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Nickdfresh
04-13-2006, 11:22 PM
Wild but True?

By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Tuesday, April 11, 2006; 9:42 AM

President Bush dismissed reports that he is planning to attack Iran as "wild speculation" yesterday. But that's a far cry from saying it flatly ain't so.

And Bush -- who, it is now abundantly clear, secretly decided to go to war in Iraq long before he admitted as much in public -- lacks credibility on such issues.

One report, from Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker, describes the president as feeling a sense of personal obligation to overthrow the government of Iran. A similar sense of mission in Iraq -- shared only with his confidantes -- prompted the relentless march to war there even as the administration claimed it was hoping for a diplomatic solution.
The Non-Denial Denial

Peter Baker writes in The Washington Post: "President Bush dismissed yesterday talk of military action against Iran as 'wild speculation' and emphasized that his doctrine of preempting threats does not necessarily mean the United States has to use force to stop other countries from developing weapons of mass destruction.

"Bush did not deny reports that his administration has studied airstrikes as an option if Iran does not agree to abandon its alleged nuclear-weapon development program. He said he still considers the country part of an 'axis of evil.' But he emphasized that he wants to find a diplomatic solution to the standoff with Tehran and played down his policy of reserving the right to launch first strikes against potential enemies.

Here's the transcript of Bush's remarks yesterday.

Notes Baker: "At his morning briefing, White House press secretary Scott McClellan used the phrase 'wild speculation' eight times, but he also seemed to acknowledge that the administration has studied alternatives involving force without attaching much significance to it."
Not Buying It

Craig Gordon and Timothy M. Phelps write in Newsday: "White House and Pentagon officials are using language to describe Iran that is reminiscent of the run-up to the Iraq war -- saying the Pentagon was doing routine 'contingency planning' on Iran that didn't signal a coming attack.

"Bush famously said in May 2002 -- when Iraq war planning already had been under way for six months -- that he had 'no war plans on my desk.' Pentagon officials frequently cited contingency planning to explain what the behind-the-scenes preparations were for the March 2003 Iraq invasion."

Julie Mason writes in the Houston Chronicle: "Michael E. O'Hanlon, a defense analyst at the liberal-leaning Brookings Institution, said he was 'troubled because (Bush) didn't deny it.'

" 'By now the president has been appraised,' O'Hanlon said, 'and by now he should have come out and flat denied such a thing.' "

Mark Thompson writes in Time that "it's a safe bet -- assuming Tehran, which shows no sign of backing down, doesn't retreat -- that such 'wild speculation' will ripen into 'informed speculation' and finally into a real live war plan for Bush's approval."
Deja Vu?

Here's what Hersh wrote in this week's New Yorker: "Current and former American military and intelligence officials said that Air Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, planned for this spring, to enrich uranium. . . .

"There is a growing conviction among members of the United States military, and in the international community, that President Bush's ultimate goal in the nuclear confrontation with Iran is regime change. Iran's President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has challenged the reality of the Holocaust and said that Israel must be 'wiped off the map.' Bush and others in the White House view him as a potential Adolf Hitler, a former senior intelligence official said. . . .

"A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was 'absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb' if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do 'what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,' and 'that saving Iran is going to be his legacy.' "

Hersh further reports that one initial military option presented to the White House called "for the use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, against underground nuclear sites. . . .

"Late this winter, the Joint Chiefs of Staff sought to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans for Iran -- without success, the former intelligence official said. 'The White House said, "Why are you challenging this? The option came from you." ' "

Wolf Blitzer asked Hersh on CNN on Sunday: "So what's your bottom line? Do you believe, based on the reporting you did for this article, that the president of the United States is now aggressively plotting military action, a preemptive strike against Iran?"

"HERSH: The word I hear is messianic. He thinks, as I wrote, that he's the only one now who will have the courage to do it. He's politically free. I don't think he's overwhelmingly concerned about the '06 elections, congressional elections. I think he really thinks he has a chance, and this is going to be his mission."

Peter Baker, Dafna Linzer and Thomas E. Ricks wrote in Sunday's Washington Post: "The Bush administration is studying options for military strikes against Iran as part of a broader strategy of coercive diplomacy to pressure Tehran to abandon its alleged nuclear development program, according to U.S. officials and independent analysts.

