Is this the begining of the end?

[pablo]

Saw this at Drudgereport.com

Saying DLR had a 1.7 share in January compared to Howard's 7.9 in December. Devolping. Hope it's not the end as i lke the show.

[Roy Munson]

I noticed that, too. I was going to post a thread about it but you beat me to it.

I'm not sure exactly how to read this. Obviously, a vast majority of Howard's fans are hardcore and very loyal. I'm assuming that many of them...close to all...went to Sirius to get his show. That doesn't leave much left for Dave.

The big question is...how did Dave fare against other morning jocks in NY during the same time slot.

[Roy Munson]

Also, why is it so fucking hard to find radio show ratings? I did numerous searches only to come up with nil.

[jslav06]

Dave has been on for a total of 2 months.

2 months.

Stern is broadcast through Sirius satellite radio, ALL OVER, and Dave is broadcast in select cities on the East Coast and to people who want to sit at their computer and listen to it as they post on the Army Forums (me). I still think it just needs some time. And maybe it'll spread who knows?

[Roy Munson]

Originally posted by jslav06
Dave has been on for a total of 2 months.

2 months.

Stern is broadcast through Sirius satellite radio, ALL OVER, and Dave is broadcast in select cities on the East Coast and to people who want to sit at their computer and listen to it as they post on the Army Forums (me). I still think it just needs some time. And maybe it'll spread who knows?


I don't think these ratings are reflecting Roth vs. Stern in a current sense. They are reflecting free-radio ratings only. The numbers that are being talked about are...

Roth - January 2006 - 1.7 share
Stern - December 2005 - 7.9 share

They aren't comparing Roth on free radio to Stern on Sirius.

[Roy Munson]

Basically, what these numbers show is just how loyal Howard's fans really are. That is a HUGE drop in listenership from December to January.

Did all of those people buy Sirius radios? Probably not but I'm guessing the vast majority did.

The thing to keep in mind here is that Dave is going to have to EARN his listeners and build his show up. He has the faithful Roth fans, plus the people too cheap to buy a Sirius radio and also the ones that are just curious. He's going to have to keep working at it.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Roy Munson
He has the faithful Roth fans,

How many would that be ??

[DR CHIP]

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[Bob_R]

I'd like for someone to clear something up for me.

My listening area is the home to Howard Stern and he had an enormous amount of people that listened to him. I also realize that he was on tape delay in places like California for instance who were listening to him when his show was actually over if not close to being over on that particular broadcast day.

So, my question is:

I'm quite sure there were more people listening to Stern here than the amount of listeners Sirius has right now. So, in reality he has "less" listeners now. He primarily went to Sirius for the "freedom" of broadcasting not to expand his viewership. Because unless I'm missing something here his viewship has actually declined.

Yes or No?

[ELVIS]

Probably so...

What's your point ??

Are you another one of our posters who has little to no reading comprehension ??

[Bob_R]

Oh and secondly DLR's show is pretty fucking good if you ask me. Stop fucking listening to it if you don't like it.

Roth rules baby!!!!!!!!!!!

If Mr. Sticks and Mr. Fingers would sober and grow up maybe there can be a reunion that "real" Van Halen fans want.

Everything that Roth says about a possible reunion makes perfect sense.

Ed and Al really must be quite dysfunctional.

Lastly, who gives a fuck about Howard Stern's numbers? He's not a heart surgeon or something he has no special talent. He's a dirtbag IMO.

[Bob_R]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Probably so...

What's your point ??

Are you another one of our posters who has little to no reading comprehension ??

You must be the one with little or no reading comprehension if you can't understand my question.

[ELVIS]

I asked what your point was...

I answered your question...

And BTW, how can one view a radio show ??

[Mr. Vengeance]

OUCH! 1.7 share is horrid. You'll have to wait and see when official ratings come out, and see what those up against him are pulling. Maybe the audience scattered to many different morning shows, but that share is going to make Infinity think.

Also need to see what he does in different demographics. Maybe he has a good rating in the most important demos.

Again I warn people that it takes a while for any new morning show to get it's legs. You have to "wash" the audience first and then build up your own.

[Bob_R]

OK people listen to radio shows not view them. You are correct on that point. Sorry 'bout that.

[Bob_R]

Originally posted by ELVIS
I asked what your point was...

I answered your question...

And BTW, how can one view a radio show ??

OK people listen to radio shows not view them. You are correct on that point. Sorry 'bout that.

