Republicans And FCC On "Decency" Rampage

[blueturk]

Remember the days of TV when somebody's whole family could get murdered or something, and all the victim could call the killers was "creep" or "dirtbag" or some other lame shit?? Those crazy days are coming back! And forget about SEX....

Channels Fined In Drive To Purge Swearing And Sex

US BROADCASTERS have been hit by record-breaking fines of almost $4 million (£2.5 million) by a federal TV standards watchdog which decrees that even casual use of the “s-word” or pixelated shots of a woman’s breasts “disturb the peace and quiet of the home”.



Three years of rulings from the Federal Communications Commission, published in full this week, have alarmed the broadcasters which face competition from largely unregulated cable channels. They may now have to scrap live broadcasts, or return to 1970s-style censorship of scripts.

For a country which proudly defends its constitutional right to free speech, including the voracious appetite of many Americans for pornography, the watchdog’s decisions might appear surprising.

But the commission is now chaired by Kevin Martin, a Republican appointed by President Bush to crack down on the indecency that so shocks conservative sensibilities. “The number of complaints received by the commission has risen year after year,” Mr Martin said. “I share the concerns of the public — and of parents, in particular.”

Between 2002 and 2005 the agency received 300,000 complaints about television shows.

The commission has ruled that any use of the “f-word”, such as that by Bono during a a Golden Globe Awards ceremony in 2004, is unacceptable. Its report also puts broadcasters on notice that the “s-word” will also be subject to fines if broadcast between 6 and 10pm.

It decreed that the Fox Television Network had violated decency standards during the 2003 Billboard Music Awards when Nicole Richie asked: “Have you ever tried to get cow shit out of a Prada purse?”

KCSM-TV in San Mateo, California, was fined $15,000 for the graphic language in Martin Scorsese’s acclaimed documentary on blues music, The Blues: Godfathers and Sons.

The commission permitted the use of the “f-word” in Tom Hanks’s film Saving Private Ryan, because deleting it “would have altered the nature of the artistic work and diminished the power, realism and immediacy of the experience for viewers”.

But this was not the case in The Blues — “the purpose of which could have been fulfilled and all viewpoints expressed without the repeated broadcast of expletives”.

One commissioner, Jonathan Adelstein, dissented. He said: “Coarse language is a part of the culture of the individuals being portrayed. [The ruling] is certain to strike fear in the hearts of news and documentary makers, and broadcasters that air them, which could chill the future expression of constitutionally protected free speech.”

The biggest fine — $3.6 million — was meted out to CBS, for an episode broadcast by dozens of its stations of the prime-time drama Without a Trace. It featured a “teen orgy” party scene that included at least three shots depicting intercourse.

The commission also upheld a $550,000 fine against CBS for the infamous “wardrobe malfunction” incident at the Super Bowl 2004 in which Janet Jackson’s clothing was ripped, revealing the singer’s breast.

More alarming for broadcasters was the $27,500 fine on WBDC for airing an episode of The Surreal Life 2 that included pixelated views of frontal nudity and a shot of a man touching a breast.

James Baughman, of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who has written a history of the commission, said: “I don’t think that the FCC would dare to do this if it didn’t feel there was strong congressional support for this kind of action.”

BROADCAST FINES

The Surreal Life: 2 — Pool Party
WBDC (The WB Network)

Complaint: Episode features a pool party hosted by porn star Ron Jeremy that “contains approximately 20 pixelated images of nude adults and focuses almost entirely on men and women disrobing, ogling, fondling, kissing and sexually propositioning one another during a pool party”. $27,000 fine

The Simpsons — Hunka Hunka Burns In Love
(Fox Television Network)

Complaint: The episode features Mr Burns and Smithers in a strip club, where female cartoon characters wear underwear and dance around poles. No penalty



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2090442,00.html

[BITEYOASS]

FCC stands for

Fuckin
Cocksucking
Cunts

Here's some smilies for that agency! :asshole: :heyfu: :mad2: :upyours:

[vheddyrmv8]

Sometimes I wonder if I'm still living in America...

[Satan]

I realize that, as the Devil, anything I have to say on the subject of morality will be taken with more grains of salt than Lot's wife, but here goes?

The FCC needs to get the FUCK over themselves and realize that normal people use words in normal everyday conversation that don't mean shit in world impact and they really need to get over their goddamned selves.

or in other words...

SUCK MY POINTY TAILED ASS, YOU GODDAMNED SHITHEAD FUCKING SONS OF BITCHES!!

[Cathedral]

On network stations they need to follow the rules.
On cable and channels you pay axtra for, the choice of content is controlled by the subscriber.