"No attack appears likely in the short term, and many specialists inside and outside the U.S. government harbor serious doubts about whether an armed response would be effective. But administration officials are preparing for it as a possible option and using the threat 'to convince them this is more and more serious,' as a senior official put it."
Another Sign

Lawrence F. Kaplan writes for the New Republic: "Although a spokesman for the State Department's Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs (NEA) declines to comment on its existence, and the press has yet to carry a single mention of it, last month the administration formed something called the Iran-Syria Operations Group (ISOG) -- a group headed by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Liz Cheney, the purpose of which is to encourage regime change in Iran. It's no secret that Cheney has over $80 million at her disposal to promote democracy in Iran. But ISOG isn't simply about promoting democracy. It's about helping to craft official policy, doing so not with one but two countries in its sights, and creating a policymaking apparatus that parallels -- and skirts -- Foggy Bottom's suspect Iran desk."
Helen Thomas Watch

The TPM Muckraker blog Web-published the transcript of yesterday's morning gaggle -- the more free-wheeling off-camera session. Hearst columnist Helen Thomas was in fine form.

"QUESTION: Is the U.S. going to attack Iran?

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: Helen, we're pursing a diplomatic solution by working with the international community. I assume you're referring to some of the media reports. Some of the media reports I've seen, which are based on anonymous outside advisors and former officials, appear to me to be based on people that do not know the administration's thinking. I think it is a lot of wild speculation. We are working with the international community, particularly the EU-3, to pursue a diplomatic solution to a serious and growing concern.

"QUESTION: Does the President think that the American people would accept any kind of an attack on Iran?

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: Now you're engaging in the wild speculation I just talked about. Look, those who are seeking to draw broad conclusions based on normal military contingency planning are misinformed or not knowledgeable about the administration's thinking. The international community is united in its concern about the regime obtaining a nuclear weapons capability, and that's why we are working with the international community to prevent that from happening. And we are seeking to resolve this in a diplomatic way.

"QUESTION: Would the President consult with Congress before --

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: Helen, I'm not going to engage in all this wild speculation. No President takes options off the table, but our focus is on working with the international community to find a diplomatic solution.

"QUESTION: Scott, what does that mean, 'normal military contingency planning'?

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: Well, if you want to talk to the Pentagon, you can talk to them about it further. I'm not going to get into discussing it further.

"QUESTION: So you're basically just not denying that there's military planning relating to Iran?

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: This is hyped up reporting based on anonymous sources and a lot of wild speculation.

"QUESTION: Well, why is it so wild --

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: Our focus is very clear. We are working with the international community to find a diplomatic solution.

"QUESTION: But you also have left open the other possibility of military action.

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: I told you where our focus is, and I told you --

"QUESTION: I know where your focus is.

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: -- that no President takes options off the table. But our focus is on finding a diplomatic solution.

"QUESTION: But why would you even attack Iran?

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: How many more times I can tell you I'm not going to engage in all that wild speculation, Helen.

"QUESTION: Exactly when does it start? (Laughter.)"
What About the Intel?

Katherine Shrader writes for the Associated Press: "There are disputes now about the quality of the intelligence on Iran.

"Some officials say it has improved, thanks to soil samples, overhead reconnaissance, old-fashioned spying, information from the IAEA and other intelligence. But not everyone is sold.

"Embarrassed by the flawed oversight in the run-up to Iraq, members of Congress are pressing the Bush administration for details on Iran...

"California Rep. Jane Harman, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said she and other lawmakers were shown the nuclear case that the United States has been presenting to international organizations.

"'I don't buy it. I think it's thin,' she said.

"Based on lessons learned from Iraq, Harman said she would like to know how many sources U.S. intelligence officials have, how confident they are of their information and whether there are any dissenting views."
Arkin's View

William Arkin writes in his washingtonpost.com national security blog: "A war with Iran started purposefully or by accident, will be a mess. What is happening now though is not just an administration prudently preparing . . . against an aggressive and crazed state, it is also aggressive and crazed, driven by groupthink and a closed circle of bears.

"The public needs to know first, that this planning includes preemptive plans that the President could approve and implement with 12 hours notice. Congress should take notice of the fact that there is a real war plan -- CONPLAN 8022 -- and it could be implemented tomorrow.

