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  • Cathedral
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6618

    Bush: War eroding '04 popularity...

    Bush: War eroding '04 popularity
    By Elisabeth Bumiller, The New York Times

    WASHINGTON - President George W. Bush said Tuesday that the war in Iraq was eroding his political capital, his starkest admission yet about the costs of the conflict to his presidency, and suggested that American forces would remain in the country until at least 2009.
    In a quick remark at a White House news conference about the reserves of political strength he earned in his 2004 re-election victory - "I'd say I'm spending that capital on the war" - Bush in effect acknowledged that until he could convince increasingly skeptical Americans that the United States was winning the war, Iraq would overshadow everything he does.

    Later, in response to a question about whether a day would come when there would be no more American forces in Iraq, he said that "future presidents and future governments of Iraq" would make that decision.

    That statement was one of the few he has made that provides insight into his thinking about the duration of the American commitment in Iraq, and signaled that any withdrawal of troops would extend beyond his term in office.

    Bush asserted that Iraq was not in a civil war, and took issue with Ayad Allawi, a former Iraqi prime minister and White House ally, who said Sunday that it was. The president also said repeatedly that he was convinced that the United States would succeed in Iraq and that he would continue to deliver that message across the country.

    "I'm going to say it again, if I didn't believe we could succeed, I wouldn't be there," he said at the nearly hourlong session in the White House press briefing room. "I wouldn't put those kids there."

    The president's news conference was part of a White House campaign to convince Americans that there is good news in Iraq, not only the daily bloodshed they see on television. The session with reporters was sandwiched in between a series of presidential Iraq speeches - Washington last Tuesday, Cleveland this last Monday and Wheeling, W. Va., scheduled for today - and like them, projected a tone of qualified optimism.

    Bush admitted mistakes and acknowledged chaos on the ground, but emphatically asserted that the situation would improve.

    "I've heard people say, 'Oh, he's just kind of optimistic for the sake of optimism,"' he told reporters. "Well, look, I believe we're going to succeed. And I understand how tough it is. Don't get me wrong. I mean, you make it abundantly clear how tough it is. I hear it from our troops. I read the reports every night. But I believe the Iraqis - this is a moment where the Iraqis had a chance to fall apart, and they didn't. And that's a positive development."

    The speech tactic worked in late 2005 when another series of Iraq addresses helped to stabilize the president's poll numbers temporarily. But analysts said that with his message now familiar to the nation, it was not clear whether people were listening.

    "The problem with the speeches is they get gradually more realistic, but they are still exercises in spin," said Anthony Cordesman, a military specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "They don't outline the risks. They don't create a climate where people trust what's being said."

    White House officials are hopeful that the communications offensive by Bush will stop the decline that has sunk his job approval ratings to the lowest levels of his presidency, but some military analysts said they were skeptical because he no new policies in his news conference or in his speeches.

    "This particular series confuses me about what it is trying to accomplish," said Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow and military specialist at the Brookings Institution. "It's been a bad winter in Iraq, but I also don't think he has enough new to say, and it's too soon after the fall speeches."

    The war in Iraq bled into most questions at the news conference. Bush once again strongly endorsed Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld in response to a question about whether he should step down, as some members of Congress are demanding.

    "No, I don't believe he should resign," Bush said. "I think he's done a fine job of not only conducting two battles, Afghanistan and Iraq, but also transforming our military, which has been a very difficult job inside the Pentagon."

    He added: "Listen, every war plan looks good on paper until you meet the enemy, not just the war plan we executed in Iraq, but the war plans that we have been executed throughout the history of warfare."

    Bush's mood at the news conference alternated between relaxed and testy, although he appeared to be trying hard not to show his irritation at some reporters. In one exchange, Helen Thomas, the longtime White House correspondent and Hearst newspaper columnist, asked Bush why he really wanted to go to war with Iraq. He curtly replied that "to assume I wanted war is just flat wrong, Helen, in all due respect."

    At another point, he took on a peevish tone when asked about Democratic measures in Congress to censure him for his secret surveillance program. A recent New York Times/CBS News poll shows that a majority of Americans support the program as long as they believe it is intended to protect them from terrorism.

    "I did notice that nobody from the Democrat Party has actually stood up and called for getting rid of the terrorist surveillance program," Bush said. He added, in a formulation similar to his campaign speeches portraying Democrats as soft on terrorism, that "they ought to stand up and say the tools we're using to protect the American people shouldn't be used."

    In the news conference, the president strongly defended his staff against calls from Republicans in Congress for new blood in the White House and complaints that the West Wing is adrift.

    "These are good, hard-working, decent people," he said. "And we've dealt with a lot." He added that there was natural congressional anxiety in an election year.

