MEXICAN Border Drug War

[Nickdfresh]

Agents fail to quell drug-related crime

2/18/2006

NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico (AP) - The weary residents of this border city at the center of an escalating drug war hoped hundreds of federal agents would end the violence that last year killed 181 people.

But drug-related crime has not let up since the "federales" arrived, and 31 people have been killed so far this year, a significant increase from the same time last year.

Eight months after President Vicente Fox sent soldiers and federal agents to take back the city from drug traffickers, the killings in Nuevo Laredo continue and brazen attacks remain commonplace. Plans to gradually withdraw federal agents have been put on hold, and police are having trouble recruiting new officers.

In the latest attacks, heavily armed men forced their way into a hospital Tuesday and killed a teenager receiving treatment after surviving an earlier attempt on his life.

A week before, two men wearing ski masks tossed grenades and opened fire inside the office of El Manana newspaper, seriously wounding a reporter.

Link (http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060218/5073717.asp)

[Big Train]

Yet people think purely a fence is going to stop this...this is going to require a comprehensive approach which will involve Mexico getting real with their own problems for starters.

[FORD]

The best thing they could do on this side of the border is LEGALIZE THE FUCKING DRUGS.

There's no profit in smuggling something that can be purchased domestically.

Obviously the border security and Mexican immigration are two seperate issues in and of themselves, but the drugs could be taken out of the equation very simply, and very logically.

[bueno bob]

Well, I'll tell you this...I just got back from Mexico, first time I've ever been there, and it's a fucking mess...especially around the borders...the border patrol ALWAYS seemed to be busy...

You know, it's really a bit of a culture shock to see it first hand; I have to say, I now understand why the border patrol is as busy as it is...Christ, you could litterally come up from Mexico, jump the fence at night, get into a city in Arizona or California or wherever, live in a shithole apartment, pump gas or pick oranges for a living, BARELY eek out an existance and STILL be living a gradiose lifestyle compared to the living conditions throughout most of Mexico. Really. I can almost understand and sympathize with the border-jumpers.

Considering the kind of cash drug running can pull in...fuck, I was almost half-tempted to do it myself...considering the virtual poverty they live in as a general course of rule, I'm amazed EVERYBODY down south isn't participating...

But, with the case of Federales...shit, don't make me laugh...law enforcement down south is a profit driven venture anyway...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
Yet people think purely a fence is going to stop this...this is going to require a comprehensive approach which will involve Mexico getting real with their own problems for starters.

Oh, I agree. I think a good start would be to have a "shoot-to-kill" policy for any Mexican "drug dealer" who happens to be wearing a Mexican Army uniform, carrying Mexican Army rifles, and driving Mexican Army Humvees, while committing a crime and wilfully violating our sovereignty......

[Big Train]

The real sad thing is, it doesn't have to be like this. I was there three weeks ago in Mexicali visiting my wifes family. Mexico has IMMENSE potential. The tourism obviously, the natural resources it has, the skilled workers. It is amazing to me. Yet the number one commodity is fucking cement. To build a better house, or as most are forced to live in, could better be described as a compound. Having to wall yourself in and be inside by dark in most barrios.

The government has ripped them off for so long people are just resigned to doing what they have to do. As Bueno sympathizes, so do I. If the American people had any real clue about what goes on. The people themselves are not animals or drug dealers. In fact, I've experienced more unselfish utter, beautiful kindness there than anywhere I have ever been. One of her uncles rode into town and spent his own money (which ain't much) to buy us CORN, which he roasted for us. Fuck man, when I went to his wifes restaurant later that night, I left a 100 dollar tip. What was I gonna do waste it on another round in the casino on the way back?

It's time for GW to get real with Vincente and work some shit out. All the "Job Stealers" people need to do some research and work it out as well.

[Warham]

Ain't gonna happen. Vincente WANTS this to happen.

Put that 10' fence up first, then take some of the national guard out of Iraq and send them down to the border.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
The real sad thing is, it doesn't have to be like this. I was there three weeks ago in Mexicali visiting my wifes family. Mexico has IMMENSE potential. The tourism obviously, the natural resources it has, the skilled workers. It is amazing to me. Yet the number one commodity is fucking cement. To build a better house, or as most are forced to live in, could better be described as a compound. Having to wall yourself in and be inside by dark in most barrios.

The government has ripped them off for so long people are just resigned to doing what they have to do. As Bueno sympathizes, so do I. If the American people had any real clue about what goes on. The people themselves are not animals or drug dealers. In fact, I've experienced more unselfish utter, beautiful kindness there than anywhere I have ever been. One of her uncles rode into town and spent his own money (which ain't much) to buy us CORN, which he roasted for us. Fuck man, when I went to his wifes restaurant later that night, I left a 100 dollar tip. What was I gonna do waste it on another round in the casino on the way back?

It's time for GW to get real with Vincente and work some shit out. All the "Job Stealers" people need to do some research and work it out as well.

I'm certainly not saying that Mexicans are inherent drug dealers. By all accounts, they're extremely hardworking, which is why they come here to work. But that I agree that the Mexican Gov't is inherently corrupt and has squandered much of their potential. It's a society with polarized wealth, and very little prospect of creating a stable middle class. That's why the Chiapas rebelled, because no would listen until they started killing soldiers and police, and actually threatened a long term civil war.

