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[Romeo Delight]

It is for real.

I recorded it in 1984 from KISW, a Seattle Radio station.

Bo Roberts played this on the 10:00 pm Metalshop Hour.

For those concerned with my lossy file...I will provide a flac file one once I find original recording.

First 10 seconds is a tad distorted because I had recording level set too high...Rest is perfect though.

I think Synth overdubs were done in 1984, when Ed gave this to the studio.

It was Ed remembering that the station didn't pursue litigation after a 1979 radio interview that turned into a typical Van Halen event.


http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=48895

[BrownSound1]

No way that guitar was recorded at the same time the original Eruption was done, if in fact that is EVH. It might have been an alternate version...but this was recorded long after VH1 came out. Too much processed guitar tone for it to be old VH.

[Romeo Delight]

Trust me, it's Ed.

You might be right about when it was recorded.

[Matt White]

I wasn't sure it was EVH...until the pinch harmonics near the end...

KEWL:cool:

Way to be DF:rockit:

[ThrillsNSpills]

Not Ed.

[ThrillsNSpills]

Cool clip though.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by ThrillsNSpills
Not Ed.

It is Ed.

[Solbakken]

It`s Carlos Santana.

[Matt White]

It's your Mother........

[1971Quarter]

It's actually Randy Rhoads.

That's why Eddie downed his plane

[Romeo Delight]

The file I posted is an edited version without minute introduction from Bo Roberts, the dj.

He basically said:

" I had a chance to talk to Eddie Van Halen the other day. Unfortunately he did not have any new material he could give us. However, he did give us some studio out-takes. What you are about to hear is one of three versions of Eruption..."

Something like that.

I have it all on original tape somewhere.

Obviously, Ed either re-recorded it entirely or just overdubbed.

If you listen a few times, I am sure you will realize that it is Ed.

[Brett]

Doesn't sound like Ed to me at all. Maybe the pinch harmonics at the end. The tone is weird too, it's definitely not Ed's early sound.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Brett
Doesn't sound like Ed to me at all. Maybe the pinch harmonics at the end.


I think that's why Ed gave it to them though. Listen at least 10 times and then tell me it isn't Ed.

[Brett]

I've also read Ed say he did only two takes of Eruption and they used the one where he even made a mistake in it. The licks he plays in this are nothing like anything he was doing in 1978...nor are they licks that I've ever heard him do, that's why I don't buy it. Some of the runs sound like him, some totally don't.

[Romeo Delight]

I don't think it's a take, but rather something he had tried or had once been a part of Eruption.

Ed was close with Bo Roberts and Steve Slaten, two of KISW's DJ's.

It is legit.

"Studio out-takes" could mean shit Ed recorded in studio.

I think the important point is that while details as to the timing of recording could be mistaken, the fact that Ed talked to this DJ and sent him a tape is not.

Why would Ed give them a tape of a slightly different version of Eruption, when he could show them a different take.

Will you change your mind Brett, if I post this at the Links?;)

[Brett]

I am not saying it's not him, it's just different-sounding to me.

[frets5150]

Not his style so I say it's not.

[jhale667]

I'll say it...ain't him.


Cool, though! :D

[rustoffa]

Iron it out.

[SRK]

I Don`t think its him at all

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Brett
I've also read Ed say he did only two takes of Eruption and they used the one where he even made a mistake in it.

Is this the same Ed that used to say he didn't use any guitar effects whatsoever?

That said I agree with you I doubt it's him. During his many years of drunken shit EVH has been a great rehasher of his previous work and licks. It seems unlikely to me that he would have a bunch of licks that he never subsequently used.


Cheers!

:gulp:

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by frets5150
Not his style so I say it's not.

Happy Birthday frets!

Nice sig!

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5226/cash8mx.jpg" border="0" width="458" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

[Romeo Delight]

If it's not Ed then Ed was playing a joke on all of us, because he gave the radio station the clip.

Ed admitedly has stuff that would "clear the room" according to him.

Why wouldn't he want to try something a bit different in this no-risk environment?

He owed the station for the band basically destroying it in 1979.

He kept in touch ever since and gave them this gem.

[PlexiBrown]

Sounded cool, but it's not EVH.

[pmwc1159]

Gotta agree--to my ears, it's not Eddie! Out of a dozen different bootlegs of hearing him play extended guitar solos unaccompanied, I don't hear a single lick in that posted solo that sounds like Eddie, with the exception of the very last few notes. The rest of the solo is also played metronomically, like a classical piece, not characteristic of EVH at all.

[Romeo Delight]

That's what I get for sharing:rolleyes:

Have any of you heard Ed's music that he did for his ex-wife's TV movies or Donut City, or the Wild Life?

I have. Not very much like CVH. Listen carefully. It is different but it is Ed.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
That's what I get for sharing:rolleyes:


Everyone's a cynic.
:rolleyes:

Sit back, crack open a cold one, and watch the festivities.
:cool:

[frets5150]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Happy Birthday frets!

Nice sig!

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5226/cash8mx.jpg" border="0" width="458" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

Thanks and Thanks again..
Here's another one to put in your SIG.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/valerie1.jpg


And I am sure she is writing alot of them these days.:D

Poor Uncle Ed:(

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by frets5150
Thanks and Thanks again..
Here's another one to put in your SIG.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/FRETS5150/valerie1.jpg


And I am sure she is writing alot of them these days.:D

Poor Uncle Ed:(
:D

[Romeo Delight]

If it's not Ed, who else could come up with shit like this with the synth overdubs in 1984?

No one.

No one has heard it before either, I am sure of that.

So...it is an elaborate hoax, complete with unbelievable guitar solo performance, or....It's Ed.

That's right...it's the Holy Grail of Guitar Solos...unreleased EVH, CVH era.

[frets5150]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
If it's not Ed, who else could come up with shit like this with the synth overdubs in 1984?

