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LoungeMachine
05-31-2006, 10:26 AM
May 31, 2006, 8:14AM
Diplomats: U.S. Ready to Join Iran Talks


By GEORGE JAHN Associated Press Writer

VIENNA, Austria — The United States is prepared to join other nations in holding direct talks with Iran on its nuclear program in return for concessions from China and Russia, diplomats said Wednesday.

But the diplomats, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the information was confidential, said Washington would only do so if Beijing and Moscow agreed to back U.N. Security Council sanctions against Iran if it refuses to give up uranium enrichment.

One of the diplomats told The Associated Press that the Bush administration was planning to make an official announcement later in the day on Washington's conditional readiness to join in such talks.

The development is significant because the United States has had no official direct talks with the Iranians since the two countries cut diplomatic ties following the occupation of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by radicals in 1979.

In recent weeks, Bush administration officials repeatedly have insisted there were no plans for one-on-one talks with Iran over its nuclear program, while holding open the possibility of such meetings on Iraq, where Tehran has substantial influence with that country's Shiites.

Any U.S. decision to talk directly with Tehran, even as part of a multilateral set of negotiations, reflects pressure by its allies and partners. Government officials from Germany have publicly urged the Americans to engage Tehran directly, and Moscow and Beijing also are believed to support such a move.

News of the latest U.S. position comes on the eve of a six-nation meeting focusing on ending months of disagreement between Washington and the Kremlin on how to persuade Tehran to stop uranium enrichment. A round of telephone diplomacy Tuesday between President Bush and the leaders of Russia, France and Germany also focused on the nuclear standoff.

Iran's room to maneuver would be greatly reduced if the Russians and Chinese agree to drop their objections to Security Council sanctions in exchange for U.S. participation in talks with Iran. For months, Moscow and Beijing have blocked U.S.-led attempts for tough Security Council action against the Islamic republic.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said Tuesday his country was ready for "negotiations on Iran's nuclear issue without any preconditions," an allusion to the European Union's offer of economic and political perks if Tehran gave up enrichment.

The foreign ministers or their equivalents of the United States, China, Russia, France and Britain _ the permanent Security Council nations _ plus Germany hope to approve those incentives Thursday in Vienna. They also will consider tough council penalties, including possible sanctions, if Tehran remains defiant.

"Trust but verify," White House press secretary Tony Snow said Tuesday about Mottaki's comments. "We'll just have to wait and see."

But U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack brushed off the Iranian offer to talk, saying Tuesday in Washington: "We've heard that before."

Any package foreign ministers approve Thursday was to have been presented to Tehran by France, Britain and Germany _ the trio that broke off talks with Iran in August after the republic resumed activities linked to enrichment, which can make both nuclear fuel or the fissile core of warheads.

But the diplomats suggested the format could be expanded to seven nations _ the five permanent council members, Germany and Iran _ if the Americans joined in the talks.

The Security Council gave Iran until April 30 to suspend all such activities. Instead of complying, Iran announced last month that it had for the first time successfully enriched uranium and was doing research on advanced centrifuges to produce more of the material in less time.

Indirectly linked to any possible deal for Iran would be agreement on a resolution tough enough for Washington but also acceptable to Moscow and Beijing, Tehran's economic partners. A dispute among Security Council members over how to deal with Iran has hobbled action by the permanent members for months.

If Iran remains defiant, the resolution _ as outlined to AP by diplomats familiar with a draft version of the text _ calls for imposing sanctions under the U.N. Charter. But it avoids any reference to a specific article of the charter that can trigger possible military action to enforce any such resolution.

The proposal also calls for new consultations among the five permanent Security Council members on any further steps against Iran _ a move meant to dispel complaints by the Russians and Chinese that once the screws on Iran are tightened, the council would move automatically toward military involvement.

The possible sanctions include a visa ban on government officials, freezing assets, blocking financial transactions by government figures and those involved in the country's nuclear program, an arms embargo and a blockade on the shipping of refined oil products to Iran.

