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FORD
05-29-2006, 07:28 PM
Western Washington University To Harness Cow Power

May 29, 2006

By Associated Press


BELLINGHAM - As gas prices continue to rise, more attention is being paid to alternative energy projects, like one at Western Washington University that would power cars with natural gas harvested from cow manure.

Students at the state university's Vehicle Research Institute have developed a scrubber that removes the corrosive chemicals from the gases released by manure so it can power a natural-gas car.

Eric Leonhardt, director of the institute, said the fuel that he calls "biomethane" is less flammable than gasoline and produces fewer greenhouse gases than manure left to decompose naturally in fields.

He estimates the natural gas would cost about half the current price of gasoline to produce, but emphasizes that is not the real benefit of cow power.

"If we can get farmers to put in anaerobic digesters, that's going to be the environmental impact," he said. "The gas is really an aside. The real impact is getting manure out of the water supply."

This new kind of natural gas isn't ready to be pumped into your car at a service station - yet. Only one farm in Washington has started turning its cow manure into natural gas, although the process is catching on more quickly in some other states where utility companies are helping farmers buy anaerobic digesters.

An anaerobic digester on Darryl Vander Haak's dairy farm in Lynden, Wash., processes manure from about 1,000 cows into electricity to sell to Puget Sound Energy. At full capacity, the digester can produce enough energy to power 180 homes.

The raw biogas contains highly corrosive hydrogen sulfide, so it must be processed before it can be used in motor vehicles that run on natural gas.

Leonhardt says his institute is working on creating a commercially viable bioscrubber to turn that idea into a reality.

One of Leonhardt's students, Matt Wilson, 23, said the scrubber they have developed from PVC pipe and spare parts removes both hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide from methane gas. The gas is then compressed before it can be pumped into a special natural-gas-powered car.

Waste produced by 15 cows has been enough to run the institute's natural-gas car for 250 to 300 miles, Wilson said.

Leonhardt said to convert a standard engine to cow power would be an expensive process, possibly costing thousands of dollars.

But Wilson seemed confident biomethane would eventually be a fuel source for cars.

"It's not going to take care of the whole fuel need," he said. "It can't replace gasoline, but it can play a big part in ending our dependency on fossil fuels."

Link (http://www.komotv.com/stories/43658.htm)

jcook11
05-29-2006, 07:37 PM
Quote from the chimp :"America is addicted to oil" Hey chimp quote from jcook11: "FUCK OFF!"

Nitro Express
05-30-2006, 12:52 AM
That makes Washington DC a energy goldmine. That place is full of bullshit.

ELVIS
05-30-2006, 01:57 AM
We will use oil until the last drop before alternative energy becomes commonplace...

binnie
05-30-2006, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
We will use oil until the last drop before alternative energy becomes commonplace...

Yep.


Can't imagine oil companies wanting competition

DEMON CUNT
05-30-2006, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
We will use oil until the last drop before alternative energy becomes commonplace...

And they will profit untl the last drop.

Imagine what the last few months of oil supply will be like. $20 a gallon? $50 a gallon?

FORD
05-30-2006, 03:12 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
We will use oil until the last drop before alternative energy becomes commonplace...

As long as we keep allowing the oil industry to control the White House, that's probably true.

But the fact that Brazil, which isn't exactly a tiny country, has been so successful in a complete conversion (to sugar cane based fuel) proves that it IS possible in current reality. Brazil's advantage is that they have a renewable resource and the proper climate to grow it in.

The northern half of the US is useless for growing cane sugar, but corn grows just about anywhere. As do cows for that matter.

ELVIS
05-30-2006, 03:59 AM
Why can't it be grown indoors in towers as tall as the WTC ??

I was at Epcot with my parents 1982 when it was first opened, and there were all kinds of crops being grown indoors on production line type displays...

LoungeMachine
05-30-2006, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Why can't it be grown indoors in towers as tall as the WTC ??




Because it would take more energy to grow it indoors than it would produce.....

What is it about the great outdoors and sunshine that scares you Cons so much?

FORD
05-30-2006, 05:06 AM
Indoor growing only works when you have a high yield, high priced cash crop like marijuana.

If you had to grow sugar cane under hydroponic lights, the fuel would cost 10 times more than gas does now.