    "I can remember '02 before the elections, there were a certain nervousness," he said. "There was a lot of people in Congress who weren't sure I was going to make it in '04, and whether or not I'd drag the ticket down. So there's a certain unease as you head into an election year. I understand that."

    Asked if he planned to bring to the White House an experienced Washington insider who could quell concerns among Republicans in Congress, Bush replied, "Well, I'm not going to announce it right now."
  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49125

    #2
    From the Los Angeles Times

    Bush Says U.S. in Iraq for Long Haul
    Troops will stay on even after he leaves the White House, he asserts. The president's stance may pose trouble for his party this fall.

    By James Gerstenzang
    Times Staff Writer

    March 22, 2006

    WASHINGTON — President Bush said Tuesday that U.S. troops would remain in Iraq beyond his presidency, a message that could complicate his effort to reassure an increasingly skittish public that the military deployment is not open-ended.

    The complete withdrawal of U.S. troops "of course is an objective, and that will be decided by future presidents and future governments of Iraq," Bush said at a White House news conference that was dominated by questions about Iraq. The president had not previously stated that the military role would continue beyond the end of his second term, on Jan. 20, 2009, a White House spokesman said.

    It was the fourth consecutive day that Bush commented publicly about Iraq, a communications offensive that comes as polls show rising pessimism about the war there and the president's approval rating falling to new lows.

    "There will be more tough fighting ahead," Bush said. But, he added, "if I didn't believe we could succeed, I wouldn't be there. I wouldn't put those kids there."

    The president also echoed statements by other administration officials that Iraq was not in a state of civil war despite the sectarian divisions between Shiite and Sunni Muslims that have grown increasingly violent. On Sunday, Iyad Allawi, the former Iraqi interim prime minister who has been an ally of Bush, said he believed that Iraq was in a civil war.

    Referring to the spasms of violence that shook Iraq after the Golden Mosque, a Shiite shrine in Samarra, was destroyed a month ago amid sectarian conflict, Bush said: "This is a moment where the Iraqis had a chance to fall apart, and they didn't. And that's a positive development.

    "The Iraqis took a look and decided not to go to civil war," he said. "The army didn't bust up into sectarian divisions. The army stayed united."

    In addition, he said, religious leaders denounced violence, and political leaders representing different factions committed themselves to a unified government.

    The news conference was the president's second this year. He is scheduled to speak again on the Iraq war today during a trip to West Virginia.

    Speaking energetically, Bush on Tuesday turned nearly every question on Iraq into a megaphone for his latest message on the war: that he understands Americans' concerns about its progress and cost, but that it must be fought to deny terrorists an Iraqi base from which they could attack the United States. Bush also said that despite the violent images coming from Iraq, U.S. troops and Iraqi allies were succeeding against the insurgents.

    In recent days, several polls have found that roughly 30% of those surveyed think the United States should immediately begin removing troops from Iraq, twice the percentage that favored a withdrawal two years ago and an indication of the political turmoil the war could cause for Bush's party in the November midterm elections.

    On Sunday, Army Gen. George W. Casey, the senior U.S. commander in Iraq, said on the television show "Fox News Sunday" that the number of troops would not drop below the current level of roughly 130,000 over the next few months, but that it would decline "over the course of 2006 and into 2007," depending upon conditions in Iraq.

    As difficult as a continued deployment may be for Bush's political allies in the fall congressional elections, an even greater worry for Republican strategists is the perception that Americans have of the prospect for success in Iraq.

    Frank Donatelli, a Republican political consultant, said in an e-mail exchange: "This … perception will be key to how voters perceive our mission in Iraq. Remember, the public turned against Vietnam not because of the large troop commitment, but rather because they ultimately felt the war was unwinnable."

    Bush appeared to address that concern Tuesday, saying that "I think most Americans understand we need to win … but they're concerned about whether or not we can win."

    "I fully understand the consequences of this war," he added. "I understand people's lives are being lost. But I also understand the consequences of not achieving our objective by leaving too early. Iraq would become a place of instability, a place from which the enemy can plot, plan and attack."

    The president acknowledged that the war had cost him some of the support he claimed just after he was reelected in 2004, the "political capital" he might otherwise use to win congressional enactment of his domestic agenda.

    "I'm spending that capital on the war," he said.

    Bush acknowledged the scale of the mission. "I understand how tough it is — don't get me wrong," he said. "I hear it from our troops; I read the reports every night."

    The administration in recent days has stepped up its public criticism of what it sees as indications of an Iranian hand in fomenting violence in Iraq, and Bush emphasized that diplomatic contact with Iran should not be seen as a negotiation over Iraq.

    The president said he had given permission to Zalmay Khalilzad, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, to make clear to Tehran's representatives in Baghdad "that attempts to spread sectarian violence" or to ship parts that could be used in roadside bombs were "unacceptable."