No one.

No one has heard it before either, I am sure of that.

So...it is the most elaborate hoax ever, complete with unbelievable guitar solo performance, or....It's Ed.

That's right...it's the Holy Grail of Guitar Solos...unreleased EVH, CVH era.


OK OK... I give up It's EVH :D

[Matt White]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
That's what I get for sharing:rolleyes:

Have any of you heard Ed's music that he did for his ex-wife's TV movies or Donut City, or the Wild Life?

I have. Not very much like CVH. Listen carefully. It is different but it is Ed.

GOOD WORK DF....

And good point....

Again...thanks for sharing....

it's EVH.....

[frets5150]

Although Part 00:32 -00:37 sounds just like Respect the Wind IMO

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Matt White
GOOD WORK DF....

And good point....

Again...thanks for sharing....

it's EVH.....

I knew you would appreciate Matt.

And to think I've been sitting on this for 22 years without sharing.

I'm sorry.

[frets5150]

At 1:21 just for a split second it sounds the beginning of Eruption just after the first 7 seconds where he starts the pulloffs slow it down on windows player you will hear it.

[pmwc1159]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
If it's not Ed, who else could come up with shit like this with the synth overdubs in 1984?

Yngwie Malmsteen in 1983. Listen to this intro to "Hot On Your Heels" (http://video.yoyoing.com:8080/yngwie/discog/sound/Heels1.mp3) when he was in Steeler...following the acoustic guitar intro, it goes into electric guitar solo, with Taurus bass (synth) pedals.

BTW, if that clip really is EVH, where are the trademark harmonics and Floyd Rose wang bar antics that he's used in virtually all of his solos?

[frets5150]

Thanks now I have a HEADACHE :(

[FORD]

KISW was the first radio station outside of southern California to play Van Halen, and the band had a great relationship with the on air staff of the time, most of whom are still on the air, but they're all at KZOK now. Except for Bo Roberts. Not sure where he ended up, actually.....

Anyway, it's possible that such a transaction took place, but that doesn't sound like Eddie to me, and it doesn't sound remotely like "Eruption"

[Casemeister]

It does sound a LITTLE like EVH at times, but it doesn't have many EVH trademarks. I don't think it's him (it COULD be), but I do believe you have posted it this in good faith, and that is cool! :D

Thanks for posting it, even if it isn't EVH!

[Romeo Delight]

I have an idea...for those of you who don't think it's Ed....

We'll just say it is me playing these licks. Sure.

I know this exists no where else so I am safe:D

[Big Troubles]

other than the harmonics, it does not sound like Edward at all. Classic or not.

[Coyote]

Vivian Campbell? Nah...

John Sykes? Nah...

Dimebag Darrell? nah, The sound's too smooth.

George Lynch? Could be, but it's too classical.

Yngwie Malmsteen? Not enough arpeggios.

Zakk Wylde? He's a pentatonic-scale super-(mis)user.

I don't know who the fuck it is. Could be pretty much anyone...

Even EVH. :D

[Big Troubles]

LOL I was thinking it sounded ALOT like something Lynch would do. But yeah I was running through all the guitar players I could think of that would sound like that. Or play that style. I hear Malmsteen in there somewhat.

[Coyote]

It's also possible that it's just some Seattle dude posing as EVH.

Kurt Cobain?! :eek: :D

[rustoffa]

No way that's Lynch.

[BrownSound1]

I think it is possible for it to be EVH. Just because he doesn't do all of his "signature" tricks in there doesn't mean anything. This sounds as though it is a thought out guitar piece, as opposed to Eruption, which had some thought out parts, but was improvised as he went too.

The tone...well it sounds kind of like Ed's tone from the Wild Life soundtrack. Definitely a humbucker, so that rules out Yngwie. There's a bend that did remind me of "Respect The Wind" like it did some others. I've heard stories of Ed playing things like this just goofing off, but who knows.

Surely there is some way to find out for sure if this is EVH.

[Brett]

Nothing like George Lynch at all.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by BrownSound1

Surely there is some way to find out for sure if this is EVH.

Well, I don't think we'll find it in the VH Encyclopedia;)

It is what I said it was...EVH.

Bo Roberts would be the best person to track down to confirm.

[Romeo Delight]

http://www.rootsweb.com/~txnavarr/biographies/r/roberts_bo.htm

Is this him?

[Flash Bastard]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma


It is what I said it was...EVH.

I believe you dude.

[Romeo Delight]

The copy I posted is one I gave to a friend. He cut out the intro of DJ and the last few seconds of solo because he looped the track to play 5 times in a row.

I have original...just too well hidden.

[Matt White]

I'm with ya DF....

It's the man...


Like he sounded like himself on the STARFLEET PROJECT...on the tunes where he didn't play his usual lickity spilt stuff.......

Some people would need to SEE EVH play something different to believe it was actually him...

What can ya do...................???

[ELVIS]

Oh HELL YESSS, that IS EDWARD VAN HALEN !!

I lived in Seattle '85-'86 and I recorded this from Metal Shop myself!

I never heard it again and I could never find any further info on it, but it's Edward FO' SHO' !!


:elvis:

[Matt White]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Oh HELL YESSS, that IS EDWARD VAN HALEN !!

I lived in Seattle '85-'86 and I recorded this from Metal Shop myself!

I never heard it again and I could never find any further info on it, but it's Edward FO' SHO' !!


:elvis:

Exactly, exactly

And What did DAVE say is EVH's GRATEST attribute?!?

"He was able to play a GRATE many styles...BRILLIANTLY"

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Matt White
I'm with ya DF....

It's the man...


Like he sounded like himself on the STARFLEET PROJECT...on the tunes where he didn't play his usual lickity spilt stuff.......

Some people would need to SEE EVH play something different to believe it was actually him...

What can ya do...................???


Starfleet is cool.

