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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    Veteran Affairs Debates The Pentacle

    Top Veteran Official Joins Pentacle Debate

    Saturday, May 27, 2006

    RENO, Nev. - Over the years, families have used religious symbols such as the Jewish Star of David, the Christian cross and the Islamic crescent and star to honor their loved ones on headstones and markers. For Sgt. Patrick Stewart's family, the symbol of choice was also from his religion: the Wiccan pentacle.

    But of all the symbols and faiths recognized by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, Wicca and its emblem - a circle around a five-pointed star - are not among them.

    The department is reviewing a request to include the symbol, but when a decision will come is unclear.

    That has angered many. The state's top veterans official, Tim Tetz, said he was "diligently pursuing" the matter with Gov. Kenny Guinn, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Rep. Jim Gibbons, R-Nev.

    "Sergeant Stewart and his family deserve recognition for their contributions to our country," said Tetz, executive director of the Nevada Office of Veterans Services.

    "It's unfortunate the process is taking so long, but I am certain Sgt. Patrick will ultimately receive his marker with the Wiccan symbol," he said Thursday.

    Stewart, 34, had enlisted in the Army after he graduated from Reno's Wooster High School in 1989 and served in Desert Storm.

    After completing his active duty, Stewart enlisted in the Nevada Army National Guard in 2005 and went to Afghanistan. He was killed there last September when the helicopter he was in was shot down.

    Stewart, of Fernley, who was posthumously awarded the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, was a follower of Wicca. Wiccans consider themselves witches, pagans or neo-pagans, and say their religion is based on respect for the earth, nature and the cycle of the seasons.

    The Veterans Affairs' National Cemetery Administration allows only approved emblems of religious beliefs on government headstones.

    Over the years, it has approved more than 30, including symbols for the Tenrikyo Church, United Moravian Church and Sikhs. There is also one for atheists.

    Stewart's widow said she's hopeful she will receive permission for the Wiccan pentacle.

    While Memorial Day services are scheduled Monday at the Northern Nevada Veterans Memorial Cemetery in Fernley, Roberta Stewart plans an alternative service at Fernley's Out of Town Park. She's calling it the Sgt. Patrick Stewart Freedom for All Faiths Memorial Service.

    "This is discrimination against our religion," Roberta Stewart said.

    "The least his country can do is give him the symbol of faith as he would have wished," she recently told the Daily Sparks Tribune.

    The Rev. Selena Fox, senior minister of the Wiccan Circle Sanctuary in Barneveld, Wis., is among those who have been pushing the federal government to adopt the emblem.

    Fox said Veterans Affairs has been considering such requests for nearly nine years with no decision.

    "While this stonewalling continues, families of soldiers who gave the ultimate sacrifice are still waiting for equal rights," Fox said.

    "Sgt. Stewart was shot down by terrorists. He deserves to be recognized," she said.

    Veterans Affairs spokeswoman Jo Schuda in Washington, D.C., said Friday the request was under review and she did not know when a decision would be made.
    Originally posted by Kristy
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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    #2
    Just in case the religious debate/hypocrisy in this country wasn't surreal enough for you......
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58789

      #3
      A symbol for atheists??

      Wouldn't the lack of a symbol for atheists be more appropriate? And a big "?" for agnostics.

      Seriously though, give the man his fucking pentacle, Chimpy. It's the least you could do.
      Eat Us And Smile

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      • DrMaddVibe
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2004
        • 6682

        #4
        I don't see this happening.
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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          #5
          Re: Veteran Affairs Debates The Pentacle

          Originally posted by LoungeMachine


          Stewart, of Fernley, who was posthumously awarded the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, was a follower of Wicca. Wiccans consider themselves witches, pagans or neo-pagans, and say their religion is based on respect for the earth, nature and the cycle of the seasons.

          In other words, they are liberals.

          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58789

            #6
            Re: Re: Veteran Affairs Debates The Pentacle

            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
            In other words, they are liberals.

            Not neccessarily.....

            I know several people with similar belief systems who served in the military. I don't think any of them are crazy about Chimpy, but I wouldn't describe them as "liberals". At least not by my standards. They're good people, of course. Just not anywhere near to the left politically as you would think.

            And as much as you troll Democratic Underground, you know damn well there are plenty of liberal veterans out there.

            After all, to paraphrase Ike Eisenhower, who could hate war more than someone who's actually been there?
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • jcook11
              Commando
              • Sep 2004
              • 1281

              #7
              Originally posted by FORD
              A symbol for atheists??

              Wouldn't the lack of a symbol for atheists be more appropriate? And a big "?" for agnostics.

              Seriously though, give the man his fucking pentacle, Chimpy. It's the least you could do.
              Gotta go with you on this one FORD.

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32576

                #8
                bump for stevie
                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
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