I have no problem with the FCC finally being forced to do their jobs.
An "Anything Goes" mentality is bad for society and creates social problems we should be mature enough to avoid.

This is the problem with liberal lifestyles...

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Cathedral
On network stations they need to follow the rules.
On cable and channels you pay axtra for, the choice of content is controlled by the subscriber.

I have no problem with the FCC finally being forced to do their jobs.
An "Anything Goes" mentality is bad for society and creates social problems we should be mature enough to avoid.

This is the problem with liberal lifestyles...

Exactly what social problems can be attributed directly to broadcast television content (besides Clay Aiken)? And what exactly is a "liberal lifestyle"?

[Satan]

FCC censorship is unneccessary. Every TV show carries a rating and every TV manufactured in the last 10 years has the technological ability to block shows on the basis of their ratings, or to lock out an entire channel.

I'm not saying that the page of a typical TV show script needs to read like the lyric sheet of an NWA album, but just keep it realistic.

If a guy on some nighttime soap opera comes home and finds his wife in bed fucking the gardner, he's not really going to say "Oh shoot!"

He's going to say, "Get out of my house you fucking bastard and take the whore with you!"

That is if the dialogue were realistic. Not gratiutitous, just within the context of the story.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by blueturk
Exactly what social problems can be attributed directly to broadcast television content (besides Clay Aiken)? And what exactly is a "liberal lifestyle"?

A liberal lifestyle is just exactly what it says, a lifestyle that is liberal.
The liberal mindset is that any and all things are acceptable, which they aren't according to the scripture.

As for programming on broadcast television, there is very little thought given to what influences what is shown will have on the youth in this country. It's been irresponsible for many many years, actually.

In a nutshell it isn't so much the presence of evil, it is the absence of God in our culture that is the problem.
And the further we get from our founding principles and away from God's principles the further down our society falls into wickedness and degredation.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Cathedral
A liberal lifestyle is just exactly what it says, a lifestyle that is liberal.
The liberal mindset is that any and all things are acceptable, which they aren't according to the scripture.

As for programming on broadcast television, there is very little thought given to what influences what is shown will have on the youth in this country. It's been irresponsible for many many years, actually.

In a nutshell it isn't so much the presence of evil, it is the absence of God in our culture that is the problem.
And the further we get from our founding principles and away from God's principles the further down our society falls into wickedness and degredation.

I won't ask you why you are a (long-time) member of a site devoted to a guy who obviously enjoys the pleasures of the flesh, and has been known to throw out some choice words from time to time. I'll just give you the definitions of "liberal". Somehow I'm missing the part about wickedness and degradation....


broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions"
having political or social views favoring reform and progress
tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
big: given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and openhanded grandfather"
a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
free: not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem

[Warham]

Somebody here asking what a secular liberal lifestyle is?

How old are you people anyway?

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Satan
FCC censorship is unneccessary. Every TV show carries a rating and every TV manufactured in the last 10 years has the technological ability to block shows on the basis of their ratings, or to lock out an entire channel.

I'm not saying that the page of a typical TV show script needs to read like the lyric sheet of an NWA album, but just keep it realistic.

If a guy on some nighttime soap opera comes home and finds his wife in bed fucking the gardner, he's not really going to say "Oh shoot!"

He's going to say, "Get out of my house you fucking bastard and take the whore with you!"

That is if the dialogue were realistic. Not gratiutitous, just within the context of the story.

Oh, so technology took the place of common decency?
Whatever, man, I guarentee that if a day comes where you have a child, that frame of mind will change a little bit....you're a decent guy, so i'm safe in assuming your moral values will indeed change, maybe just a little, but they will somehow.

It's like a protection kind of thing that just kicks in.

I don't cuss around my kids and i don't stand for strangers doing it around them either.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by blueturk
I won't ask you why you are a (long-time) member of a site devoted to a guy who obviously enjoys the pleasures of the flesh, and has been known to throw out some choice words from time to time. I'll just give you the definitions of "liberal". Somehow I'm missing the part about wickedness and degradation....


broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions"
having political or social views favoring reform and progress
tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
big: given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and openhanded grandfather"
a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
free: not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem

Damn, that little definition is borderline saying "You're a commie bastard!", lol.

The wickedness part is what has become of society due to liberal thinkers. and most of the changes in society took strong hold in the 8 years Clinton was the Prez.
Dude, the world i was born into and the world we currently reside in are two completely different places.

If you are a bible reader, then you could or should be able to see how we have become more like Sodam and Gomorrah...and you would or should know what happened to that place and why.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Damn, that little definition is borderline saying "You're a commie bastard!", lol.