I like the blues shit, side 2

[Satan]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
http://www.rootsweb.com/~txnavarr/biographies/r/roberts_bo.htm

Is this him?

Don't think so. Must be some other Bo Roberts. KISW isn't mentioned anywhere in this guy's bio, nor is the late KXRX (which is the first place most of the old KISW staff migrated to)

And according to the bio, this guy would have been working in Texas at the time that our Bo Roberts was on the air in Seattle.

[ELVIS]

It's him, idiot...

[ELVIS]

Oh, nevermind...:D

[Romeo Delight]

For those who just can't help themselves...I think I tracked the Bo Roberts down

Not sure though

http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2002-08-08/feature2_3.html

[Satan]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
For those who just can't help themselves...I think I tracked the Bo Roberts down

Not sure though

http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2002-08-08/feature2_3.html

Nope. This is the same guy in the bio. Can't be KISW's Bo Roberts, because you can't be in Texas or New Orleans and Seattle at the same time.

Wait a minute.... if this guy was on the radio in New Orleans, Elvis should know him, right?

[Plexi Head]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
If it's not Ed, who else could come up with shit like this with the synth overdubs in 1984?

No one.

No one has heard it before either, I am sure of that.

So...it is an elaborate hoax, complete with unbelievable guitar solo performance, or....It's Ed.

That's right...it's the Holy Grail of Guitar Solos...unreleased EVH, CVH era.

Sorry but that is just basic 12 year old neo classical bullshit. Ed was creative and would never trot out mind numbing minor scales especially the fucking crap that is on that recording. THAT IS NOT THE BROWN SOUND, it is a poor excuse for a guitar tone. Kinda sounds like Nuno on a bad day. There is just nothing there that points to it being Ed or anything that resembles his unique style and tone, nothing.

[Plexi Head]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
That's what I get for sharing:rolleyes:

Have any of you heard Ed's music that he did for his ex-wife's TV movies or Donut City, or the Wild Life?

I have. Not very much like CVH. Listen carefully. It is different but it is Ed.

Bullshit, all that stuff he did on the soundtracks sounded exactly like Ed. Most of the riffs from Wildlife ended up on 5150. Donut City was the main track on Wildlife not a seperate project. Starfleet also sounded exactly like Ed with a somewhat watered down tone. Ed would never stoop so low as to play the kinda neo classical crap that is on that clip. A 12 year old could pull that shit off.

[EVAN DANDO]

SASHA'S PICTURE AND PROFILE ARE ON MYSPACE.COM........SHE HAS A FACE FOR RADIO....AND ON TODAY'S SHOW SHE INFERRED THAT SHE ENJOYS BEING STALKED............EAT 'EM AND SMILE ,BABY!!!!!!!!

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Plexi Head
Sorry but that is just basic 12 year old neo classical bullshit. Ed was creative and would never trot out mind numbing minor scales especially the fucking crap that is on that recording.

Well, I heard it and recorded it from the radio in I think 1985...

It's Edward Van Halen...

At the time, "mind numbing minor scales" and Yngwie Malmsteen were all the rage...

This was Edward's interpretation...

I remember it being Edward, and I KNOW it's Edward...

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Plexi Head
Bullshit, all that stuff he did on the soundtracks sounded exactly like Ed. Most of the riffs from Wildlife ended up on 5150. Donut City was the main track on Wildlife not a seperate project. Starfleet also sounded exactly like Ed with a somewhat watered down tone. Ed would never stoop so low as to play the kinda neo classical crap that is on that clip. A 12 year old could pull that shit off.

Nothing redeeming at all in this solo?

:rolleyes:

[philouze]

Haven't heard it yet, but I'm SURE I don't know who it is until I hear it.

Useful, heh ???

Alrighty. Just listened to it.
Huh... Not the style of EVH, not really the sound, but(t) fuck, I believe you, DF... If it's Ed, he really made a joke of all these 80s shredders...

Good call !!

[ELVIS]

Well, It's Ed for sure...

The first giveaway is the tone, despite what Plexi says...

My observation is that most of the posters on this board can't tell the difference between CC Deville and Jimmy Page...

The tone is all late 80's Edward...

The keyboard sound is also reminicant of 80's Edward...

I personally recorded this piece from the radio and it was labeled as EDWARD VAN HALEN!

Actually, I believe it was right before 5150 was released...

Maybe Edward had other thoughts prior to his downfall with hagar ??


:elvis:

[pet]

this is NOT eddie!

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by ELVIS
...


Actually, I believe it was right before 5150 was released...

Maybe Edward had other thoughts prior to his downfall with hagar ??


:elvis:

It could have been 1985, but it was before Hagar, I remember that much

[bueno bob]

Like Elvis, I was exposed to it back in 1985...I'd forgotten about it for years...

Yes, it's Ed. Debate over.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Plexi Head
Sorry but that is just basic 12 year old neo classical bullshit. Ed was creative and would never trot out mind numbing minor scales especially the fucking crap that is on that recording. THAT IS NOT THE BROWN SOUND, it is a poor excuse for a guitar tone. Kinda sounds like Nuno on a bad day. There is just nothing there that points to it being Ed or anything that resembles his unique style and tone, nothing.

Maybe that means Ed should leave shred to the experts.

:)

[philouze]

IT'S FUCKIN ED !!!!!!!!!
I'm sure..
And, Elvis, you're the man for sayin that "most of the posters on this board can't tell the difference between CC Deville and Jimmy Page..."
LMFAO
Right on, ROTH ON

[Plexi Head]

This is a joke. That is not EVH, end of story.

[Big Fat Sammy]

There are couple of slight moments of Eddie feel in there, but don't believe it's him, no way.

[Jurak]

I say it's Ed....

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by philouze
And, Elvis, you're the man for sayin that "most of the posters on this board can't tell the difference between CC Deville and Jimmy Page..."
LMFAO
Right on, ROTH ON

Time for some photoshop!
:)

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Plexi Head
This is a joke. That is not EVH, end of story.