If Tehran agrees to suspend enrichment, enter new negotiations on its nuclear program and lift a ban on intrusive inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency, rewards would include agreement to "suspend discussion of Iran's file at the Security Council," as well as help in building a peaceful domestic nuclear program that uses an outside supply of enriched uranium.


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blueturk
05-31-2006, 06:39 PM
If Saddam ruled Iran we would have already invaded them, but nobody in Iran tried to kill Dubya's daddy....

jcook11
05-31-2006, 08:55 PM
Yeah I'm sure talking with these fanatics will be fruitful....Lets' ask them "Why do you hate us?" or "What can we do to make you like us?"

FORD
05-31-2006, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
May 31, 2006, 8:14AM
Diplomats: U.S. Ready to Join Iran Talks


By GEORGE JAHN Associated Press Writer

VIENNA, Austria — The United States is prepared to join other nations in holding direct talks with Iran on its nuclear program in return for concessions from China and Russia, diplomats said Wednesday.

But the diplomats, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the information was confidential, said Washington would only do so if Beijing and Moscow agreed to back U.N. Security Council sanctions against Iran if it refuses to give up uranium enrichment.



Translation from English to PNAC speak - We need to con the Russians and Chinese into staying out of it when we bomb Iran no matter what they say or do

jcook11
05-31-2006, 09:18 PM
Maybe if we promise not to eat anymore pork they will like us

FORD
05-31-2006, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by jcook11
Maybe if we promise not to eat anymore pork they will like us

Works for me. It gives me the shits anyway.

Hardrock69
06-01-2006, 12:05 AM
Here is the fucking solution:


Tell them they cannot have uranium or nuclear energy.

Then, tell them that the U.S. will provide for the country's energy needs by helping them to build enough solar power plants, wind-farms, or whatever, to achieve that goal.

As Iran has been claiming all along it is only enriching uranium for purposes of cheap electricity, if we tell them we will provide the means for them to have all the power they want, they can no longer claim they want uranium, unless it IS for weapons.

Dickless Cheney can get Halliburton some no-bid contracts to build some power plants that run on oil.

As Iran has a lot of oil, why the fuck can't they just use their own natural resource for power?

IF they were to try to keep their uranium in the face of such an offer, The Lie falls flat and is exposed AS alie.

Sounds like a kewel plan to me....and a way for Dickless Cheney to enrich his self even more.

That fucking reptilian cocksucker.
:mad:

jcook11
06-01-2006, 12:15 AM
HR69: IT IS A LIE, Iran along with most countries FUCKING HATE US...Like it or not we are at war with an enemy that doesn't neccessarily wear a uniform or fights "By the rules" Said enemy will do ANYTHING to bring down the "GREAT SATAN"

Redballjets88
06-01-2006, 12:17 AM
well we can just all thank Jimmy Carter for all this since he was the one that gave Iran nuclear technology

Redballjets88
06-01-2006, 12:18 AM
that wont work mostly bc they dont want the technology for energy...they want the bomb so they can rule the middle eat, and destroy the "great satan" aka the US, as the iotola might say

LoungeMachine
06-01-2006, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Redballjets88


as the iotola might say

Another Huked on Foniks grad......:rolleyes:

Redballjets88
06-01-2006, 12:29 AM
nah dude i dont think that word is on hooked on phonics, but if you have some intelligent arguement ill be more than happy to read it and discuss your opinion

FORD
06-01-2006, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
well we can just all thank Jimmy Carter for all this since he was the one that gave Iran nuclear technology

What the fuck are you talking about?

Were you even fucking BORN when Jimmy Carter was in the White House??

Read your goddamned history books. Carter wasn't giving anything to those Khomeni dickwads.

FORD
06-01-2006, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by jcook11
HR69: IT IS A LIE, Iran along with most countries FUCKING HATE US...Like it or not we are at war with an enemy that doesn't neccessarily wear a uniform or fights "By the rules" Said enemy will do ANYTHING to bring down the "GREAT SATAN"

I guess the hate radio signal is still good in the Orange County lockup, huh?

Try getting your news from somewhere other than a bloviating Oxycontin addict next time.