Now on the other hand, huge solar powered greenhouses.....or windmill powered for areas where solar might not cut it.

bobgnote
05-30-2006, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Indoor growing only works when you have a high yield, high priced cash crop like marijuana.

If you had to grow sugar cane under hydroponic lights, the fuel would cost 10 times more than gas does now.

Now on the other hand, huge solar powered greenhouses.....or windmill powered for areas where solar might not cut it.

POT has the high growth rate and versatility that makes it a logical sideshow crop for energy, or the MAIN ONE, of several.

Why no POT or GENETIC ENGINEERED CROPS is you people do NOT admit you need to argue A LOT, for both of these, immediately, yesterday, 200 years ago, or you merely get used as media profile fodder, for dudes as unscrupulous as speedfreaks, inc., to plumb.

You don't force Democrats, even, to admit the power deals 2000-1 are INFLATIONARY, then illegal, so BRAC is illegally affected.

You have neglected to make any DEMOCRAT admit pot has 25,000 uses, so common sense makes THAT a logical biomass starting point, AND A G.E. plant, OF EXTREME INTEREST, WHILE THE SWING FUNDING FROM TAKING OUT A CORNERSTONE OF THE PHONY DRUG WAR IS NECESSARY, AT ALL TIMES.

No Democrat gets past the ADD, inc., to advocate legal pot.

No Democrat gets enough H in the ADD with Beaners' Day Off, to fund the drug war exported down, their oil up, their drugs up, WTA and that drug war continuing, the whole time of Clinton, Al Gore inspiring Stanley Spudowski in FM, so he's back on SNL this month.

Democrats have ADHD, Hispanics dominant. Trouble is, teach them English and they have nothing to say, unless they are my homies. And THEN, as good as it gets, Mencia is on for Chappelle, not catching up fast enough.

THAT indicates we get no POT, no representation, and no Beaner will ever admit to making out coming and going and coming and going, so the funds flows are down THERE, the bad meat is up HERE, and all the pot news is about MEDICATION. Go to Mexico, for MEDS.

Go to MEXICO for your campuses, LADIES! See those PC Dolls? Online ed is a-coming, for your hos and bos, SOON! Or Squat-a-la-hora, bitches! MOVING DAY!

jcook11
05-30-2006, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by FORD
As long as we keep allowing the oil industry to control the White House, that's probably true.

But the fact that Brazil, which isn't exactly a tiny country, has been so successful in a complete conversion (to sugar cane based fuel) proves that it IS possible in current reality. Brazil's advantage is that they have a renewable resource and the proper climate to grow it in.

The northern half of the US is useless for growing cane sugar, but corn grows just about anywhere. As do cows for that matter.

Big oil controlled Clinton and Carter too then right

BigBadBrian
05-30-2006, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine


What is it about the great outdoors and sunshine that scares you Cons so much?

Another silly assumption from the Looney Liberal Left (LLL).

The great outdoors and sunshine are great for hunting and fishing.

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FORD
05-30-2006, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by jcook11
Big oil controlled Clinton and Carter too then right

No. Or JFK either. But if you total the terms of those three Presidents, that's 20 years out of the last 50. Leaving 30 years dominated by the oil industry. LBJ was big oil as well, obviously. Add a Republican congress into the mix during the Clinton years, and you're left with very little real opportunity to do anything about it.

Jimmy Carter made progress in several areas, including putting a solar panel system on the roof of the White House itself. But everything Carter did was undone by Reagan and Poppy the minute they took office.

Just imagine what progress we might have made in the last 6 years if the man who was actually elected in 2000 was allowed to take office.

jcook11
05-30-2006, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by FORD
No. Or JFK either. But if you total the terms of those three Presidents, that's 20 years out of the last 50. Leaving 30 years dominated by the oil industry. LBJ was big oil as well, obviously. Add a Republican congress into the mix during the Clinton years, and you're left with very little real opportunity to do anything about it.

Jimmy Carter made progress in several areas, including putting a solar panel system on the roof of the White House itself. But everything Carter did was undone by Reagan and Poppy the minute they took office.

Just imagine what progress we might have made in the last 6 years if the man who was actually elected in 2000 was allowed to take office.

His name is George W. Bush, its' okay to say his name