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  • Warham
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Mar 2004
    • 14589

    Congress Renews Patriot Act;

    By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer

    28 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON - The House renewed the USA Patriot Act in a cliffhanger vote Tuesday night, extending a centerpiece of the war on terrorism at President Bush's urging after months of political combat over the balance between privacy rights and the pursuit of potential terrorists.

    Bush, forced by filibuster to accept new curbs on law enforcement investigations, is expected to sign the legislation before 16 provisions of the 2001 law expire on Friday.

    The vote was 280-138, just two more than needed under special rules that required a two-thirds majority. The close vote caught senior Republican aides in both chambers by surprise.

    Nonetheless, the vote marked a political victory for Bush and will allow congressional Republicans facing midterm elections this year to continue touting a tough-on-terror stance. Bush's approval ratings have suffered in recent months after revelations that he had authorized secret, warrantless wiretapping of Americans.

    That issue helped fuel a two-month Senate filibuster that forced the White House to accept some new restrictions on information gathered in terrorism probes.

    Republicans on Tuesday declared the legislative war won, saying the renewal of the act's 16 provisions along with new curbs on government investigatory power will help law enforcement prevent terrorists from striking.

    "Intense congressional and public scrutiny has not produced a single substantiated claim that the Patriot Act has been misused to violate Americans' civil liberties," said House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis. "Opponents of the legislation have relied upon exaggeration and hyperbole to distort a demonstrated record of accomplishment and success."

    "The president looks forward to signing the bill into law," said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.

    But the debate over the balance between a strong war against terrorists and civil liberties protections is far from over.

    The Senate Judiciary Committee is holding hearings on the domestic wiretapping program. Additionally, Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the chief author of the Patriot Act renewal, has introduced a new measure "to provide extra protections that better comport with my sensitivity of civil rights."

    Despite its passage the Patriot Act still has staunch congressional opponents who protested it by voting 'no' even on the part of the bill that would add new civil rights protections. During the Senate's final debate last week, Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., said he was voting 'no' because the new protections for Americans were so modest they were almost meaningless.

    Such objections echoed during the House debate Tuesday, where the measure was supported by 214 Republicans and 66 Democrats and opposed by 13 Republicans, 124 Democrats and one Independent.

    "I rise in strong opposition to this legislation because it offers only a superficial reform that will have little if any impact on safeguarding our civil liberties," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio.

    For now, Bush will be signing a package on which members of both chambers of Congress and the president can agree.

    The package renews 16 expiring provisions of the original Patriot Act, including one that allows federal officials to obtain "tangible items" like business records, including those from libraries and bookstores, for foreign intelligence and international terrorism investigations.

    Other provisions would clarify that foreign intelligence or counterintelligence officers should share information obtained as part of a criminal investigation with counterparts in domestic law enforcement agencies.

    Forced by Feingold's filibuster, Congress and the White House have agreed to new curbs on the Patriot Act's powers.

    These restrictions would:

    _ Give recipients of court-approved subpoenas for information in terrorist investigations the right to challenge a requirement that they refrain from telling anyone.

    _ Eliminate a requirement that an individual provide the FBI with the name of a lawyer consulted about a National Security Letter, which is a demand for records issued by investigators.

    _ Clarify that most libraries are not subject to demands in those letters for information about suspected terrorists.

    The legislation also takes aim at the distribution and use of methamphetamine by limiting the supply of a key ingredient found in everyday cold and allergy medicines.

    Yet another provision is designed to strengthen port security by imposing strict punishments on crew members who impede or mislead law enforcement officers trying to board their ships.
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58759

    #2
    This is a very sad day for America

    Spineless fucking cowards.......
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • Warham
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Mar 2004
      • 14589

      #3
      Are you talking about the 66 Democrats who voted for it?

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58759

        #4
        Originally posted by Warham
        Are you talking about the 66 Democrats who voted for it?
        I'm talking about ANYONE who voted for this fascist piece of shit.
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • Warham
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 14589

          #5
          I STILL have not heard one American who's claimed that this has hindered their civil rights.

          Where are these people?

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          • jhale667
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 20929

            #6
            Originally posted by FORD
            I'm talking about ANYONE who voted for this fascist piece of shit.
            Pretty much.
            Originally posted by conmee
            If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

            That is all.

            Icon.
            Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
            I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


            Originally posted by Isaac R.
            Then it's really true??:eek:

            The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

            OMFG...who in their right mind...???
            Originally posted by eddie78
            I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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            • EAT MY ASSHOLE
              Veteran
              • Feb 2006
              • 1887

              #7
              Originally posted by Warham
              I STILL have not heard one American who's claimed that this has hindered their civil rights.

              Where are these people?
              Since you ask, Gitmo.

              With no access to legal counsel, no means of telling their story, no ability to state their case and perhaps prove their innocence.

              Which is why you haven't heard of any hindering of civil rights.
              RIM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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              • Warham
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Mar 2004
                • 14589

                #8
                I'm not talking about foreigners being held by the US military. I'm talking about citizens of our country.

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58759

                  #9
                  Hey what the fuck do you know..... the troll got one right.

                  But without even going to Gitmo, what about Jose Padilla?

                  Model citizen? Perhaps not.

                  But citizen all the same. And holding him for YEARS without a charge or access to family and a lawyer is complete fascist horseshit.
                  Eat Us And Smile

                  Cenk For America 2024!!

                  Justice Democrats


                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • jhale667
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 20929

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Warham
                    I'm not talking about foreigners being held by the US military. I'm talking about citizens of our country.
                    Geee....if there WERE American citizens being held there, think we'd KNOW about it?
                    Originally posted by conmee
                    If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                    That is all.

                    Icon.
                    Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                    I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                    Originally posted by Isaac R.
                    Then it's really true??:eek:

                    The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                    OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                    Originally posted by eddie78
                    I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                    • Warham
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 14589

                      #11
                      What about him?

                      His case went through the courts, and they ruled it was perfectly fine for him to be held for three years.

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58759

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jhale667
                        Geee....if there WERE American citizens being held there, think we'd KNOW about it?
                        They were holding Army chaplain James Yee there for a while, and he was innocent.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Warham
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 14589

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FORD
                          Model citizen? Perhaps not.
                          That would be a BIG 'no!'

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49136

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Warham
                            I STILL have not heard one American who's claimed that this has hindered their civil rights.

                            Where are these people?
                            Gee WARHAM, it's tough to "know" when the gov't keeps it's lawbreaking classified...

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                            • Warham
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 14589

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Gee WARHAM, it's tough to "know" when the gov't keeps it's lawbreaking classified...
                              Yeah, right!

                              There are too many 'whistleblowers' running off to the NY Times for anything to be classified for very long.

                              For anything to stay truly 'classified', it's gotta be Area 51 Top Secret Classified®.

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