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frets5150
06-05-2006, 02:16 PM
500 Conspiracy Buffs Meet to Seek the Truth of 9/11

CHICAGO (June 4) - In the ballroom foyer of the Embassy Suites Hotel, the two-day International Education and Strategy Conference for 9/11 Truth was off to a rollicking start.
In Salon Four, there was a presentation under way on the attack in Oklahoma City, while in the room next door, the splintered factions of the movement were asked — for sake of unity — to seek a common goal.

In the foyer, there were stick-pins for sale ("More gin, less Rummy"), and in the lecture halls discussions of the melting point of steel. "It's all documented," people said. Or: "The mass media is mass deception." Or, as strangers from the Internet shook hands: "Great to meet you. Love the work."

Such was the coming-out for the movement known as "9/11 Truth," a society of skeptics and scientists who believe the government was complicit in the terrorist attacks. In colleges and chat rooms on the Internet, this band of disbelievers has been trying for years to prove that 9/11 was an inside job.

Whatever one thinks of the claim that the state would plan, then execute, a scheme to murder thousands of its own, there was something to the fact that more than 500 people — from Italy to Northern California — gathered for the weekend at a major chain hotel near the runways of O'Hare International. It was, in tone, half trade show, half political convention. There were talks on the Reichstag fire and the sinking of the Battleship Maine as precedents for 9/11. There were speeches by the lawyer for James Earl Ray, who claimed that a military conspiracy killed the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, and by a former operative for the British secret service, MI5.

"We feel at this point we've done a lot of solid research, but the American public still is not informed," said Michael Berger, press director for 911Truth.org, which sponsored the event. "We had to come up with a disciplined approach to get it out."

Mr. Berger, 40, is typical of 9/11 Truthers — a group that, in its rank and file, includes professors, chain-saw operators, mothers, engineers, activists, used-book sellers, pizza deliverymen, college students, a former fringe candidate for United States Senate and a long-haired fellow named hummux (pronounced who-mook) who, on and off, lived in a cave for 15 years.

The former owner of a recycling plant outside St. Louis, Mr. Berger joined the movement when he grew skeptical of why the 9/11 Commission had failed, to his sense of sufficiency, to answer how the building at 7 World Trade Center collapsed like a ton of bricks. It was his "9/11 trigger," the incident that drew him in, he said. For others, it might be the fact that the air-defense network did not prevent the attacks that day, or the appearance of thousands of "puts" — or short-sell bids — on the nation's airline stocks. (The 9/11 Commission found the sales innocuous.)

Such "red flags," as they are sometimes called, were the meat and potatoes of the keynote speech on Friday night by Alex Jones, who is the William Jennings Bryan of the 9/11 band. Mr. Jones, a syndicated radio host, is known for his larynx-tearing screeds against corruption — fiery, almost preacherly, addresses in which he sweats, balls his fists and often swerves from quoting Roman history to using foul language in a single breath.

At the lectern Friday night, beside a digital projection reading "History of Government Sponsored Terrorism," Mr. Jones set forth the central tenets of 9/11 Truth: that the military command that monitors aircraft "stood down" on the day of the attacks; that President Bush addressed children in a Florida classroom instead of being whisked off to the White House; that the hijackers, despite what the authorities say, were trained at American military bases; and that the towers did not collapse because of burning fuel and weakened steel but because of a "controlled demolition" caused by pre-set bombs.

According to the group's Web site, the motive for faking a terrorist attack was to allow the administration "to instantly implement policies its members have long supported, but which were otherwise infeasible."

The controlled-demolition theory is the sine qua non of the 9/11 movement — its basic claim and, in some sense, the one upon which all others rest. It is, of course, directly contradicted by the 10,000-page investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which held that jet-fuel fires distressed the towers' structure, which eventually collapsed.

The movement's answer to that report was written by Steven E. Jones, a professor of physics at Brigham Young University and the movement's expert in the matter of collapse. Dr. Jones, unlike Alex Jones, is a soft-spoken man who lets his writing do the talking. He composed an account of the destruction of the towers (physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html) that holds that "pre-positioned cutter-charges" brought the buildings down.

Like a prior generation of skeptics — those who doubted, say, the Warren Commission or the government's account of the Gulf of Tonkin attack — the 9/11 Truthers are dogged, at home and in the office, by friends and family who suspect that they may, in fact, be completely nuts.