[ELVIS]

Haha...:D

Anyway, I like Dave's show, but the last couple of weeks with the porn interviews was, IMO, headed in the wrong direction...

Early on, Dave said he was no smut peddler when asked how his show would compare to Howard's...

To me, that's peddling smut, and I think it's a bad move and boring as hell...

No way do I think that was Dave's idea...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
OK people listen to radio shows not view them. You are correct on that point. Sorry 'bout that.

My reading comprehension is beyond good enough for me to get your point without you adding the quotation...

[Bob_R]

Originally posted by ELVIS
My reading comprehension is beyond good enough for me to get your point without you adding the quotation...

Just a habit because I realized that......

Oops I did it again! :) :p ;)

[ELVIS]

I hear ya...

I was just messin with ya 'cause I was bored...


:elvis:

[Mr. Vengeance]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Haha...:D

Anyway, I like Dave's show, but the last couple of weeks with the porn interviews was, IMO, headed in the wrong direction...

Early on, Dave said he was no smut peddler when asked how his show would compare to Howard's...

To me, that's peddling smut, and I think it's a bad move and boring as hell...

No way do I think that was Dave's idea...

I can't see Infinity suggesting it, since they were so concerned with being fined when Howard was on the last couple of years. Maybe someone in DLR's circle suggested it?

[ELVIS]

Stern was never fined due to his subject matter...

[Brett]

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC

Lastly, who gives a fuck about Howard Stern's numbers? He's not a heart surgeon or something he has no special talent. He's a dirtbag IMO.

That's a ridiculous statement, whether you're Stern fan or not.

Come on Fanatic!

[Mr. Vengeance]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Stern was never fined due to his subject matter...

Doesn't matter. Infinity were scared to death that the FCC would come down on them, post-Nipplegate era. They chopped up Howard's show to no end.

[ELVIS]

Of course it matters!

[Brett]

Oh yeah they did.

[spmusicplyr]

at the time howard announced his move sirius had 550,000 subscribers and now it has 3.3 million...so u can see the difference howard made. one thing i must say though is that im sure howard had a 1.7 share at one point too...im sure he didnt do that well his first 2 months in radio!

howards empire and ratings took years and years to build...and jack silverman (program director for klsx in los angeles) said that the new slew of free fm hosts had 18 months to turn their shit around.so im sure david will take a while too...

but the difference is that a lot of people dont get daves humor! i find him funny but im sure a big chunk of people just dont fuckin get what he's saying...or whats so funny, ya know?

so even if they can him after 18 months they'll still probably buyout his contract...16 mil in 18 aint bad fuckin chump change! haha.

[spmusicplyr]

and how relevant is talk about van halen to todays culture? on this board..its really relevant, obviously...but to the people he's broadcasting to....i dont really think anyone gives a shit about what he's got to say about any reunion....unless you go to a music news site...nobody's really gonna care. its horrible because for so long david lee fuckin roth was the shit! i hope he does well but i just dont think its gonna happen

[spmusicplyr]

so go ahead, crucify me here. i'll get the nails for ya and save you some trouble

[chuckg1982]

Roth defeated Adam Carolla and Rover.

Carolla got a 0.7 share. Rover did even worse.

http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_02_27/topstory.asp

[twonabomber]

Originally posted by Roy Munson
Also, why is it so fucking hard to find radio show ratings? I did numerous searches only to come up with nil.

the only time i find a breakdown of air shift ratings is when the quarterly ratings come out. only thing i found today are the 6 am to midnight overall numbers.

i think part of the problem is that the ratings are considered copyrighted material and Arbitron protects their copyright tooth and nail.

[twonabomber]

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
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So, my question is:

I'm quite sure there were more people listening to Stern here than the amount of listeners Sirius has right now. So, in reality he has "less" listeners now. He primarily went to Sirius for the "freedom" of broadcasting not to expand his viewership. Because unless I'm missing something here his viewship has actually declined.

Yes or No?

yes. Stern has admitted that.

[rocket]

Sirius had already projected to have 3 Mill users by Jan 1 2006 before the Stern deal. Looks like he really only drew 300K listeners.

[vistadelrey]

pathetic the whole lot of you. talking about roth and radio. roth is desperate. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by ELVIS
How many would that be ??

Should the number include you, El ?

[bantonelli]

Originally posted by vistadelrey
pathetic the whole lot of you. talking about roth and radio. roth is desperate. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Can you get alittle more specific on your theory of "desperate" and the "$" issue?