"Second, the public needs to know that the train has left the station on bigger war planning, that a ground war -- despite the Post claim yesterday that a land invasion 'is not contemplated' -- is also being prepared. It is a real war plan; I've heard CONPLAN 1025.

"Like early 2002, the floodgates have opened and the stories about Iran war planning have started. Some claim Dick Cheney has already made the decision, some claim war this spring, some say the U.S. and Israel are collaborating."
Opinion Watch

Paul Krugman writes in his New York Times op-ed column (subscription required): "Why might Mr. Bush want another war? For one thing, Mr. Bush, whose presidency is increasingly defined by the quagmire in Iraq, may believe that he can redeem himself with a new Mission Accomplished moment. . . .

"Given the combination of recklessness and dishonesty Mr. Bush displayed in launching the Iraq war, why should we assume that he wouldn't do it again?"

The Los Angeles Times editorial board writes: "For those still inclined to take him at his word, President Bush dismissed on Monday as 'wild speculation' reports that his administration has intensified plans for a military attack on Iran. . . .

"Which is all well and good, but for one problem: the credibility gap."

The Seattle Post-Intelligencer editorial board writes: "The Bush administration has no credible basis for planning military strikes against Iran. Even the horrible record of Iran's current hard-line government provides no reason for a new Middle Eastern misadventure."
Censure Watch

Richard Morin and Claudia Deane write in The Washington Post that 45 percent of Americans polled "favor censuring or formally reprimanding Bush for authorizing wiretaps of telephone calls and e-mails of terrorism suspects without court permission. Two-thirds of Democrats and half of all independents, but only one in six Republicans, support censuring Bush, the poll found. . . .

"Calls to impeach Bush are not resonating beyond Democratic partisans. One-third of Americans, including a majority of Democrats (55 percent), favor impeaching Bush and removing him from office. But more than nine in 10 Republicans and two-thirds of independents oppose impeachment."

But it's worth nothing that both the censure and impeachment numbers are up a bit from a Newsweek poll from just three weeks ago. In that poll, 42 percent supported censure, and 26 percent supported impeachment.

Also, according to a new USA Today/Gallup Poll , in the context of "George W. Bush's possible involvement with the leaking of certain intelligence information to reporters," 21 percent said he did something illegal; 42 percent said he did not do anything illegal, but did something unethical; and 28 percent said he did not do anything seriously wrong.
Phone Jamming and the White House?

Larry Margasak writes for the Associated Press: "Key figures in a phone-jamming scheme designed to keep New Hampshire Democrats from voting in 2002 had regular contact with the White House and Republican Party as the plan was unfolding, phone records introduced in criminal court show."
Cheney Shot

The Associated Press reports: "Years before Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot a lawyer during a Texas quail hunt, Cheney himself was on the receiving end of an errant shotgun blast.

"Carlsbad Mayor Bob Forrest said he doesn't know for certain if he or his twin brother, Dick Forrest, fired the shot during the hunting trip in the late 1990s. It accidentally pelted Cheney, who was then chief executive at Halliburton Co. . . .

"The Albuquerque Journal reported the incident Sunday."
Froomkin Watch

I was Live Online yesterday, and a good time was had by all. But now I'm off on vacation. The column will resume Thursday, April 20. See you then.

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LoungeMachine
04-14-2006, 12:48 AM
It's fucking Deja Vu all over again....


If anyone wonders how BushCO would have managed to invade Iraq WITHOUT the aid of 9/11.......

Just look at what they're doing now........


Meanwhile, somewhere in North Korea...............

LoungeMachine
04-14-2006, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh




"Bush famously said in May 2002 -- when Iraq war planning already had been under way for six months -- that he had 'no war plans on my desk.'




Technically true, in a Clintonesque way......

Nothing of any importance has EVER been "on his desk"

FORD
04-14-2006, 01:26 AM
Adolf Hitler spelled out his agenda in a book called Mein Kampf, yet most Germans claimed they had "no idea" what he was planning when they allowed him to become the Chancellor of their country.

Likewise, the PNAC agenda existed before Chimpy was even chosen as a candidate. PNAC signators ended up in most of Chimpy's cabinet positions, including pretty much the whole of the Pentagon civillian leadership, and the PNAC agenda has been freely available on their own website (http://www.newamericancentury.org) for years, including the page where they specifically call for a "new Pearl Harbor", which they estimated would be neccessary to sell their global fascism agenda to the American public. And the takeover of Iraq is explicitly spelled out as the first objective in that agenda.