Seshmeister
06-01-2006, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by jcook11
HR69: IT IS A LIE, Iran along with most countries FUCKING HATE US...

Why do you think that is?

LoungeMachine
06-01-2006, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by FORD
What the fuck are you talking about?

Were you even fucking BORN when Jimmy Carter was in the White House??

Read your goddamned history books. Carter wasn't giving anything to those Khomeni dickwads.

The iatola told him. :rolleyes:

Texas Public Schools....

No Child Left Behind indeed.......:(

jcook11
06-01-2006, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by FORD
What the fuck are you talking about?

Were you even fucking BORN when Jimmy Carter was in the White House??

Read your goddamned history books. Carter wasn't giving anything to those Khomeni dickwads.

Jimmy Carter HA!...HA!.There's a fucking president for you..:eek:

LoungeMachine
06-01-2006, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Why do you think that is?

They hate our freedom. :D

Our freedom to be lied to, spied on, and swindled out of our own money.

:cool:

Redballjets88
06-01-2006, 12:51 AM
Iran: The Next Iraq?:
Wednesday, June 14 @ 11am ET
History Channel

go watch that and then tell me i am wrong

jcook11
06-01-2006, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by FORD
I guess the hate radio signal is still good in the Orange County lockup, huh?

Try getting your news from somewhere other than a bloviating Oxycontin addict next time.

Ted Turner has nothing to do with this!

jcook11
06-01-2006, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Why do you think that is?

I REALLY DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHY!

Redballjets88
06-01-2006, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
The iatola told him. :rolleyes:

Texas Public Schools....

No Child Left Behind indeed.......:(

shit dude you got me so bad just then by making fun of Texas Schools when in fact the school district i go to is nationally recognized for excellence and is considered to be "college prep for the public" but i mean its cool if you want to make ignorant unbased remarks

Hardrock69
06-01-2006, 10:24 AM
But if what you say is not true, then you are saying you do not give a fuck about YOUR lie that Iran is lying.

Of COURSE it is likely they are lying, goober!

That is why I posted what I did.

Let's see what they have to say after we offer them non-nuclear technology that will give them all the power they need for "peaceful purposes".

Guitar Shark
06-01-2006, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
shit dude you got me so ba just then by making fun of Texas Schools when in fact the school district i go to is nationally recognized for excellence and is considered to be "college prep for the public" but i mean its cool if you want to make ignorant unbased remarks

Apparently you skip a lot of classes then.

FORD
06-01-2006, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by jcook11
Ted Turner has nothing to do with this!

Ted Turner doesn't own any news channels anymore, which is why CNN is now as worthless as FAUX.

FORD
06-01-2006, 11:15 AM
Spinning on the 'axis of evil'
Dilip Hiro

June 1, 2006 03:01 PM

George Bush described Washington's decision to join the European Union troika - Britain, France and Germany - in its talks with Iran on the nuclear issue provided Tehran suspended its enrichment and reprocessing activities, as "robust diplomacy".

In reality Bush's move is more an example of spin rather than a grand diplomatic gesture.

For over a year the US has been actively involved in the EU Iran talks. It was at Washington's insistence that the EU troika reneged on its promise to include supply of a light water civilian nuclear power plant to Tehran in the package that it offered Iran last August. The Iranians were so angered by the reneging on this issue they concluded that the Europeans were negotiating in bad faith.

What the US has proposed now amounts to stepping out behind the curtain and sitting at the table along with the Europeans.

It was in his January 2002 state of the union speech that Bush described Iraq, Iran and North Korea as the "axis of evil". With Iraq now under Anglo-American occupation this axis now consists only of Iran and North Korea.

So a comparison between North Korea and Iran is apt.

According to the CIA, Pyongyang has weapons-grade plutonium for half a dozen bombs. North Korea claims to have assembled an atom bomb or two, a statement that remains unverified. It withdrew from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT) in 2003. It also has the most advanced missiles in the world after the US and Russia.