Roth's got enough dough. When he takes a job being the announcer at Burger King that your quarter pounder is ready, then he needs $$$.

[vistadelrey]

he's stiring up vh reunion for $ but in his attempt to do so his ego is screwing the deal.

I think he saw the 04 reunion and wants to cash in on a reunion not for the music but for the hype.

this side of his personality is doing battle with his ego side. that's why he expresses himself as such. he can't do anything in a humble manner and as a result he lost halen years ago. forever.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by vistadelrey
pathetic the whole lot of you.

No, pathetic is ridiculing people talking discussing David Lee Roth on a David Lee Roth message board...

I will say that discussing Sammy Hagar on this board is pathetic...

I'm sorry I even mentioned him, but some of the fags around here can't get enough of his lame ass...


:elvis:

[vistadelrey]

aside from that we have a bombastic roth fan base spewing hot air on him as "one of the greatest front men ever."

zen crap and other bombastic bulshit one would think everybodies talking about robert plant or jim morrisson.

roth is now a radio voice talking about porno and race issues with the call in public. what the fuck.

in short i think he is desperate for the attention and is desperate to get the bros (as disfunctional as they may be) back.

roth left halen long ago. that's what sucks.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by pablo
Saw this at Drudgereport.com

Saying DLR had a 1.7 share in January compared to Howard's 7.9 in December. Devolping. Hope it's not the end as i lke the show.

I would say don't wory, but this is CBS/Infinity we're talking about. They do some weird stuff in the NY market.

Dave should be fine. Remember that that 7.9 has a HUGE part due to Howard leaving the radio. Plus remember that the ratings are recorded by a diary. I mean, hell, if anyone here were apart of the ratings, I'm sure they would put down that htey lsitened to Dave ENTIRE show, if they did or not. Same with fans of other shows who do it.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by vistadelrey
I think he saw the 04 reunion and wants to cash in on a reunion not for the music but for the hype.

I disagree, I think he's sincere about a reunion and wants to do it for most of the right reasons...

he can't do anything in a humble manner and as a result he lost halen years ago. forever.

I can't argue with that...

I pretty much agree...




:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by vistadelrey
aside from that we have a bombastic roth fan base spewing hot air on him as "one of the greatest front men ever."



He is...

[vistadelrey]

talking roth if roth were getting himself back with halen is respectable but we just witnessed that fly out the window with him insulting the band he wants to "inevitably" get together with.

btw there is only one fucker (nowadays) that makes me more sick than roth's crap and that is frat boy hagar. don't know why you brought him up. R U insecure about my assesment of roth.

hey man. roth was fuckin awesome. hagar was never that good.

we all know that.

[ELVIS]

No man, stick around, you'll see what I mean...

[vistadelrey]

Originally posted by ELVIS
No, pathetic is ridiculing people talking discussing David Lee Roth on a David Lee Roth message board...

I will say that discussing Sammy Hagar on this board is pathetic...

I'm sorry I even mentioned him, but some of the fags around here can't get enough of his lame ass...


:elvis:

talking roth if roth were getting himself back with halen is respectable but we just witnessed that fly out the window with him insulting the band he wants to "inevitably" get together with.

btw there is only one fucker (nowadays) that makes me more sick than roth's crap and that is frat boy hagar. don't know why you brought him up. R U insecure about my assesment of roth.

hey man. roth was fuckin awesome. hagar was never that good.

we all know that.

[vistadelrey]

Originally posted by ELVIS
He is...


he definitely could have been.

[vistadelrey]

elvis.

I'm dying here man. halen fuckin fell off the face of the earth. just like that .

I guess we are all dealing with that. some of us blame the bros and some blame roth.

personally i think Roth TOOK OFF to Hollywood and wound up in vegas. eddie just kept playing with what was left. i dunno

[ELVIS]

Dude, I've been part of this website since 1999...

We've been through the Van Halen mill around here...

Stick around, this place can be fun when you have nothing better to do...


Peace


:elvis:

[Brett]

Originally posted by rocket
Sirius had already projected to have 3 Mill users by Jan 1 2006 before the Stern deal. Looks like he really only drew 300K listeners.

Not sure what you mean there.

Since Stern's announcement, Sirius has gone from 600,000 users to 3.3 million and they are projecting 6 million by next January. So what do you mean 300,000?

[ELVIS]

Either way, the success of satellite radio has little to do with Stern...