Here you go:

[Plexi Head]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
Here you go:


Fuck I wish I had the time on my hands that some people obviously do, I really do.

As I said before, that is not EVH, the alternate picking alone gives it away. Ed just never played like that EVER. If you think otherwise you just don't know guitars or guitar playing. END OF STORY.

And if you are infering that I am deaf, maybe I am. Been playing guitar since I was 5, been teaching since I was 16 and currently own half a half share in a recording studio in which I regulary record and engineer all kinds of bands.

Yep, my ears are fucked.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Plexi Head
Fuck I wish I had the time on my hands that some people obviously do, I really do.

Someday you might be as cool as we are.

As I said before, that is not EVH, the alternate picking alone gives it away. Ed just never played like that EVER.

Which means of course by default that he can't. And won't. And it's not physically possible for him to do so. Well, that's what it means, followed to the end of your line of reasoning.

If you think otherwise you just don't know guitars or guitar playing. END OF STORY.

Oh, OK then...so when you invented the guitar, did you place patents on it to ensure that you'd still be getting royalties today, or did you piss those away a few hundred years back?

Give me a fucking break, Mr. Expert.

And if you are infering that I am deaf, maybe I am. Been playing guitar since I was 5, been teaching since I was 16 and currently own half a half share in a recording studio in which I regulary record and engineer all kinds of bands.

Well, good for you.

Yep, my ears are fucked.

No, just your temperment.

It's OK, I still like ya! :)

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Plexi Head
Yep, my ears are fucked.


I guess so, because the tone alone proves it's Edward...

[Big Troubles]

Ed or not it still sounds like shit.

[ELVIS]

You are shit...

Pull the trigger, dude...

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by ELVIS
You are shit...

Pull the trigger, dude...


Living in Canada it's a bit harder to buy a gun/ammo.... but if I did, I think Id take out a few other fuckers instead. ;)

So are ya sure your ears aren't fucked up, and you can tell that's Ed?

[Big Troubles]

I ask, because I read somewhere that doing lines of coke for extended periods of time can pop your ear drums and seriously hamper your ability to deceifer what kind of an asshole you can be. ;)


Again, in case you missed it the last time we chatted. Go fuck yourself nurse. :fucku: :D

[Big Troubles]

sorry pElvis, I wont let you flex your tiny little biceps in my direction. you are the boss of no-one.

[Romeo Delight]

You needed three posts to say all that?;)

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
You needed three posts to say all that?;)

It got him to 8000...

HA!

[Romeo Delight]

I don't know Elvis at all, but before this thread I thought he was a little bitter, and perhaps suffering from a crippling life-long case of constipation.

But, after seeing the responses of some of the "experts" regarding Ed's tone, etc, I realize that he has just seen a great deal more fools than I in these threads and he has lost any patience.

Can't really blame him.

[Seshmeister]

Elvis is the Nurse Ratched of the site...:)

You should have posted a poll in this thread...

[Coyote]

Originally posted by ELVIS
My observation is that most of the posters on this board can't tell the difference between CC Deville and Jimmy Page...

Never heard CC...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Well, It's Ed for sure...

The first giveaway is the tone, despite what Plexi says...

My observation is that most of the posters on this board can't tell the difference between CC Deville and Jimmy Page...

...
:elvis:

Well, to be fair, JIMMY PAGE wasn't much better live, when he was shooting and having wobbly opium dreams...

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
I don't know Elvis at all, but before this thread I thought he was a little bitter, and perhaps suffering from a crippling life-long case of constipation.

But, after seeing the responses of some of the "experts" regarding Ed's tone, etc, I realize that he has just seen a great deal more fools than I in these threads and he has lost any patience.

Can't really blame him.

I blame him for not letting others have an opinion that differs from his. Wrong or right, people have ideas....That's what this place is for.
Give it time, you'll find out like so many others that he's to blame for everything. :D

Its not constipation he has, it's the verbal shitz.

His fav word is "Hmm"..... That's when you know he conjuring up his next post of BS.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
You needed three posts to say all that?;)

I had 4 more in line, waiting to go, but I thought Id take it easy on ol' swivel hips.:)

[Nickdfresh]

I have to say that I think it's ED. The production quality is a bit off for him with the echoic shit going on, so I can see why people would question this. But the tone at the pauses give it away for me...

If it ain't ED, it's one hell of an imitator...

And I really don't thing DF would make this up. If he posted it, he believes it.

And I'll add that it does sound like Ed on an "off-day," but 2004 was an entire off-year for him...

Listen to roughly the :51-:54 mark. That pause and harmonic inflection, it sounds like Ed to me, but the production is all weird for Van Halen. He could have been noodling when drunk in the studio, 'cause it does sound a little sluggish at times...

[eddie007]

I've been a member for a very short time but, it is now time to chime in.

THIS NOT EVEN A CHANCE OF EVH!!!

I have at least 10 Quality bootlegs of pre-hammer on Eruption Solos from the early, early club days.

I've been playing 25 years myself and can pull off note-for-note everything Eddie has done on record.

......frankly, THAT SOLO SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Eddie would say the same.


It sounds like Yngwee and Nuno got together had a kid,bought him a electric guitar and a rockman.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by eddie007
I've been a member for a very short time but, it is now time to chime in.

THIS NOT EVEN A CHANCE OF EVH!!!

I have at least 10 Quality bootlegs of pre-hammer on Eruption Solos from the early, early club days.

I've been playing 25 years myself and can pull off note-for-note everything Eddie has done on record.

......frankly, THAT SOLO SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Eddie would say the same.


It sounds like Yngwee and Nuno got together had a kid,bought him a electric guitar and a rockman.

Oh wow...another guitar "expert" who knows everything... :rolleyes:

[eddie007]

Don't know everything....thats for sure.


