would be a clear violation of the 4th Amendment," Kate Martin, director of national security studies at George Washington University, said in an e-mail message.

Meanwhile on Thursday, the Justice Department was ordered by a federal judge to respond within 20 days to requests by a civil liberties group for documents about the National Security Agency program.

The Electronic Privacy Information Center had sued the department under the Freedom of Information Act seeking the release of the documents.

In a setback for Bush, U.S. District Judge Henry Kennedy ordered the department to finish processing the group's requests and produce or identify all records within 20 days. A Justice Department spokesman said the agency was reviewing the ruling.

Lying traitors! But They'll investigate blowjobs? And not the threat to civil liberties?!?

Nickdfresh
02-17-2006, 12:52 PM
So glad that WARHAM approves of congressional ass-licking cover ups...

Warham
02-17-2006, 12:54 PM
Need a tissue, Nick?

Warham
02-17-2006, 12:58 PM
What are you guys batting now as far as finding some 'scandal' to get Bush impeached?

0-4? 0-5?

Nickdfresh
02-17-2006, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Need a tissue, Nick?

Yeah, I think you used them all up crying Cl____.

Nickdfresh
02-17-2006, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Warham
What are you guys batting now as far as finding some 'scandal' to get Bush impeached?

0-4? 0-5?

Uhm, it's not really over yet...

Anyways, the arrogance shows in the polls...

Maybe when HILLARY wins, she end or modify this program to make it legal...:)

Warham
02-17-2006, 01:04 PM
Hillary isn't going to win, and all the pre-polling backs that up.

She'd even lose going up against George W. Bush if he could run for a 3rd term.

Warham
02-17-2006, 01:06 PM
It's over.

I'm sure the DU and KOS forums are in mourning today.

Nickdfresh
02-17-2006, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Hillary isn't going to win, and all the pre-polling backs that up.

She'd even lose going up against George W. Bush if he could run for a 3rd term.

But he's not, who is?

McCAIN could probably beat her until; his IRAQ War views are known, but he'll never get the nod since it's unstated that he basically wants a draft. And the only one BUSH is beating is himself, his legacy, and the future prospects...

Warham
02-17-2006, 01:13 PM
She's been shown in polling as getting slammed by Guiliani more than McCain, but that's here nor there.

If he wins the nom, McCain's going to suck away moderate votes from Democrats. Hillary will have to go so far to the center to win, she'll lose the support from nuts like Soros.

Nickdfresh
02-17-2006, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Warham
She's been shown in polling as getting slammed by Guiliani more than McCain, but that's here nor there.

So a guy that supports abortion rights, (a NY "Rockefeller Republican :cool: ) and was living with two gay men in NYC, after his feminist wife (Ms. "Vagina Monologues") threw him out of the Mayor's mansion will get the nod?

BTW, I'm not saying Giuliani is gay, he's not, I hear he's a bit of a studly womanizer, like Clinton... But his mind is clearly too open to be made the candidate. And the fact that he's only ever been a mayor is also too much to overcome...


If he wins the nom, McCain's going to suck away moderate votes from Democrats. Hillary will have to go so far to the center to win, she'll lose the support from nuts like Soros.

I have no doubt that McCAIN could win. But check his statements on IRAQ...

He wants TO SEND MORE TROOPS, of which, he is fully aware to do not presently exist...

Warham
02-17-2006, 01:41 PM
He's not going to send more troops. There won't be a draft. Political suicide.

That's like George H.W. Bush saying he won't raise taxes.

'Not gonna do it.'

I don't see Hillary winning for three reasons:

Her husband.

She won't win any Southern or Midwest states.

She's a woman.

Nickdfresh
02-17-2006, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Warham
He's not going to send more troops. There won't be a draft. Political suicide.

But he'll try... And he wont be nominated because being a moderate Republican is "political suicide" as for Presidential aspirations...


That's like George H.W. Bush saying he won't raise taxes.

'Not gonna do it.'

I don't see Hillary winning for three reasons:

Her husband.