"Elvis and Area 51 — we're sort of lumped together," said Harlan Dietrich, a recent college graduate from Austin, Tex. "It's attack the messenger, not the message every time."

To get the message out, the movement has gone beyond bumper stickers and "Kumbaya" into political action.

There is a plan, Mr. Berger said, to create a fund to support candidates on a 9/11 platform. There is a plan to create a network of college campus groups. There is a plan by the British delegation (such as it is, so far) to get members of Parliament to watch "Loose Change," the seminal movement DVD.

It would even seem the Truthers are not alone in believing the whole truth has not come out. A poll released last month by Zogby International found that 42 percent of all Americans believe the 9/11 Commission "concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence" in the attacks. This is in addition to the Zogby poll two years ago that found that 49 percent of New York City residents agreed with the idea that some leaders "knew in advance" that the attacks were planned and failed to act.

Beneath the weekend's screenings and symposiums on geopolitics and mass-hypnotic trance lies a tradition of questioning concentrated power, both in public and in private hands, said Mark Fenster, a law professor at the University of Florida and author of "Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture."

As for the 9/11 Truthers, they were confident enough that their theories made sense that on Friday, as a kickoff to the conference, they met in Daley Plaza for a rally (though some called it Dealey Plaza). They marched up Kinzle Street to the local affiliate of NBC where, at the plate glass windows, they chanted, "Talking heads tell lies," as the news was being read.

"I hope you don't end up dead somewhere," a companion said to a participant, hours earlier as he dropped him at the Loop. "Don't worry," the participant said. "There's too many of us for that."


June 5, 2006

ELVIS
06-05-2006, 02:26 PM
I'll bet hummux knows the real truth...


:rolleyes:

Guitar Shark
06-05-2006, 02:29 PM
And in related news, the annual Star Trek convention is coming soon to a rundown town hall near you.

ELVIS
06-05-2006, 02:32 PM
I'm sure some Trekkies were there...

LoungeMachine
06-05-2006, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by frets5150
Like a prior generation of skeptics — those who doubted, say, the Warren Commission or the government's account of the Gulf of Tonkin attack — the 9/11 Truthers are dogged, at home and in the office, by friends and family who suspect that they may, in fact, be completely nuts.

"Elvis and Area 51 — we're sort of lumped together," said Harlan Dietrich, a recent college graduate from Austin, Tex. "It's attack the messenger, not the message every time."




The Warren Commission was pure fiction......

Gulf of Tonkin was a staged hoax.........

ELVIS belongs locked up at Area 51


...end of transmission...

knuckleboner
06-05-2006, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by frets5150
"I hope you don't end up dead somewhere," a companion said to a participant, hours earlier as he dropped him at the Loop. "Don't worry," the participant said. "There's too many of us for that."




now i KNOW these yahoos are idiots. they're certain the U.S. government killed 3,000 people, but they believe that 500 is too many to kill?

what about legionaire's disease at the hotel!?!
what about a breakout of bird flu?!?
what about a "terrorist" strike!!?

these convention goers are practically on death's door!

FORD
06-05-2006, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
now i KNOW these yahoos are idiots. they're certain the U.S. government killed 3,000 people, but they believe that 500 is too many to kill?

what about legionaire's disease at the hotel!?!
what about a breakout of bird flu?!?
what about a "terrorist" strike!!?

these convention goers are practically on death's door!

But they killed the 3,000 people in one act. Or 4 acts within one hour, if you want to get technical about it.

The BCE is certainly capable and willing to kill 500 people, but if everyone who attended this convention suddenly turned up dead, it would certainly raise suspicions even among the doubting Thomases here, with the possible exception of this retard infestation that we seem to have this week.

ELVIS
06-05-2006, 03:08 PM
Were you there ??

FORD
06-05-2006, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
The Warren Commission was pure fiction......

Gulf of Tonkin was a staged hoax.........

ELVIS belongs locked up at Area 51


...end of transmission...

And because it's June 5, let us not forget........

http://home.pacbell.net/hrwhite3/RFK.jpg

"Do not fear the path of truth for the lack of people walking it"

R.I.P. RFK, JFK, MLK.
Someday, the truth will be told :(

Guitar Shark
06-05-2006, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by FORD
But they killed the 3,000 people in one act. Or 4 acts within one hour, if you want to get technical about it.