I just know THATS NOT EVH -


HE WOULDN'T GIVE THAT CRAP OUT -


I have a tape from his studio of a an instrumental jam of him , Michael and Alex that he would give up before that junk.


.....if I could knew how to post it , I would.


I know Guitar - I suck at computers !!!!!!!

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Oh wow...another guitar "expert" who knows everything... :rolleyes:

I dunno.... I tend to believe this guy over some of the nurses running around here chiming in on their "expertise". :D

[Big Troubles]

and like he said it sucks... it really does. no matter how many times I play it, it fucking sounds horrible. so if that is indeed Edward Van Halen, that is really sad.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
and like he said it sucks... it really does. no matter how many times I play it, it fucking sounds horrible. so if that is indeed Edward Van Halen, that is really sad.

I don't think Ed needs to revolutionize guitar with every song, although he did do that on almost every album in the CVH era.

I think there is a cool vibe on this solo, especially the last 30 seconds.

Horrible is not the word I would use to describe this at all.

[Big Troubles]

maybe a little harsh with words. Im comparing Ed's best with what I heard on the link. I dont think its Ed, but then again, I dont really care. I just know it didn't, and doesn't sound good to me. I dont hear a decisive pattern to his "noodling" and in fact it sounds like a struggle. Ive heard better, that's for sure.

[Big Troubles]

I liked the guitar work on two of those Sammy tunes they did for the Best of #2 better...

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
I liked the guitar work on two of those Sammy tunes they did for the Best of #2 better...

Wow. Now that's harsh!

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
I liked the guitar work on two of those Sammy tunes they did for the Best of #2 better...

You're one stupid fuck...

Go out into the canadian woods, get stoned, get paranoid and depressed as usual, and have a gun with you...

Well, I doubt you have a gun...

Go to Walmart, get a gun, and go back to step one...

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I have to say that I think it's ED. The production quality is a bit off for him with the echoic shit going on, so I can see why people would question this. But the tone at the pauses give it away for me...



I remember my original copy (which is well hidden at the moment) being better quality sound.

It was a metal tape, and this one was a copy of that, then copied to another tape so my friend could learn to play it (looped)

I think the tone was a bit richer on original

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by ELVIS
go back to step one...


yeah, you know all too well about going back to STEP ONE don't you? ;)


Thank ya...thank ya very much.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
Wow. Now that's harsh!


yeah... the sarcasm didn't flow thru with my post too well. lol

Well, "Learning to See" was quite catchy, no? :D

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by ELVIS
You're one stupid fuck...

Go out into the canadian woods & get stoned




Ok! Thanks Dad!

:rolleyes: "The Canadian Woods"? LMAO! Yeah man.... Up here in Canada -eh, it's nothing but trees... Typical burn out mentality.

:gulp:

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Well, "Learning to See" was quite catchy, no? :D


NO !!


:mad2:

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
!

"The Canadian Woods"? LMAO! Yeah man.... Up here in Canada -eh, it's nothing but trees...



I never said that, you dick-for-breath hoser...

[Big Troubles]

Hoser!? LMAO! too much... :D Take off eh!!!!


pElvis...you may want to scroll up to see where you typed in the words "Canadian Woods", so you can relate to the comic fashion in which I present to you the facts.


and I know this has nothing to do with what we are discussing, but do you get to wear those cute little nurse shoes & white smock with your hair all bobby pinned back? :D

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by ELVIS
NO !!


:mad2:


WHAT???? EH???? :D


oh and :mad2: to you too!

[Big Troubles]

this guy is NOT Eddie Van Halen, and yet he plays a better version then the link posted earlier.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s6xqZpT7J9w

[Big Troubles]

www.vhtributeband.com

[Big Troubles]

nice website.

[Big Troubles]

:D

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
this guy is NOT Eddie Van Halen, and yet he plays a better version then the link posted earlier.



You're stupid if you think that...

That guy is rushed as if he has 30 sec to get it over with...

Edward is slow and fluid as in the link this thread is about...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
:D

What a fuckin' retard...:rolleyes:

Dave never looked stupid like that...

[Big Troubles]

i liked the solo and i like the website design. the only tribute band i like for VH is Atomic punks and even then I dont like them, just because in my mind- nobody should compare with the real deal. sac-relig.

[Coyote]

Judging by the intro to that site, sounds more like Kiss doin' =VH=.

[ELVIS]

Not even that good...

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by ELVIS

Edward is slow and fluid as in the link this thread is about...

I guess for some people, Ed can only play his signature techniques and anything else is crap.

I have heard some of Ed's solo from the 2004 debacle.

One night was nothing you have ever heard of, and wasn't too good.

Another was completely new and had some interesting shit.

How can the dude innovate if he listens to these guys?

[ELVIS]

Well, I recorded it back in 1985 just as you did in Seattle...

It wasn't Metal Shop, just regular KISW, and they said it was EDWARD VAN HALEN...

I had no doubt then, and I have no doubt now...

[Big Troubles]

ive seen clips from the 2004 tour and everyone i seen was him looking and playing like shit. i remember the vid clip of him "playing" runnin' with the devil.

the clip that was posted here ISNT fluid or slow...It's shit. It sounds like he might be playing with his left hand for shits and giggles.

but like i said already, i love the guy and pray for his speedy recovery back to reality-

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Well, I recorded it back in 1985 just as you did in Seattle...

It wasn't Metal Shop, just regular KISW, and they said it was EDWARD VAN HALEN...

I had no doubt then, and I have no doubt now...

look i dont doubt that it is, im just saying "wow" kind of a let down i guess. you REALLY think that is a good solo????

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by ELVIS
What a fuckin' retard...:rolleyes:

Dave never looked stupid like that...


I thought it was fuckin' funny looking. lmao

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma


How can the dude innovate if he listens to these guys?


