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Warham
03-07-2006, 09:48 PM
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer

28 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The House renewed the USA Patriot Act in a cliffhanger vote Tuesday night, extending a centerpiece of the war on terrorism at President Bush's urging after months of political combat over the balance between privacy rights and the pursuit of potential terrorists.

Bush, forced by filibuster to accept new curbs on law enforcement investigations, is expected to sign the legislation before 16 provisions of the 2001 law expire on Friday.

The vote was 280-138, just two more than needed under special rules that required a two-thirds majority. The close vote caught senior Republican aides in both chambers by surprise.

Nonetheless, the vote marked a political victory for Bush and will allow congressional Republicans facing midterm elections this year to continue touting a tough-on-terror stance. Bush's approval ratings have suffered in recent months after revelations that he had authorized secret, warrantless wiretapping of Americans.

That issue helped fuel a two-month Senate filibuster that forced the White House to accept some new restrictions on information gathered in terrorism probes.

Republicans on Tuesday declared the legislative war won, saying the renewal of the act's 16 provisions along with new curbs on government investigatory power will help law enforcement prevent terrorists from striking.

"Intense congressional and public scrutiny has not produced a single substantiated claim that the Patriot Act has been misused to violate Americans' civil liberties," said House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis. "Opponents of the legislation have relied upon exaggeration and hyperbole to distort a demonstrated record of accomplishment and success."

"The president looks forward to signing the bill into law," said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.

But the debate over the balance between a strong war against terrorists and civil liberties protections is far from over.

The Senate Judiciary Committee is holding hearings on the domestic wiretapping program. Additionally, Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the chief author of the Patriot Act renewal, has introduced a new measure "to provide extra protections that better comport with my sensitivity of civil rights."

Despite its passage the Patriot Act still has staunch congressional opponents who protested it by voting 'no' even on the part of the bill that would add new civil rights protections. During the Senate's final debate last week, Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., said he was voting 'no' because the new protections for Americans were so modest they were almost meaningless.

Such objections echoed during the House debate Tuesday, where the measure was supported by 214 Republicans and 66 Democrats and opposed by 13 Republicans, 124 Democrats and one Independent.

"I rise in strong opposition to this legislation because it offers only a superficial reform that will have little if any impact on safeguarding our civil liberties," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio.

For now, Bush will be signing a package on which members of both chambers of Congress and the president can agree.

The package renews 16 expiring provisions of the original Patriot Act, including one that allows federal officials to obtain "tangible items" like business records, including those from libraries and bookstores, for foreign intelligence and international terrorism investigations.

Other provisions would clarify that foreign intelligence or counterintelligence officers should share information obtained as part of a criminal investigation with counterparts in domestic law enforcement agencies.

Forced by Feingold's filibuster, Congress and the White House have agreed to new curbs on the Patriot Act's powers.

These restrictions would:

_ Give recipients of court-approved subpoenas for information in terrorist investigations the right to challenge a requirement that they refrain from telling anyone.

_ Eliminate a requirement that an individual provide the FBI with the name of a lawyer consulted about a National Security Letter, which is a demand for records issued by investigators.

_ Clarify that most libraries are not subject to demands in those letters for information about suspected terrorists.

The legislation also takes aim at the distribution and use of methamphetamine by limiting the supply of a key ingredient found in everyday cold and allergy medicines.

Yet another provision is designed to strengthen port security by imposing strict punishments on crew members who impede or mislead law enforcement officers trying to board their ships.

FORD
03-07-2006, 10:02 PM
This is a very sad day for America :(

Spineless fucking cowards.......

Warham
03-07-2006, 10:04 PM
Are you talking about the 66 Democrats who voted for it?

FORD
03-07-2006, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Are you talking about the 66 Democrats who voted for it?

I'm talking about ANYONE who voted for this fascist piece of shit.

Warham
03-07-2006, 10:08 PM
I STILL have not heard one American who's claimed that this has hindered their civil rights.

Where are these people?

jhale667
03-07-2006, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by FORD
I'm talking about ANYONE who voted for this fascist piece of shit.

Pretty much. :mad:

EAT MY ASSHOLE
03-07-2006, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I STILL have not heard one American who's claimed that this has hindered their civil rights.

Where are these people?

Since you ask, Gitmo.

With no access to legal counsel, no means of telling their story, no ability to state their case and perhaps prove their innocence.

Which is why you haven't heard of any hindering of civil rights.

Warham
03-07-2006, 10:15 PM
I'm not talking about foreigners being held by the US military. I'm talking about citizens of our country.

FORD
03-07-2006, 10:15 PM
Hey what the fuck do you know..... the troll got one right.

But without even going to Gitmo, what about Jose Padilla?

Model citizen? Perhaps not.

But citizen all the same. And holding him for YEARS without a charge or access to family and a lawyer is complete fascist horseshit.

jhale667
03-07-2006, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I'm not talking about foreigners being held by the US military. I'm talking about citizens of our country.

Geee....if there WERE American citizens being held there, think we'd KNOW about it? ;)

Warham
03-07-2006, 10:21 PM
What about him?

His case went through the courts, and they ruled it was perfectly fine for him to be held for three years.

FORD
03-07-2006, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by jhale667
Geee....if there WERE American citizens being held there, think we'd KNOW about it? ;)

They were holding Army chaplain James Yee there for a while, and he was innocent.

Warham
03-07-2006, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Model citizen? Perhaps not.


That would be a BIG 'no!'

Nickdfresh
03-07-2006, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I STILL have not heard one American who's claimed that this has hindered their civil rights.

Where are these people?

Gee WARHAM, it's tough to "know" when the gov't keeps it's lawbreaking classified...

Warham
03-07-2006, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Gee WARHAM, it's tough to "know" when the gov't keeps it's lawbreaking classified...

Yeah, right!

There are too many 'whistleblowers' running off to the NY Times for anything to be classified for very long.

For anything to stay truly 'classified', it's gotta be Area 51 Top Secret ClassifiedŽ.

Nickdfresh
03-07-2006, 11:04 PM
Why do you think they're cracking down on whistle-blowers by cracking down on journalists by threatening never ending indictments?

Warham
03-07-2006, 11:07 PM
They are cracking down on whistle-blowers because they are disclosing national security secrets?

Nickdfresh
03-07-2006, 11:09 PM
There's only two threads on it in this Forum poky...

ODShowtime
03-08-2006, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Warham
I STILL have not heard one American who's claimed that this has hindered their civil rights.

Where are these people?

In a fucking hole in Europe somewhere :rolleyes:

ULTRAMAN VH
03-08-2006, 05:20 PM
I don't agree with the Patriot Act, it is another step toward Socialism. But due to open borders and the possibility of open ports, we are going to get caught with our pants down again. Terrorists are very patient and methodical. How do we combat that. As we speak I am sure there are several groups and individuals right here on American soil planning their next attack. It pisses me off that The President preaches the importance of national security, yet he hasn't lifted a finger to close our borders and is going to allow a business who has tie's with a group who is on his Axis of Evil list to do business in our ports.