For instance, I'm considering getting satellite radio, and my interest has nothing whatsoever to do with Howard Stern...

[ELVIS]

..oops...:D

[Brett]

Dude I listen to 20 minutes of the guy in the morning on the way to work, the rest of the time I listen to music and sports, I really enjoy it. It's great not to have to deal with shitty free radio anymore. But for me, I'm in the car a lot so it's great.

I still think he has helped grow Sirius immensly. They didn't go from 600,000 to 3.3 million without his help.

[ELVIS]

Well, I wonder how XM radio compares...

[twonabomber]

Stern helped Sirius more than those halfwits Opie and Anthony help XM.

i know Brett will appreciate that comment. :D

[twonabomber]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Well, I wonder how XM radio compares...

don't buy what WE like, buy what YOU like.

[spmusicplyr]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Well, I wonder how XM radio compares...

xm has an all led zep channel...thats gotta be bad ass

[ELVIS]

Yeah right...:rolleyes:

[leeawful]

look guys it does take a while to build your listeners, what roth needs to do is figure what his strengths are and work from there, dont panic and go for the porn shit. I'm not stern bashing but the only chance for me to get any of the show was to watch on E channel, i quit watching there at the end because here is how a typical show went,female actress comes on, asks her if she he was good looking enough for her to have sex with him, beg her to take her clothes off, bring some girl off the street, beg her to strip if not free offer a watch, 1000.00 in cash, or just bring a porn star on and beg her to show them her boobs, that is how damn near every show went, lets get all this off my chest. I heard hagar on the BobandTom show, and he was braggin about how after he joined the brothers the became more artistic, i think he has more commercial with artistic

[leeawful]

And as far as his show, he should take a cue from david letterman, his show is a little offbeat and quirky, the 2 of them are alike in a lot of ways, their humor, and they don't let stars act high and mighty, not without taking a few insulting shots at them, that is what he should do

[fryingdutchman]

Originally posted by pablo
Saw this at Drudgereport.com

Saying DLR had a 1.7 share in January compared to Howard's 7.9 in December. Devolping. Hope it's not the end as i lke the show.

Are these Birch numbers or Arbitron???

:D

[DavidLeeBroth]

Originally posted by spmusicplyr
im sure he didnt do that well his first 2 months in radio!

Probably not.

But then again Howard didn't start out as a world famous celebrity, frontman of a multi-platinum selling band at the flag ship radio station of one of the biggest media conglomerates in the world, reaching millions of listeners on a daily basis.

[Polk High]

Hopefully Roth will be back, till then defend the man from these clowns on the radio now

[DavidLeeBroth]

Originally posted by Polk High
Hopefully Roth will be back,

Hope so. Doesn't look good though.

[chuckg1982]

Roth is among the highest-rated of Stern's replacements. Based on that, I don't see any reason to replace him. If you are going to replace hiim, then you should also replace more than half of the Stern replacements. As I've just shown, Carolla's ratings are even worse. And from what I've seen, more people actually thought Carolla would do better.

Stern even said himself that it takes at least a year before terrestrial radio finds an audience. I really hope someone finds the ratings that Stern did when he started out. I'm sure they aren't giving up on Roth just yet.

If I were to make a guess, I'd say that this short "vacation" is for the purpose of radio execs doing some sort of in-service with Roth. They are probably working with him hands-on to try and help him improve the show, as they realize he is a beginner at this.

[Polk High]

what was carolla rated?

[Roy Munson]

Ratings story (http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_02_27/topstory.asp)


Here's the latest story.

[bigtrouble77]

I don't truely understand the ratings, but I see some good and bad things here...

The fact that Dave trounced Corolla is a great thing for Dave, although I kinda hoped Corolla would do ok too. The article also said that Dave is rated 18th overall. That doesn't sound good at all. In fact, that sounds pretty devestating.

I'd say the best thing Dave has going for him is that he's getting paid a ton so it doesn't do any good to fire him right away. Who are they gonna have fill for him, Kidd Chris?

I'd say the news is mostly bad and probably won't get much better. The one thing that interests me is how much the web traffic is taken into account. I listen to the show mostly at night so my listenership is not taken into account.

[chuckg1982]

Originally posted by bigtrouble77
The article also said that Dave is rated 18th overall.

18 out of how many?

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by chuckg1982
18 out of how many?

You live in NYC -- go thru the radio. There's a few hundred stations FM&AM combined.