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  • Roy Munson
    Veteran
    • Feb 2004
    • 1522

    Hussein docs discuss bin Laden, WMD's, Taliban


    March 16, 2006 — Following are the ABC News Investigative Unit's summaries of four of the nine Iraqi documents from Saddam Hussein's government, which were released by the U.S. government Wednesday.


    The documents discuss Osama bin Laden, weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda and more.

    The full documents can be found on the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office Web site: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm.

    Note: Document titles were added by ABC News.


    "Osama bin Laden and the Taliban"
    Document dated Sept. 15, 2001

    An Iraqi intelligence service document saying that their Afghani informant, who's only identified by a number, told them that the Afghani Consul Ahmed Dahastani claimed the following in front of him:


    That OBL and the Taliban are in contact with Iraq and that a group of Taliban and bin Laden group members visited Iraq.
    That the U.S. has proof the Iraqi government and "bin Laden's group" agreed to cooperate to attack targets inside America.
    That in case the Taliban and bin Laden's group turn out to be involved in "these destructive operations," the U.S. may strike Iraq and Afghanistan.
    That the Afghani consul heard about the issue of Iraq's relationship with "bin Laden's group" while he was in Iran.

    At the end, the writer recommends informing "the committee of intentions" about the above-mentioned items. The signature on the document is unclear.

    (Editor's Note: The controversial claim that Osama bin Laden was cooperating with Saddam Hussein is an ongoing matter of intense debate. While the assertions contained in this document clearly support the claim, the sourcing is questionable — i.e. an unnamed Afghan "informant" reporting on a conversation with another Afghan "consul." The date of the document — four days after 9/11 — is worth noting but without further corroboration, this document is of limited evidentiary value.)


    "Election Campaign Laws in France"
    Documents dated July-August 1999

    Correspondence regarding election campaigns in France. This includes a document from the Iraqi intelligence service classified as "secret," ordering the translation of important parts of a 1997 report about campaign financing laws in France. It also includes a document from the foreign minister's office indicating the report was attached. The attached translated report included very detailed information about all the regulations regarding financing of election campaigns in France. Translation was done by someone called "Salam Abdul Karim Mohammed."

    (Editor's Note: This is an intriguing document which suggests Saddam Hussein's regime had a strong interest in the mechanics and legalities of financial contributions to French politicians. Several former French politicians are implicated in receiving oil vouchers from Iraq under the U.N. Oil for Food program.)

    "Hiding Docs from the U.N. Team"
    Document dated March 23, 1997

    A letter from the Iraqi intelligence service to directors and managers advising them to follow certain procedures in case of a search by the U.N. team, including:


    Removing correspondence with the atomic energy and military industry departments concerning the prohibited weapons (proposals, research, studies, catalogs, etc.).
    Removing prohibited materials and equipment, including documents and catalogs and making sure to clear labs and storages of any traces of chemical or biological materials that were previously used or stored.
    Doing so through a committee which will decide whether to destroy the documents. Removing files from computers.

    The letter also advises them on how they should answer questions by U.N. team members. It says the intelligence service should be informed within one week about the progress made in discarding the documents.

    (Editor's Note: This document is consistent with the Report of the Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence, which described a pattern of deception and concealment on the part of Saddam Hussein's government towards the U.N. inspectors in the mid to late 90's. Hussein halted all cooperation with those inspectors and expelled them in October 1998.)


    "Al Qaeda Presence in Iraq"
    Document dated August 2002

    A number of correspondences to check rumors that some members of al Qaeda organization have entered Iraq. Three letters say this information cannot be confirmed. The letter on page seven, however, says that information coming from "a trustworthy source" indicates that subjects who are interested in dealing with al Qaeda are in Iraq and have several passports.


    The letter seems to be coming from or going to Trebil, a town on the Iraqi-Jordanian border. Follow up on the presence of those subjects is ordered, as well as comparison of their pictures with those of Jordanian subjects living in Iraq. (This may be referring to pictures of Abu Musaab al Zarqawi and another man on pages 4-6) The letter also says tourist areas, including hotels and rented apartments, should be searched.


    (Editor's note: This document indicates that the Iraqis were aware of and interested in reports that members of al Qaeda were present in Iraq in 2002. The document does not support allegations that Iraq was colluding with al Qaeda.)

    Originally posted by ELVIS
    I guess you're right...
  • DrMaddVibe
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6659

    #2
    So much for the Bush "lies"!
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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49136

      #3
      Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
      So much for the Bush "lies"!
      i.e. an unnamed Afghan "informant" reporting on a conversation with another Afghan "consul." The date of the document — four days after 9/11 — is worth noting but without further corroboration, this document is of limited evidentiary value.)


      (Editor's note: This document indicates that the Iraqis were aware of and interested in reports that members of al Qaeda were present in Iraq in 2002. The document does not support allegations that Iraq was colluding with al Qaeda.)

      An 'informant' said pigs flew out of his ass at midnight too...

      Yeah, the gov't released a few self-serving documents that mean nothing and cannot be independently verified.


      Baaaa sheep baaaa...
      Last edited by Nickdfresh; 03-17-2006, 09:24 PM.

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58754

        #4
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • Warham
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 14589

          #5
          The government has reams and reams of documents they've seized from Iraq. This is just a needle in the proverbial haystack as far as that goes. There will be more released as the years go by.

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          • Cathedral
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6620

            #6
            LOL, man i tell ya...I just love how ignorance makes people so damn sure of something they know very little about.

            Shit, Saddam could stand up in court and confess to everything and the liberals would discount it without a moments thought.
            THAT'S the size of the boner they have for Bush.