The wickedness part is what has become of society due to liberal thinkers. and most of the changes in society took strong hold in the 8 years Clinton was the Prez.
Dude, the world i was born into and the world we currently reside in are two completely different places.

If you are a bible reader, then you could or should be able to see how we have become more like Sodam and Gomorrah...and you would or should know what happened to that place and why.

What were these changes in society that took place during Clinton's term? Do you really think that Dubya is a true Christian that will bring moral values to our Godless country? You're smarter than that, aren't you?

[ODShowtime]

The FCC is waste of time. All the spectrum is allocated, so now fuck off.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by blueturk
What were these changes in society that took place during Clinton's term? Do you really think that Dubya is a true Christian that will bring moral values to our Godless country? You're smarter than that, aren't you?

Just a definate decline in moral standards across the nation during his two terms.

Yes i do believe Bush is a christian, but i don't think anyone who calls themselves christians are of God.
His actions don't tell me he is of God, and that is what we have to determine who is and who isn't a true child of God.
I judge him by his works, and they are empty of the spirit, so he is exactly what he says he is...but he's missing the word "False" in front of the word Christian.

I don't consider myself a Christian, I am a sinner, and i believe that the whole concept of "Christianity" is of the Devil.
I believe that the bible is the word of God, it is to be taken literally.
All the churches and their demoninations are created from the traditions of man, and that is a perversion of God's Word.

God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, so anything that has been added or altered in the Word by man is an abomination.

[twonabomber]

Originally posted by Cathedral
On network stations they need to follow the rules.
On cable and channels you pay axtra for, the choice of content is controlled by the subscriber.



i'm not an unreasonable person. i can understand people who don't want their kids to hear certain words or see tits and ass.

i think it's funny that those people think they can control EVERYTHING their kids see and hear, because once little Johnny goes off to school, chances are VERY good that someone else's kid is gonna drop an f-bomb, or steal a Playboy and bring it in...or their kid "who knows better and wouldn't do that" is going to go to his friend's house and watch R-rated movies, or (gasp!) worse, play Grand Theft Auto...

but when it comes to regulating pay services, i say fuck off. you are under no obligation to buy it, and if you do buy it, take the ten minutes or hour or whatever it is and learn to use the parental controls that are provided, and don't tell me what i can and can't watch.

it's not MY job to keep YOUR kid from watching or listening to shit you don't want him to see or hear. like i said, i'm not unreasonable...i'm not driving around with porn playing on my in-vehicle monitors, and i'm not pointing the big-screen out the front window and broadcasting...so keep a leash on your kid, and lemme watch what i want.

(disclaimer - "your" is not directed at anyone in this thread)

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by twonabomber
i'm not an unreasonable person. i can understand people who don't want their kids to hear certain words or see tits and ass.

i think it's funny that those people think they can control EVERYTHING their kids see and hear, because once little Johnny goes off to school, chances are VERY good that someone else's kid is gonna drop an f-bomb, or steal a Playboy and bring it in...or their kid "who knows better and wouldn't do that" is going to go to his friend's house and watch R-rated movies, or (gasp!) worse, play Grand Theft Auto...

but when it comes to regulating pay services, i say fuck off. you are under no obligation to buy it, and if you do buy it, take the ten minutes or hour or whatever it is and learn to use the parental controls that are provided, and don't tell me what i can and can't watch.

it's not MY job to keep YOUR kid from watching or listening to shit you don't want him to see or hear. like i said, i'm not unreasonable...i'm not driving around with porn playing on my in-vehicle monitors, and i'm not pointing the big-screen out the front window and broadcasting...so keep a leash on your kid, and lemme watch what i want.

(disclaimer - "your" is not directed at anyone in this thread)

LMMFAO, agreed....

Pay channels are one thing, the freebies are something else completely.
I was that kid who used to watch r rated stuff at a friends house.
Even smoked my first joint with his mother.

I know how the game goes, but it doesn't mean i'm going to ease up on what i feel is proper for my kids.

Perhaps if i had boys instead of girls i may think differently.
But those babies will be coming to my house should they go sleeping around, so i'll do my best to see they respect relationships and their proper place in their lives.

I do know how my parental controls work, and i use them.

Hell, you even have to watch the Disney Channel from time to time these days.