By contrast, Iran has only just enriched uranium to a degree suitable for civilian power plants. Having achieved this on an experimental basis, it has not increased the number of cascades of the uranium-enriching centrifuges as it had said it would do. It remains a signatory to the nuclear NPT, and its nuclear activities are being conducted under the watchful eyes of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors. Its medium-range missiles are capable of carrying only conventional weapons.

Washington's response is inversely proportional to the nuclear threat posed by the two remaining members of its "axis of evil".

For several years now the Bush administration has been engaged in multilateral talks with North Korea, involving South Korea, Japan, China and Russia. In his periodic statements on North Korea, ruled by the communist dictator, Kim Jong Ill, Bush never says, "the military option is on the table". The multilateral talks have been stalemated since last October. Why? Pyongyang wants cast iron guarantee from Washington about its acceptance of the communist regime coupled with its public abdication of any aggressive action against it. Only then would North Korea discuss dismantling its nuclear weapons programme.

By contrast, despite Iran's still under-developed nuclear programme, Bush never misses the chance to reiterate the existence of a military option on his table - a statement repeated by the US secretary of state, Condi Rice, yesterday. Washington has reiterated its precondition of Iran suspending its uranium enrichment before it joins any multilateral negotiations with Iran.

What Tehran has offered the Bush administration is bilateral talks without any preconditions. The Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad's open letter to Bush last month was clear indication of this. Earlier, in May 2003, the Iranian government made a covert approach to the White House through the American interests section at the Swish embassy in Tehran for direct negotiations. It got no response.

If Bush is intent on conducting "robust diplomacy", he should seriously consider Tehran's proposal to return its nuclear issue to the IAEA and expand the EU troika's negotiating team to include not just the US but also South Africa (which decided to dismantle its atom bombs in 1994), and Malaysia, the current chair of 107-strong the Non-Aligned Movement.

Accepting this proposal would truly be a "grand gesture" by Bush.

Link (http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/dilip_hiro/2006/06/spinning_on_the_axis_of_evil.html)

Seshmeister
06-01-2006, 11:42 AM
The iatola is a tiny religious leader...

Hardrock69
06-01-2006, 01:32 PM
eye-uh-toll-uh

jcook11
06-01-2006, 01:50 PM
Where is the Swish embassy located?

FORD
06-01-2006, 03:30 PM
In Tehran. Can't you read?

jcook11
06-01-2006, 04:02 PM
No I can't I only know what FOX and the BCE tell me

BigBadBrian
06-02-2006, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Another Huked on Foniks grad......:rolleyes:

I guess you're fond of other people's grammatical errors.

Here's one of yours: :D



Posted by LoungeMachine
Do you not see the DAMAMGE done in the last 6 years?


Link (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=935391#post935391)

LoungeMachine
06-02-2006, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I guess you're fond of other people's grammatical errors.

Here's one of yours: :D





Link (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=935391#post935391)



Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Slow day hanging out in ER's and chasing ambulances?

Try funeral homes...maybe you can victimize someone there.

:gulp:



ER's ????

LMMFAO

Nice try "iotola"

:D :D

LoungeMachine
06-02-2006, 06:45 AM
Insulting the messenger, Brie?

When do you start to "debate" the topic?

LMMFAO

Fucking hypocrite

LoungeMachine
06-02-2006, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
that wont work mostly bc they dont want the technology for energy...they want the bomb so they can rule the middle eat, and destroy the "great satan" aka the US, as the iotola might say


Originally posted by Redballjets88
well we can just all thank Jimmy Carter for all this since he was the one that gave Iran nuclear technology


Brie's new wingman
:D

LMMFAO

BigBadBrian
06-02-2006, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
ER's ????

LMMFAO



That's the correct way to pluralize an acronym, Shortbus. :D

ERS or ERs would be for Emergency Road Science.

Here's ER's properly used:

RIGHT HERE (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribunereview/news/westmoreland/s_455548.html)

:cool: :gulp:

jcook11
06-02-2006, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
That's the correct way to pluralize an acronym, Shortbus. :D

ERS or ERs would be for Emergency Road Science.

Here's ER's properly used:

RIGHT HERE (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribunereview/news/westmoreland/s_455548.html)

:cool: :gulp:

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