            Seriously, are you all so 100% sure that these documents don't vindicate Bush, just a little?

            It takes us into another aspect of due process, like that whole "shadow of a doubt" thing, but still, don't let that stop the posse from racing to the lynching.

            All i can say is that it does cast a shadow on all your accusations that Bush "lied" or "fabricated" the intel.
            Hell, even some of Saddams own Generals believed he had WMD, but you discount that as well i'm reasonably sure.

            But answer the question if you can do it honestly...are you absolutely 100% sure that these documents don't vindicate Bush, even a little bit?

            Are YOU so perfect that you would have made a better judgement given what is coming out in these documents?

            All i can say to you if you answer NO to both is that hindsight is always 20/20.

            But know this, Justice is never found within a closed mind, and that's a fact my friends. you need to open it up a little, and bury the hatred that drives you, it's pure vindictive evil.

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            • Warham
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Mar 2004
              • 14589

              #7
              No, to a liberal, any documents the government releases are 'fabricated', Cat.

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58754

                #8
                Originally posted by Cathedral

                Hell, even some of Saddams own Generals believed he had WMD, but you discount that as well i'm reasonably sure.


                Saddam thought some of his generals were out to kill him, and that's always possible that they were. Therefore it would be in Saddam's own best interest not to let those generals know that the weapons were gone.

                But answer the question if you can do it honestly...are you absolutely 100% sure that these documents don't vindicate Bush, even a little bit?

                Are YOU so perfect that you would have made a better judgement given what is coming out in these documents?


                Bush has been CAUGHT RED FUCKING HANDED in memos and tapes released by the British government admitting that the intelligence was faked and that they were proceeding with the invasion anyway. They KNEW when the Chimp took office that there was NOTHING there. PNAC spent the bulk of the 1990's planning this invasion and they didn't care whether there were valid reasons or not. LIKUD ISRAEL wanted him gone, and that's who owns the PNAC'ers.

                All i can say to you if you answer NO to both is that hindsight is always 20/20.

                But know this, Justice is never found within a closed mind, and that's a fact my friends. you need to open it up a little, and bury the hatred that drives you, it's pure vindictive evil.
                I will hate these bastards for destroying my country until the day that they die. Then I'll take a giant shit on their graves and be done with it.
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Cathedral
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 6620

                  #9
                  Hmmmmm, Red Fucking Handed, and still not impeached?

                  Can I ask, How is this possible?

                  If there is proof, and there has to be to be caught red fucking handed, why is it impossible to impeach him?

                  Why aren't the Democrats forcing the issue and screaming to heaven for accountability?

                  It just doesn't make sense to me, it doesn't jive that the Democrats can do nothing with such an apparently strong case.

                  The mind is baffled, bro...It makes absolutely No Sense.

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                  • Warham
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 14589

                    #10
                    Cat,

                    Instead of presenting their 'airtight' case, the Democrats in the Senate are hiding behind beverage carts and fat interns hoping not to be put on the spot.

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58754

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Cathedral
                      Hmmmmm, Red Fucking Handed, and still not impeached?

                      Can I ask, How is this possible?

                      If there is proof, and there has to be to be caught red fucking handed, why is it impossible to impeach him?

                      Why aren't the Democrats forcing the issue and screaming to heaven for accountability?

                      It just doesn't make sense to me, it doesn't jive that the Democrats can do nothing with such an apparently strong case.

                      The mind is baffled, bro...It makes absolutely No Sense.
                      The reason the Democrats can't do "anything" is simple.

                      The Republicans control every branch of government. That means they chair all the committees. That means a Republican would have to call for a formal investigation for one to even begin.

                      Congressman John Conyers (a true patriot if there ever was one in government) has held "hearings" on these issues, but they have no official status. In fact, they had to hold them in a makeshift conference room, and even then, the fucking fat pig Senselessbrenner harrassed them and cut their microphones, because he didn't like the fact that C-SPAN was filming this "informal" hearing.

                      Democrats need the majority in order to hold these bastards accountable. We ALL need checks and balances in this government.

                      Then of course, there's the media. They won't touch the Downing Street Minutes, but they'lll willfully aid the BCE in a forgery.

                      Sickening, isn't it?
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • Cathedral
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 6620

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Warham
                        Cat,

                        Instead of presenting their 'airtight' case, the Democrats in the Senate are hiding behind beverage carts and fat interns hoping not to be put on the spot.
                        If they actually fear impeachment i can understand that. if you remove Bush the rest of the administration remains, right?

                        But still, i'd rather be on record as doing the right thing as opposed to looking weak and doing nothing.

                        Of course that is just speculative at best.

                        If he's guilty, re-call his ass and force the election this year for a new President.
                        I'd be impressed with a candidate that can polarize the country in such a short time frame.
                        I think it's about time we had a Prez who was quick on their feet.

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 58754

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cathedral

                          If he's guilty, re-call his ass and force the election this year for a new President.
                          Unfortunately, recall isn't possible under the constitution. Otherwise it would have been done the day it became clear there were no WMD's in Iraq.
                          Eat Us And Smile

                          Cenk For America 2024!!

                          Justice Democrats


                          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                          • Cathedral
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 6620

                            #14
                            Well, it seems that in the rush to draft a Constitution we left ourselves fucked if a bad seed gets in.

                            Well, in that case, maybe the Dems know what their doing in diving behind beverage carts and sprinting for the doors.

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49136

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Warham
                              The government has reams and reams of documents they've seized from Iraq. This is just a needle in the proverbial haystack as far as that goes. There will be more released as the years go by.
                              Sure. They'll release all the ones where SADDAM hates that upstart BIN LADEN, and thinks he should be killed too?

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