Musicians dont need to listen to "us" guys. If he's as good as we all believe he is, he wont need this thread, in this forum, at this website, lingering on the net to help him understand most of us dont want him to innovate, we would be tickled pink if he just made some sort of musical attempt!

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
Trust me, it's Ed.

You might be right about when it was recorded.

Not Ed. I have studied Ed's style inside and out for almost 30 fuckin' years, and that ain't him. Sounds more like Carl Verheyven. The alternate picking passages are just not right... I smell a fuckin HOAX by the radio station...

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Not Ed. I have studied Ed's style inside and out for almost 30 fuckin' years, and that ain't him. Sounds more like Carl Verheyven. The alternate picking passages are just not right... I smell a fuckin HOAX by the radio station...

No. They were successful because they were loyal to their listeners.

Not a chance of it being a hoax.

I find it hard NOT to hear Edward in the solo. Weird that others can't hear him.:confused:

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
No. They were successful because they were loyal to their listeners.



Loyalty has nothing to do with the success of the first album?

If Ed needs the fans to tell him what kind of "style" or song to play, then he should take up tuba. :D

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Loyalty has nothing to do with the success of the first album?

If Ed needs the fans to tell him what kind of "style" or song to play, then he should take up tuba. :D

I was talking about the radio station and the assertion that the solo was a hoax.

[Big Troubles]

sorry. :confused:

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Loyalty has nothing to do with the success of the first album?

If Ed needs the fans to tell him what kind of "style" or song to play, then he should take up tuba. :D

Dupe

[Big Troubles]

well, now im not sorry.

[Big Troubles]

solve it with a poll. no not "pole" pElvis, settle down...

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
well, now im not sorry.


Dupe...meaning I posted it twice.

[Big Troubles]

I know....lol

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
No. They were successful because they were loyal to their listeners.

Not a chance of it being a hoax.

I find it hard NOT to hear Edward in the solo. Weird that others can't hear him.:confused:

I don't hear an ounce of Ed in that solo. Even when Ed's sound turned to processed, it was still different than this. But the alternate picking passages are totally off from Ed's. On the "Twister" soundtrack, Ed did a similar track to this, but the whole picking technique thing is way off from Ed's... Unless he overhauled his style completely and I didn't notice... Maybe this solo is Brian Young...

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Not Ed. I have studied Ed's style inside and out for almost 30 fuckin' years, and that ain't him.

What, are you a prof at UCLA teaching "EVH101 - How to recognize his signature style. " ?:D

[ELVIS]

No fucking way, dude...

It's from 1985, FOR FUCKING SURE!

[degüello]

No time to read the whole thread, but the clip is definitely not Eddie.

Sounds more like a run-of-the-mill '80s shredder. The whole clip is filled with licks that are extremely un-Eddie-like, and are much more characteristic of post-Yngwie imitators (for example the tightly picked descending minor arpeggio followed by the ascending diminished arpeggio- totally un-EVH).

All the "classical" type runs have such a square approach and feel to them, sticking to specific scales, using very definite repeated picking patterns, very square and worked-out, completely unlike Eddie's kamikaze ethic.

It's not Eddie.

[Romeo Delight]

This thread has more opinions than the JFK story.

When is Oliver Stone going to weigh in?

It is Ed and I'm not saying it again.

;)

[rustoffa]

This is turning into effects board wankery.

Not a message board, the actual 4x8 thing Peter Frampton stomps on.

Oh shit.....

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
This thread has more opinions than the JFK story.

When is Oliver Stone going to weigh in?

It is Ed and I'm not saying it again.

;)

I believe we should call Geraldo and do a live rooting through the vaults of 5150 to see if we can find the source tape...

[jharp84]

The wild life soundtrack music sounded just like ed circa 1984! That should be released as it was awesome jams, better to hear just ed on guitar and drums than with hagar f-ing up the music!

[thome]

From a non - Musical background except years of listening with
my ear in the speakers, i would say Ed, is capable of this great
display of classical Mozart(sp), introspective explanation of
Eruption as a symphonic masterpiece it is as easily him as
well as anyone else.(not just any yaywho,fo-sho)

He did name his kid Wolfgang so odds are Ed warms up with
classical expressions of his guitar music.

Anyway, i would like to hear Lots of rock guitar tunes turned out this way.That was cool wish it was longer.Thanks...

I could probably go to the Juliard school and wait for the phd guitarist
to -quiz out- on thier thesis live in front of the the Board and hear
lots of this type of -take-.

[pmwc1159]

Originally posted by thome
He did name his kid Wolfgang so odds are Ed warms up with
classical expressions of his guitar music.


Actually, EVH is known for warming up with just playing scales--something he was taken to task for, since in the same Guitar Player interview, he said with regard to his playing "Fuck the rules," but warms up in the traditional manner.

BTW, I liked that solo that DavidFlamma posted--but still don't think it's Eddie!

[pmwc1159]

Originally posted by thome
He did name his kid Wolfgang so odds are Ed warms up with
classical expressions of his guitar music.


Actually, EVH is known for warming up with just playing scales--
something he was taken to task for, since in the same Guitar
Player interview, he said with regard to his playing "Fuck the
rules," but warms up in the traditional manner.

BTW, I liked that solo that DavidFlamma posted--but still
don't think it's Eddie!

[ThrillsNSpills]

Originally posted by pmwc1159

BTW, I liked that solo that DavidFlamma posted--but still
don't think it's Eddie!

Hell Yeah. . .
a smokin thread regardless.
look how it got everybody buzzin.
Thanks for posting it Flamma.

[Romeo Delight]

I tried converting the file I posted to a wav file and it seems Microsoft has been able to install some spyware in one of their updates requiring you to purchase a plug-in or some shit to convert the WM audio file to a wav.

Here is link to same clip, but a wav file

http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=54397

[dvogel1570]

This is not Ed. Not saying it isn't good, or that he couldn't, but...