She won't win any Southern or Midwest states.

She's a woman.

Her husband is the biggest plus she has!:D You are delusional!:D

And she may appeal to women voters...

Warham
02-17-2006, 01:57 PM
She has none of his charisma, and all of his baggage from Whitewater to Monicagate.

I think she puts off married women big time, especially housewives. They can pull up all kinds of quotes from her YEARS back, where she says she didn't want to be a woman who 'baked cookies'.

DrMaddVibe
02-17-2006, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And she may appeal to women voters...

So, she can count on your vote nicker00?

Nickdfresh
02-17-2006, 04:34 PM
She probably won't even get the nod..

BTW, who are you voting for Ms.ASSVIBE?

Warham
02-17-2006, 04:47 PM
God help you guys if Kerry or Gore gets the nod.

Kiss off four more years for sure.

DrMaddVibe
02-17-2006, 04:50 PM
Who am I voting for?

It won't be McCain, fuckstain!

Nickdfresh
02-18-2006, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Who am I voting for?

It won't be McCain, fuckstain!

No. But it will be the loser...

DrMaddVibe
02-18-2006, 11:01 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Nickdfresh
02-18-2006, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

You're voting for HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!?

I thought he can't run again....

http://www.askmen.com/men/business_politics/pictures/george_w_bush_150e.JPG

DrMaddVibe
02-18-2006, 03:30 PM
I'm laughing AT you!

You really think your democRATic party has a shot with Billary and that the right and independents will pull towards her.

You've fucking lost already and YOU don't know it!

4moreyears
02-18-2006, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Warham
She's been shown in polling as getting slammed by Guiliani more than McCain, but that's here nor there.

If he wins the nom, McCain's going to suck away moderate votes from Democrats. Hillary will have to go so far to the center to win, she'll lose the support from nuts like Soros.

And nuts like Ford.

4moreyears
02-18-2006, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
No. But it will be the loser...

I did not know you were running.

Nickdfresh
02-18-2006, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
I'm laughing AT you!

You really think your democRATic party has a shot with Billary and that the right and independents will pull towards her.

You've fucking lost already and YOU don't know it!

Again, who are the Republicans going to run? Some religious-zealot douche? I never said HILLARY would get the nom. As a matter a fact, I think she won't.

Yeah, mmm'kay ASSVIBE, it's all over, huh?

When are you going to answer the question my little pundit?

Nickdfresh
02-18-2006, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by 4moreyears
I did not know that a man's balls could taste so good!

4moreyears
02-19-2006, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh


HAHAHAHA

Nick you are so creative.

DrMaddVibe
02-19-2006, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Again, who are the Republicans going to run? Some religious-zealot douche? I never said HILLARY would get the nom. As a matter a fact, I think she won't.

Yeah, mmm'kay ASSVIBE, it's all over, huh?

When are you going to answer the question my little pundit?


After the primary someone will get the party's nod. 99.999% says my wallet will vote for them.


What are we supposed to pull names out of thin air and hope they run like your side?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

"Little Dreamer"!

Nickdfresh
02-20-2006, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
After the primary someone will get the party's nod. 99.999% says my wallet will vote for them.


What are we supposed to pull names out of thin air and hope they run like your side?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

"Little Dreamer"!

Well I hope your wallet is registered...

BTW, how are those prices (sucker)?

DrMaddVibe
02-21-2006, 06:46 AM
If someone can lower my taxes and ensure that what I've built will not be taxed a 3rd or 4th time...they'll get my vote EVERYTIME!

Nickdfresh
02-21-2006, 07:49 AM
Well, no one likes taxes...

But then again, everyone likes public services...

Many of the BUSH tax cuts were actually a tax-burden shift to the states...

DrMaddVibe
02-22-2006, 06:47 AM
No one likes taxes, but it takes a rare individual to stand up at campaign stops and promise that he'll cut them and yet another to actually do what they said they were going to promise.

When the democRATs finally figure that one out they might get control back.