Like Hitler's plans, it's all there. And like Hitler, they did exactly what they said they would do.

And people are still in fucking denial?

Does being a mindless sheep help you sleep at night??? Because Christ knows I haven't had a decent night's sleep since December 12, 2000

LoungeMachine
04-14-2006, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
[B]


"QUESTION: Is the U.S. going to attack Iran?

"SCOTT McCLELLAN: Helen, we're pursing a diplomatic solution by working with the international community. I assume you're referring to some of the media reports. Some of the media reports I've seen, which are based on anonymous outside advisors and former officials, appear to me to be based on people that do not know the administration's thinking. I think it is a lot of wild speculation. We are working with the international community, particularly the EU-3, to pursue a diplomatic solution to a serious and growing concern.





Well, that just about seals it, huh?

FORD
04-14-2006, 01:46 AM
Hell, for Scottie the Duck, that's a "detailed answer". Usually he just says "I can't comment on that"

LoungeMachine
04-14-2006, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Hell, for Scottie the Duck, that's a "detailed answer". Usually he just says "I can't comment on that"

It is just wild specualtion.....

And we're not going to engage in wild specualtion based on anonymous former officials








DOES AMERICA REALLY HAVE THIS SHORT OF MEMORY??????????????

God help us all........

Nickdfresh
04-14-2006, 06:51 AM
Bush considered painting a USAF plane in UN colors so that it could be shot down, in order to justify an attack on Iraq? Gee, is there any wonder why conspiracy theorists flourish with this Admin in power??? And UK-PM Tony Blair is apparently our complete bitch after-all...:rolleyes:

Bush told Blair we're going to war, memo reveals
Submitted by davidswanson on Thu, 2006-02-02 20:32. Evidence | White House Memo

By Richard Norton-Taylor, The Guardian (UK)

· PM backed invasion despite illegality warnings
· Plan to disguise US jets as UN planes
· Bush: postwar violence unlikely

Tony Blair told President George Bush that he was "solidly" behind US plans to invade Iraq before he sought advice about the invasion's legality and despite the absence of a second UN resolution, according to a new account of the build-up to the war published today.
A memo of a two-hour meeting between the two leaders at the White House on January 31 2003 - nearly two months before the invasion - reveals that Mr Bush made it clear the US intended to invade whether or not there was a second resolution and even if UN inspectors found no evidence of a banned Iraqi weapons programme.

"The diplomatic strategy had to be arranged around the military planning", the president told Mr Blair. The prime minister is said to have raised no objection. He is quoted as saying he was "solidly with the president and ready to do whatever it took to disarm Saddam".
The disclosures come in a new edition of Lawless World, by Phillipe Sands, a QC and professor of international law at University College, London. Professor Sands last year exposed the doubts shared by Foreign Office lawyers about the legality of the invasion in disclosures which eventually forced the prime minister to publish the full legal advice given to him by the attorney general, Lord Goldsmith.

The memo seen by Prof Sands reveals:

· Mr Bush told the Mr Blair that the US was so worried about the failure to find hard evidence against Saddam that it thought of "flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft planes with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours". Mr Bush added: "If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach [of UN resolutions]".

· Mr Bush even expressed the hope that a defector would be extracted from Iraq and give a "public presentation about Saddam's WMD". He is also said to have referred Mr Blair to a "small possibility" that Saddam would be "assassinated".

· Mr Blair told the US president that a second UN resolution would be an "insurance policy", providing "international cover, including with the Arabs" if anything went wrong with the military campaign, or if Saddam increased the stakes by burning oil wells, killing children, or fomenting internal divisions within Iraq.

· Mr Bush told the prime minister that he "thought it unlikely that there would be internecine warfare between the different religious and ethnic groups". Mr Blair did not demur, according to the book.

The revelation that Mr Blair had supported the US president's plans to go to war with Iraq even in the absence of a second UN resolution contrasts with the assurances the prime minister gave parliament shortly after. On February 23 2003 - three weeks after his trip to Washington - Mr Blair told the Commons that the government was giving "Saddam one further final chance to disarm voluntarily".