There have been several accounts of what are Clearly Mexican Army troops coming over the border to secure "stuck" drug vehicles from US police, including a recent standoff between local police, and assault rifle wielding men in Mexican Army uniforms and a Humvee. And then the denials ring out from both the US and Mexicans, saying that they were "impersonating" the Army, which is clearly bullshit.

[ODShowtime]

Too much money in the drugs, pure and simple. It will only continue to escalate until they amass enough power to challenge the gov't. Let's hope it doesn't turn out like Colombia.

[FORD]

Shit, the drug dealers have been controlling the government in THIS country since 1952 (with the exception of the Carter administration and maybe LBJ)

Drug smuggling across the Texas border increased by 400% when Chimpy was Governor and the percentage was similar in Florida under Jeb's term. It's no accident, and no coincidence. And Vinnie Fox knows damn well what's going on.

[Warham]

:rolleyes:

[Nitro Express]

Mexico is just another Spanish colony where they threw the Catholic cloak over the people, kept them dummed down, and a few exploited the countries vast resources.

Mexico has tons of potential but the goal has never been to enrich the average citizen. No, it's about a few getting filthy rich by selling the rest of the country our.

Before we judge Mexico too harshly we should wake up to the fact that the United States is becoming just like Mexico with the richer getting richer and the middle class dissapearing.

The only difference between the average Mexican and the average US citizens is the Mexicans have been screwed longer.

[bobgnote]

Poor Eunuch Numero Uno! Ayaiyai.

Mike has to res around lotsa stuff, now comes Fox and HIS version of Catholic goonies and GW and all the monkeys up north, with THEIR St. Gits and St. Geeks, all whiter than white.

Chertoff is blessed and busted with Eunuch status job Chief of Dickbags without an apparent clue as to what it's actual use is.

Chertoff ignores ALL KINDS of border tactical dilemmas, including how the Dubai port monkey doesn't mean a thing, tactically, so why bitch.

Terror will fly in over the thousands of miles of border, and if we wait long enough, we will suffer exotic, ceramic, submersible machines which ferry cruise missiles up toward shore, surface, then discharge.

The US has a weird ADD-denial combo in its media, all persons recognized weirdly proferring GIGO infos, reports on dink fires set up, by a churn of big old burns. The process of ignoring all inflation from the 2000-1 power deals sets up the denial by the 911 Commission and all illegally gathered media since they disbanded illegally, that the Al Pacino but bookish bin Laden would fund AND THEN OK A GO-AHEAD FOR 9/11, only AFTER the illegal power deals were enacted.

That means, the 9/11 style for attacks was in place, BUT IT WAS ACCELERATED, ONLY AFTER THE FUNDING IMPLOSION FROM THE ILLEGAL POWER DEALS OF 2000-1 SHOWED THE US WAS CORRUPT ENOUGH TO DISABLE ITSELF, WHILE FUNDING INVASIVE ISRAELIS.

The denial related to the drug war merely intensifies the actual goal of US anti-administration, TO DISABLE THE REPUBLIC BY CORRUPT DEGREES, AGREED ON BY UNLAWFUL CONSPIRACY, FOR REVIEW. The evident Catholic TRASH has spawned and is unlawfully chartered and illegally and regularly enabled and addicted to sucking blood from everyone's bloody butts, by egregious, interdependent public funding for Catholic, anti-bureaucratic agendas and unlawfully subsidizing Vatican proximities and further overt acts by all in its pressure cooker of organized crime.

Catholics are ADDICTED to sucking our blood, by public funding, ad infiitum, and they don't like bin Laden acting up over not having recourse in OUR COURTS or in a righteous international rights court, against our UGLY CIA.

Catholics are interested in undermining the tax base, ASAP, so they deny that we must now resort to public funding by LEGALIZING DRUGS, simply to fund their previous scam, of deregulating the power oligopoly at fraud, so as to enable the inflationary deals to bleed us AND articulate Al Queda, while then levees were shown to be unfunded.

I got some uses for a dead cat, just now, you cartoonists up the thread aways.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
Yet people think purely a fence is going to stop this...this is going to require a comprehensive approach which will involve Mexico getting real with their own problems for starters.

Yeah, nevermind the demand......it's a supply side problem :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


They could enact a SHOOT ALL SUSPECTED DRUG MULES ON SIGHT law down there and it wouldn't lower the rate one iota, so long as the DEMAND is here.

You know better :cool:

[Big Train]

You know better than to remind me that I know better.

The word "comprehensive" must mean nothing to you. Scroll up, read it again, I'll wait.

[Hardrock69]

You know better than to tell someone to do that..

;)

[Hardrock69]

Chimpy is a terrorist.

Therefore he does not want to allow ANY drugs to be legalized.

If that were to happen, it would rob the Chimpy & Cheney show of more excuses to arrest people.

Not only that, it would cut off their flow of untraceable cash.

Chimpy WANTS the drug cartels to make billions. That way he always has an excuse in his back pocket to go invade some country.

[Nickdfresh]

Bump! Seems topical.

[BigBadBrian]

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[Nickdfresh]

Nice commentary Brian...

[BigBadBrian]

Thanks. :)

I knew you'd like it.

Here's another:

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[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by Warham
Ain't gonna happen. Vincente WANTS this to happen.

Put that 10' fence up first, then take some of the national guard out of Iraq and send them down to the border.


I totally agree.

Anyone tries to climb over the fence?

Shoot them on sight!