The BCE is certainly capable and willing to kill 500 people, but if everyone who attended this convention suddenly turned up dead, it would certainly raise suspicions even among the doubting Thomases here, with the possible exception of this retard infestation that we seem to have this week.

You are just making kb's point.

knuckleboner
06-05-2006, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by FORD
But they killed the 3,000 people in one act. Or 4 acts within one hour, if you want to get technical about it.

The BCE is certainly capable and willing to kill 500 people, but if everyone who attended this convention suddenly turned up dead, it would certainly raise suspicions even among the doubting Thomases here, with the possible exception of this retard infestation that we seem to have this week.

if they're right about the government and its involvement in 9/11 then there is no end to the lengths that the feds will go to.

and if America is willing to believe 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy, when why wouldn't we believe a deadly outbreak of legionaire's disease?


in my mind, these people are idiots, without a doubt. because they're either completely wrong about 9/11, or they're completely wrong about being safe from the government. but they can't have it both ways.

diamondD
06-05-2006, 03:41 PM
I bet most of them play a mean game of Everquest though.

FORD
06-05-2006, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
if they're right about the government and its involvement in 9/11 then there is no end to the lengths that the feds will go to.

and if America is willing to believe 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy, when why wouldn't we believe a deadly outbreak of legionaire's disease?

You gotta wonder about legionaire's disease.... What if that was a "test marketing" of a new biological agent that the government thought they might want to use against the Russians or whoever?

Of course, I never thought so at the time, but that was in the late 70's - early 80's when I wasn't nearly as informed about things as I am today.


in my mind, these people are idiots, without a doubt. because they're either completely wrong about 9/11, or they're completely wrong about being safe from the government. but they can't have it both ways.

I see your point, but as I said, if they started wiping out the entire guest list of this convention, it would certainly cause suspicion. Even a skeptic like yourself would take notice if these 500 people started dropping like flies, right?

Because the corporate whore media won't touch the story - except to ridicule those who seek the truth - the BCE's best defense at this point is to do nothing, at least not visibly, so they don't call attention to themselves.

knuckleboner
06-05-2006, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Even a skeptic like yourself would take notice if these 500 people started dropping like flies, right?



very true. i certainly would.

although, i wouldn't discount that it was a conspiracy theorist, himself, who did the damage, trying to drum up suspicion on the government. after all, northwoods isn't just a governmental blueprint...

scamper
06-05-2006, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by FORD
but that was in the late 70's - early 80's when I wasn't nearly as informed about things as I am today.


funny shit

LoungeMachine
06-05-2006, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by diamondD
I bet most of them play a mean game of Everquest though.

I suppose I could Google it, but wtf is Everquest?


Sounds DandD esque....

:confused:

FORD
06-05-2006, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I suppose I could Google it, but wtf is Everquest?


Sounds DandD esque....

:confused:

Yeah, pretty much.

And for the record, I don't play it either.

diamondD
06-05-2006, 05:27 PM
They call it Evercrack because some people lose their jobs because they can't stop playing it. it was pretty big a few years ago. I had a co-worker that would stay up all night and log in on his laptop at lunch. He eventually lost his job from being late so much.

diamondD
06-05-2006, 05:28 PM
;)

LoungeMachine
06-05-2006, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by diamondD
They call it Evercrack because some people lose their jobs because they can't stop playing it. it was pretty big a few years ago. I had a co-worker that would stay up all night and log in on his laptop at lunch. He eventually lost his job from being late so much.

I am so thankful I don't have one those "job" things.....

They sound like they might get in the way....

jcook11
06-06-2006, 06:35 PM
Hey FORD and LOUNGE? whats' it like being in the front row of 500 people wearing tin foil hats....Oh yeah what flavor kool-aid did they serve?

FORD
06-06-2006, 06:56 PM
I don't know, tweaker boy.......

http://www.deblog.co.uk/photos/freepercrowd.jpg

.... what's it like being one of 12 people at a "massive" pro-war rally?

Unchainme
06-06-2006, 07:10 PM
lol @ the pic.

jcook11
06-06-2006, 10:37 PM
"BCE TO FORD... BCE TO FORD... THE CHICKEN IS IN THE POT, I REPEAT THE CHICKEN IS IN THE POT....OVER!