He added: "Even now, today, we are offering Saddam the prospect of voluntary disarmament through the UN. I detest his regime - I hope most people do - but even now, he could save it by complying with the UN's demand. Even now, we are prepared to go the extra step to achieve disarmament peacefully."

On March 18, before the crucial vote on the war, he told MPs: "The UN should be the focus both of diplomacy and of action ... [and that not to take military action] would do more damage in the long term to the UN than any other single course that we could pursue."

The meeting between Mr Bush and Mr Blair, attended by six close aides, came at a time of growing concern about the failure of any hard intelligence to back up claims that Saddam was producing weapons of mass destruction in breach of UN disarmament obligations. It took place a few days before the then US secretary Colin Powell made claims - since discredited - in a dramatic presentation at the UN about Iraq's weapons programme.

Earlier in January 2003, Jack Straw, the foreign secretary, expressed his private concerns about the absence of a smoking gun in a private note to Mr Blair that month, according to the book. He said he hoped that the UN's chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix, would come up with enough evidence to report a breach by Iraq of is its UN obligations.

The extent of concern in Washington at the time is reflected in the plan to send US planes over Iraq disguised in UN livery - itself a clear breach of international law.

Prof Sands also says that Sir Jeremy Greenstock, Britain's UN ambassador at the time, told a colleague from another country that he was "clearly uncomfortable" about the failure to get a second resolution.

Foreign Office lawyers consistently warned that an invasion would be regarded as unlawful. The book reveals that Elizabeth Wilmshurst, the FO's deputy chief legal adviser who resigned over the war, told the Butler inquiry, into the use of intelligence during the run-up to the war, of her belief that Lord Goldsmith, the attorney general, shared the FO view.

Lord Goldsmith told the FO lawyers in early 2003: "The prime minister has told me that I cannot give advice, but you know what my views are", according to private evidence to the Butler inquiry.

Shortly afterwards, in February 2003, Lord Goldsmith visited Washington where he had talks with William Taft, Mr Powell's legal adviser. Mr Taft is quoted in the book as as saying Lord Goldsmith also met "our attorney general [then John Ashcroft], and people at the Pentagon".

On March 7 2003 Lord Goldsmith advised the prime minister that the Bush administration believed that a case could be made for an invasion without a second UN resolution. But he warned that Britain, if it went ahead, could be challenged in the international criminal court. Ten days later, he said a second resolution was not necessary.

Sir Menzies Campbell, Liberal Democrat acting leader, said last night: "The fact that consideration was apparently given to using American military aircraft in UN colours in the hope of provoking Saddam Hussein is a graphic illustration of the rush to war. It would also appear to be the case that the diplomatic efforts in New York after the meeting of January 31 were simply going through the motions, with decision for military action already taken."

Sir Menzies continued: "The prime minister's offer of February 23 to Saddam Hussein was about as empty as it could get. He has a lot of explaining to do."

Link (http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/7408)

Warham
04-14-2006, 07:10 AM
"I have no comment and this is all wild speculation at this time."

Hardrock69
04-14-2006, 09:34 AM
LOL!

I would hope you do not wish to emulate the Neo-Con Shitbag mouthpiece known as Scott McClellan.....

;)

blueturk
04-14-2006, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Hardrock69
LOL!

I would hope you do not wish to emulate the Neo-Con Shitbag mouthpiece known as Scott Mclellan.....

;)

There's really no telling what Warham meant by this post. Is he cheering Scottie on? Is he ridiculing him? Has he even made up his mind about his position on Scottie? And if he has, has he changed his mind yet? Flip-floppers can be so confusing....

"I strongly believe what we're doing is the right thing. If I didn't believe it — I'm going to repeat what I said before — I'd pull the troops out, nor if I believed we could win, I would pull the troops out." —George W. Bush, Charlotte, N.C., April 6, 2006

FORD
04-14-2006, 11:01 AM
http://machinegunkeyboard.com/blogimages/scotty_the_duck.jpg

There's no use denying
We all know he's lying,
I'm talkin 'bout "Scotty the Duck"


Sieg! Hiel!
Quack! Quack!
I'm the White house chief hack!
You'll never pin me down

Warham
04-14-2006, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by blueturk
Flip-floppers can be so confusing....


John Kerry's old news.