[twonabomber]

i used the parental controls to axe all that stuff from my channel list. :D

shopping, kids, and the 700 Club were the first to get the boot...

i was the kid whose mom let him watch R-rated movies. my mom managed movie theaters, and we'd go on Friday or Saturday night and watch a couple movies. i'd say from third grade until a couple years after i graduated, i probably paid to see ten movies.

i really don't remember anyone having to tell me that swearing and fucking and shooting people was wrong...i think i understood that. of course in the mid-70's movies were nowhere like they are now...my mom was cool about it. she knew what we could handle. i mean, i didn't go to the drive in when they had "Skinimax" type flicks (remember H.O.T.S.? lol) but i know a lot of jokes and references went over my head.

[Cathedral]

I saw the Exorcist and the Texas Chainsaw messacre when i was 10...that screwed me up for life, and that's the truth.

All my fun was at someone else's house, then i'd get home and my drunk mother would give me shit about doing drugs and stealing her booze, lol.

I hadn't done any drugs OR stolen any of her booze at that point though.

I should thank her for the idea someday. :)

[twonabomber]

i didn't make it through the Exorcist. i think i was in the fourth grade...and my little brother sat there and fuckin' laughed at it. same thing with Alien, thing came outta the guy's stomach, and i was GONE. :D probably didn't see Chainsaw Massacre and Day/Dawn of the Dead until we got cable...i liked cop movies, the Pink Panthers, Cheech and Chong...comedies with T&A...

if i stole alcohol, i was busy giving it to girls, trying to get laid. my uncle always had weed and pills around but i wasn't interested in that, i'd always raid his porn collection.

[FORD]

As long as there are remote controls, V-chips, and TV ratings, there's no excuse for government censorship. If you don't like a program, change the channel. If you don't want your kid watching it, block the channel.

Censoring the performance of a 25 year old Rolling Stones song at the Super Bowl was the absolute height of puritanical fucking hypocrisy.

Are the radio stations supposed to censor "Start Me Up" now as well, or not play it at all?

Yeah, we can slaughter 100,000 Iraqi civilians, half of them being children, but God forbid that the words "YOU MAKE A DEAD MAN CUM" are heard on live television.

Where the fuck are the priorities in this world anymore? :(

[twonabomber]

the PD of the local classic rock station had recorded a PSA/op-ed piece after Nipplegate...he questioned why it was OK to play Pink Floyd's "Money" for 25 years, but now you can't. he refused to edit the songs, and they don't spin those any more.

i thought over time we were supposed to go forward, not backward.

[FORD]

Originally posted by twonabomber
the PD of the local classic rock station had recorded a PSA/op-ed piece after Nipplegate...he questioned why it was OK to play Pink Floyd's "Money" for 25 years, but now you can't. he refused to edit the songs, and they don't spin those any more.

i thought over time we were supposed to go forward, not backward.

Exactly.... how many songs are going to be pulled off of classic rock radio because of this puritanical horseshit?

I guess we can assume Nazareth's "Hair of the Dog" will be the next one gone. You can't be messin with a son of a bitch on BCE radio :rolleyes:

[twonabomber]

WNCX didn't go as far as the rumored Clear Channel list did. they still play Maggot Brain at midnight on Saturday.

they do an all-request lunch hour weekdays. i called once and asked the guy to play Star, Star, and he got a good laugh out of it.

[FORD]

Originally posted by twonabomber
WNCX didn't go as far as the rumored Clear Channel list did. they still play Maggot Brain at midnight on Saturday.

they do an all-request lunch hour weekdays. i called once and asked the guy to play Star, Star, and he got a good laugh out of it.

Now here's the question.... would they still play "Take A Walk On The Wild Side" by Lou Reed?

That song doesn't have any blatant profanities in it that I can recall, yet the subject matter is "R" rated at best.

So if the "standard" of the puritanical FCC is George Carlins Seven Dirty Words, then the following lyrics are perfectly acceptable:

But she never lost her head
even when she was giving head

Never mind that the subject of the song was a drag queen, for that matter.

Technically, there's no profanity there. But the subject matter is definitely more "adult" than the use of the word "bullshit" in the lyrics of "Money".

[twonabomber]

good question...

other than Dave, i don't listen to 'NCX much any more, not since i bought Sirius.

they still play "Lola," OK not as graphic in the lyrics, but they play it.

[FORD]

I remember singing Lola when I was a kid. I sure as Hell didn't know what the song was about. Probably thought it was some Sesame Street thing because they spelled out the words "c-o-l-a" and "L-o-l-a"

[blueturk]

You might as well say good bye to Seinfeld reruns. Elaine's nipple? The Contest? The Swirl? No way that shit will make it....

[Nickdfresh]

Since when is it the FCC's purview to censor again? I mean, they were created to regulate frequencies... Weren't they?

BTW, I wonder if I'm on a ROTH board sometimes...