    He also took issue with the premise of a question, posed by veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas, about why he launched the war in Iraq.

    "To assume I wanted war is just flat wrong," he said.

    Bush also said he would not replace Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Monday said should be fired.

    "Although Mr. Rumsfeld is a strong leader, he is a stubborn leader," Feinstein said Tuesday on MSNBC's "Hardball." "He doesn't really admit mistakes. He doesn't show much flexibility. He doesn't listen to many others. He seems to really know what he wants to do, and he's going to do it, no matter what the cost. Well, the cost is now substantial. So, my view is you need a different team. You need a different strategy."

    On other matters, the president said that, more than five years into his administration, he was "satisfied with the people I've surrounded myself with."

    But asked whether he was listening to advice that he add a veteran Washington hand to his staff, Bush hinted at such a move.

    He said that he was "listening to all suggestions" but that "I'm not going to announce it right now."



    Times staff writer Joel Havemann contributed this report.

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    • Roy Munson
      Veteran
      • Feb 2004
      • 1522

      #3
      Jesus Christ...let's just fucking censure the guy already.




      Last edited by Roy Munson; 03-22-2006, 01:50 PM.
      Originally posted by ELVIS
      I guess you're right...

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49125

        #4
        Censure would do nicely thank you.

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        • EAT MY ASSHOLE
          Veteran
          • Feb 2006
          • 1887

          #5
          Originally posted by Roy Munson
          Jesus Christ...let's just fucking hang the guy already.

          Brilliant, moron. You could techinically now be arrested for talking like that, even as a joke.
          RIM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          • Roy Munson
            Veteran
            • Feb 2004
            • 1522

            #6
            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
            Censure would do nicely thank you.

            He's almost there already, isn't he?
            Originally posted by ELVIS
            I guess you're right...

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            • Roy Munson
              Veteran
              • Feb 2004
              • 1522

              #7
              Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
              Brilliant, moron. You could techinically now be arrested for talking like that, even as a joke.
              Really? Wow. That's crazy seeing as how I usually stick up for the guy non-stop.

              You can't be serious?
              Originally posted by ELVIS
              I guess you're right...

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49125

                #8
                I don't think too many Presidents have been assassinated via hanging...

                The SECRET SERVICE would certainly not allow it, and would cut the rope (after a little while probably)

                But point taken, please do not imply and certainly don't threaten the President of the United States in this Forum with any bodily harm...

                (We wouldn't want to make a martyr out of an asshole, would we?)

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                • LoungeMachine
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 32555

                  #9
                  I'm so glad my tax dollars are paying for Chimpy to fly around the country, speak in front of military audiences, and give stump speeches on why he really was right, and they're making "progress because we have a plan for victory"

                  Hey, dumbass...

                  IF YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THE COUNTRY 3 YEARS LATER AND TRY AND CONVINCE PEOPLE YOU DID THE RIGHT THING, THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY FUCKED UP.

                  No wonder he knew nothing of the Dubai deal, he's too busy trying to convince people we're making progress
                  Originally posted by Kristy
                  Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                  Originally posted by cadaverdog
                  I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                  • Roy Munson
                    Veteran
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 1522

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    I don't think too many Presidents have been assassinated via hanging...

                    The SECRET SERVICE would certainly not allow it, and would cut the rope (after a little while probably)

                    But point taken, please do not imply and certainly don't threaten the President of the United States in this Forum with any bodily harm...

                    (We wouldn't want to make a martyr out of an asshole, would we?)

                    Of course, not.

                    Originally posted by ELVIS
                    I guess you're right...

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32555

                      #11
                      "Hang" can be used in many contexts which do not imply physical or literal actions.


                      That being said.........


                      It's been nice knowing you, Muny
                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58755

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Roy Munson
                        Really? Wow. That's crazy seeing as how I usually stick up for the guy non-stop.

                        You can't be serious?
                        Some guy got arrested a couple years ago for simply making a reference to a "burning bush" in a bar. He was charged with "threatening the pResident", as ridiculous as it seems.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • Roy Munson
                          Veteran
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 1522

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FORD
                          Some guy got arrested a couple years ago for simply making a reference to a "burning bush" in a bar. He was charged with "threatening the pResident", as ridiculous as it seems.


                          Ok...
                          Originally posted by ELVIS
                          I guess you're right...

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                          • EAT MY ASSHOLE
                            Veteran
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 1887

                            #14
                            Hey, whatever happened to William Hung? HE ROCKED!!!
                            RIM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                            • Roy Munson
                              Veteran
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 1522

                              #15
                              Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                              Hey, whatever happened to William Hung? HE ROCKED!!!

                              LOL...
                              Originally posted by ELVIS
                              I guess you're right...

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