This is a guy who grew up listening to Ed (e.g., Michael Angelo Bateo), but not Ed.

My reasons...
1) I have never heard/seen Ed play the harmonic minor style exhibited here. In all the live performances you would have heard him play it somewhere (especially the US Festival in 83 when Malmsteen/Rhodes were very popular for playing the "classical" stuff). His extended solos through Van Hagar were compilations of eruption, mean street, cathedral, spanish fly, etc. He has a love for Pagannini... it would have come out.
2) Not even close to his sound. This is a sound very popular in the mid- '80s (of course following Ed's lead). This isn't an MXR Distortion+. Probably a Boss DS-1. A lot of reverb (like everyone at that time), not Ed's style of echo.
3) this is all picked. there is no two-handed stuff here. Ed was showcasing his two-handed stuff all the way through 1984. If this was legite, there would be some of it on here.
4) not his vibrato (whammy bar) style.
5) Ed did do the arppegiated stuff displayed here (and never did).

Again this style was popularized in the early/mid 80's following Rhodes and Malmsteen. It's a nice solo. Ed can probably play this stuff... but it ain't him.

[GAR]

Originally posted by 1971Quarter
It's actually Randy Rhoads.

That's why Eddie downed his plane

That's what I've been saying for years~!!

[eddie007]

Like I said a while back .....

It's Nuno and Yngwies Kid.


..........or Carlos Cavazo....you know the guy from that Bang Your Head Band in the 80's - Quiet Riot.


...This should be the alternative version to the Battle Axe Solo.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by dvogel1570
3) this is all picked. there is no two-handed stuff here. Ed was showcasing his two-handed stuff all the way through 1984. If this was legite, there would be some of it on here.



You are forgetting that Ed was critisized for relying on his two-handed stuff and would probably want to demonstrate his versatility.

Especially on something such as this - a gift to friends and loyal fans.

He had already made a version with his signature technique, why again?

[Diamondjimi]

Not EVH , PERIOD !

An EVH "inspired' solo indeed. But not EVH .
These dj's who played this . no doubt received the tape anonymously.

Key word to Ed's playing is his phrasing. absolutely unmistakable .
It's a players fingerprint /sonic DNA . (so to speak)

Sorry bro , it ain't him ...

But thanks for posting it . Was entertaining none the less .

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by diamondjimi
These dj's who played this . no doubt received the tape anonymously.




No. They received it from Ed.

I am efforting on confirmation, although I have no doubt

[Diamondjimi]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
No. They received it from Ed.

I am efforting on confirmation, although I have no doubt


You seem very convinced.

Most dj's are bullshit artists , especially if they're deserate for ratings. 99% of these guys are'nt even musicians. They could'nt tell the difference from a EVH solo and a Sammy Hagar solo.

Only short of hearing Ed s voice saying "yes that's an outtake , and these guys just played it " would I believe it's him .

This thread should've had a poll .......... :cool:

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by FORD
KISW was the first radio station outside of southern California to play Van Halen, and the band had a great relationship with the on air staff of the time, most of whom are still on the air, but they're all at KZOK now. Except for Bo Roberts. Not sure where he ended up, actually.....

Anyway, it's possible that such a transaction took place, but that doesn't sound like Eddie to me, and it doesn't sound remotely like "Eruption"


This radio station had the boys in their studio more than once, and the DJs were close to Ed.

I have a 45 minute party on tape...that is the word for it - when the boys tore it up in the KISW studios in 1979

If they say that Ed gave them a tape, that is what happened.

[FORD]

Originally posted by GAR
That's what I've been saying for years~!!

Sharon downed the plane. Probably because there were rumors that Randy was going back to Quiet Riot.

[dvogel1570]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
You are forgetting that Ed was critisized for relying on his two-handed stuff and would probably want to demonstrate his versatility.

Especially on something such as this - a gift to friends and loyal fans.

He had already made a version with his signature technique, why again?


You said it was another version of Eruption from that time period. How could he be criticized for too-much two-handed stuff when virtually no one knew about it yet and were totally freaked about the sound and how he might have done it when they first heard it on the album?

Do you honestly think if he wanted to demonstrate his versatility, that it wouldn't have come out anywhere else, at any other time?

You place a lot of faith in radio hosts (friends of EVH or not). These dudes make careers of "hyping" bullshit to gain ratings.

You also place a lot of faith that it must be EVH because of the synthesizer overdub. Again a popular device in the mid-80's. Same with the pinch harmonics.

This has no real similarity to EVH. Even when he did the song "Bluesbreaker" with May, "Beat It" with Jackson, the work with Crystal Gayle... you could still tell it was him.

Appreciate your enthusiasm. It ain't him.

[eddie007]

During that whole 1984-85 era, Eddie was really into Allan Holdsworth ( did you so called fans forget this very important point !!!! )


Listen to the solos on Drop dead legs,house of pain, etc,

Alot of legato playing - none of this stuff.

I have A TRUE SOLO from 5150 that would part everyones hair!

Its a long story how I have it.

but, it is with alex and bass that sounds like michael ( don't truly know if it is or not)

It is on a CD, And I am computer stupid.

How do I get this to mp3 ??????????????

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by FORD
Sharon downed the plane. Probably because there were rumors that Randy was going back to Quiet Riot.

Wait...as this is FORD making this hypothesis (that involves downed planes, no less), one must wonder if he means not Sharon Osbourne, but rather Ariel Sharon...

[FORD]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Wait...as this is FORD making this hypothesis (that involves downed planes, no less), one must wonder if he means not Sharon Osbourne, but rather Ariel Sharon...

Nah, he was too busy planning to slaughter civilians in Sabra & Shatilla at that time.

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by FORD
Nah, he was too busy planning to slaughter civilians in Sabra & Shatilla at that time.