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Warham
Somebody here asking what a secular liberal lifestyle is?

How old are you people anyway?

Why don't YOU tell me, then? If I watch shows with cursing and/or nudity, is that part of a "liberal lifestyle"? And if so, does that mean that the sheep who enjoy such programming are living a "liberal lifestyle"? The whole term just seems too broad.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Cathedral
On network stations they need to follow the rules.
On cable and channels you pay axtra for, the choice of content is controlled by the subscriber.

I have no problem with the FCC finally being forced to do their jobs.
An "Anything Goes" mentality is bad for society and creates social problems we should be mature enough to avoid.

This is the problem with liberal lifestyles... You mean kids won´t use the word "fuck" anymore!!???

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Cathedral]

The word "liberal" isn't used in the political context here, it is used in the context of being "excessive", as in use "liberally", "generously", at risk of going "overboard", etc. etc. etc.

Some things are better left to the imagination, but again, the only channels that should obey the censorship rules are those that are not part of a subscription service.

I don't see the problem here, nobody is attacking the pay channels, just the free network channels that don't require cable or satellites to view.
But see, it's either all or nothing with some people.

Why is it so important that tv be full of trash?
Why is it so damned important for people to have to have this crap out in the open when children share our society along with us?

I mean damn, driving down the highway you have this huge billboard with Barney on it, and then 10 feet from that you have another with two bare assed radio personalitites advertising a morning show....It doesn't make sense that we then turn around and ask why our kids are so fucked up, i mean really, some adults just refuse to take responsibility for polluting childrens minds with shit they aren't emotionally ready to experience.
It's television, radio, billboards, magazines....nothing is sacred anymore.

I wouldn't mind if local tv went back to only showing Ozzie and Harriet for crying out loud.
If you want garbage in the privacy of your own home, then buy the shit, but don't force it down the throats of those who choose NOT to buy it.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Cathedral


I mean damn, driving down the highway you have this huge billboard with Barney on it, and then 10 feet from that you have another with two bare assed radio personalitites advertising a morning show....It doesn't make sense that we then turn around and ask why our kids are so fucked up


I agree.....

That damned purple lizard is definitely warping children's minds. He's like the "Sammy Hagar" of kids morning television.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by FORD
I agree.....

That damned purple lizard is definitely warping children's minds. He's like the "Sammy Hagar" of kids morning television.


That's actually the truth.
I'd like to open fire on that Barney billboard when i drive past the sum bitch.

The voice is enough to make me go postal, that and that damned Telletubbies shit my little one used to watch.
I'm sooooooooooo glad she outgrew that stupid show.

[FORD]

I haven't kept up with kids TV for obvious reasons, but I get the impression that most of it is crap.

Guess I was lucky enough to be a little kid when Sesame Street was cutting edge television and the Electric Company picked up where they left off. Sesame Street has their "Hagar" too.......

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/elmo.jpg

....but I think their original leader, Kermit Lee Frog still puts in the occasional appearance.

[Cathedral]

Yeah, he does, but all the voices are different now and that just killed the nostalgia aspect for me.

It has gotten so dumbed down it doesn't compare to what it used to be.

Not to mention the damned Political Correctness bullshit.

[Warham]

I used to watch Captain Kangaroo, the great Bob Keeshan. :)

[FORD]

Yeah, they skipped the Hagar phase and went straight to Cherone with that one when Keeshan retired. I think the "New Captain Kangaroo" lasted about as long as "The New Monkees"

[jhale667]

The FCC is useless...it's called an 'OFF' button, people. From what I understand, radios & TVs are equipped with them nowdays...:rolleyes: I don't need YOU to tell ME what I should or shouldn't be able to watch or hear...this IS still America, right? I love how people try to rationalize their puritanical bullshit with "We have to protect the children..."---Please.

[Guitar Shark]

The best part of this story is that it's totally inconsistent with the "anti-big-government" stance of the republicans.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
The best part of this story is that it's totally inconsistent with the "anti-big-government" stance of the republicans.

Isn't everything the BCE does inconsistent with the "anti-big-government" stance of the republicans?

[Guitar Shark]

Where can I find information about this "BCE", Ford?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Where can I find information about this "BCE", Ford?

Just some simple Google searches should be enough.....

Try "Bush Hitler"

Or "Bush Bin Laden"

Or "Bush JFK"

Or "Bush Heroin"

Or "Bush Cocaine"

Or "Bush Bay of Pigs"

for a few examples....

[Guitar Shark]

I find it amusing that you answered my question.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
I find it amusing that you answered my question.

Really?
I fully expected it... :)