Oh, I think Mrs. Osbourne was behind that too...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by eddie007

It is on a CD, And I am computer stupid.

Apparently...

How do I get this to mp3 ??????????????

Google MP3 conversion...

If that don't help, maybe some fag at redcocksucker.com will take the time to explain it to you...






And the solo is Edward Van FUCKING Halen...


:elvis:

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by eddie007
I have A TRUE SOLO from 5150 that would part everyones hair!

Its a long story how I have it.

but, it is with alex and bass that sounds like michael ( don't truly know if it is or not)

It is on a CD, And I am computer stupid.

How do I get this to mp3 ??????????????

go here:

http://www.yourfilelink.com/

click on browse...it will show your computer...click on file from cd or from hard drive.

After it is uploaded to site, they will give you a link to post here so we can download it

You don't have to convert it to mp3

[FORD]

Eddie worked with Crystal Gayle?? :confused:

Did it make his brown eyes blue?

[dvogel1570]

Actually, I think it made her brown eye blue.

[eddie007]

Thanks for the help !!


I'll post the solo early next week.


....it has some crazy echo stuff going on.


similar to Take your Whiskey Home.

[Romeo Delight]

I did find out today that Beau (not Bo) Roberts is in fact doing voice-overs for the KZOK Seattle classic rock station.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by FORD
Eddie worked with Crystal Gayle?? :confused:

Did it make his brown eyes blue?
:D

I wonder if he tripped over her hair?

:guzzle: :hula: :sex:

[1971Quarter]

I can't believe all of you idiots think this is Eddie. Do you know anything?

Anyone with a brain knows it was RALPH MACCHIO

Can we end this now finally?

[Romeo Delight]

Where did you get this Rust?

[Robert Reed]

I blew in her brown eye, now she isn't feeling so good.

[Plexi Head]

Originally posted by FORD
Eddie worked with Crystal Gayle?? :confused:

Did it make his brown eyes blue?

It was Nicolette Larson not Crystal Gayle.

Ted Templeman produced this album and Eddie is credited on the album with just a question mark next to guitar.

Guitar - ?

[dvogel1570]

appologies. thanks for the clarification.

[LookN4AMootBeat]

No way is that Eddie.
That's either malmsteen or that other guy who was a virtuoso classical pianist turned 80's metal guitar freak, I forget his name, but this sounds just like him. OR it sounds like malmsteen.

But no way is that Eddie. No, no, I don't think so.
While it's true none of it is really played at speeds that he couldn't play and the structure of the changes aren't really in the vein of a classical/metal style solo but more improvisational and smacking of a hint of jazz which would've been Eddie's style if he tried something like this.......

I"m almost tempted to say maybe but I gotta say no.

[Dave's PA Rental]

what the fuck do you know?

[LookN4AMootBeat]

Ha! You're right, what the fuck do I know....:p

Only just about every stinkin lick he ever played before Sammy...after that he lost my respect so who gives a fuck ?

[LookN4AMootBeat]

btw I like van halen more than you, cracka!

[Dave's PA Rental]

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
btw I like van halen more than you

...that hurts...

[LookN4AMootBeat]

*discerningly discards several good zingers in favor of....*


.....oh..

[Dave's PA Rental]

phew! Thanks for not "Zing"ing me!

[LookN4AMootBeat]

oh well you know now that i'm a benevolent warrior poet from time to time

[LookN4AMootBeat]

ok well i gotta get the hell outta here and go play hockey...

Have a skankin good night sunshine!

[Dave's PA Rental]

wear your mouthguard...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
No way is that Eddie.
That's either malmsteen or that other guy who was a virtuoso classical pianist turned 80's metal guitar freak, I forget his name, but this sounds just like him. OR it sounds like malmsteen.



You're more brain dead than the rest of these idiots if you think that sounds like Yngwie...:rolleyes:

It's not Tony McAlpine either...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
Ha! You're right, what the fuck do I know....:p

Only just about every stinkin lick he ever played before Sammy...after that he lost my respect so who gives a fuck ?

"Do you troll the way to San Jose?"

[LookN4AMootBeat]

wouldn't be the first time i've been called braindead....
so ok i'll say it's whoever you think it is :D

btw PA......good zinger!

(punk!)

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
"Do you troll the way to San Jose?"

Nope. But there's an Island somewhere down the Road, if you know what I mean.

[EDDIEVRULZ]

the scales are wrong, the phrasing is wrong, and the tone is wrong to be evh. besides, ed's tapping, back then anyway, was way more clean and fluent. sounds like a neo-classical piece. ill agree with the time frame of it being recorded in 1984, but just not by evh. thats just my opinion. it is cool though!

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by ELVIS
You're more brain dead than the rest of these idiots if you think that sounds like Yngwie...:rolleyes:

It's not Tony McAlpine either...

I've just listened to this clip again, and there's no way this is Ed, Yngwie, or Tony... The phrasing, the tone, the lines that are used are definately none of the above... I've been playing Ed's licks since 1978, and Ed doesn't even KNOW the licks used on this clip. Yngwie and Tony are WAY too clean for this too... Yngwie would've just played a million miles an hour, and Tony would've done sweep arpeggios left and right... I still say it's Either Carl Verheyven, or someone who thinks he's him... maybe the radio station announced it as Ed, but I smell a hoax.

[throatrocket]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
I've just listened to this clip again, and there's no way this is Ed, Yngwie, or Tony... The phrasing, the tone, the lines that are used are definately none of the above... I've been playing Ed's licks since 1978, and Ed doesn't even KNOW the licks used on this clip. Yngwie and Tony are WAY too clean for this too... Yngwie would've just played a million miles an hour, and Tony would've done sweep arpeggios left and right... I still say it's Either Carl Verheyven, or someone who thinks he's him... maybe the radio station announced it as Ed, but I smell a hoax.
it sounds like Ed. Ed Johnson my plumber!