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ODShowtime
06-10-2006, 08:36 PM
U.S.: 3 Gitmo inmates hanged themselves

By ANDREW SELSKY and JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writers 52 minutes ago

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Three Guantanamo Bay detainees hanged themselves with nooses made of sheets and clothes, the commander of the detention center said Saturday. They were the first reported deaths among the hundreds of men held at the base for years without charge.

The suicides, which military officials said were coordinated, triggered further condemnation of the isolated detention center, which holds some 460 men on suspicion of links to al-Qaida and the Taliban. There has been growing international pressure on the U.S. to close the prison.

Two men from Saudi Arabia and one from Yemen were found dead shortly after midnight Saturday in separate cells, said the Miami-based U.S. Southern Command, which has jurisdiction over the prison. Attempts were made to revive them, but they failed.

"They hung themselves with fabricated nooses made out of clothes and bed sheets," Navy Rear Adm. Harry Harris told reporters in a conference call from the U.S. base in southeastern Cuba.

Gen. John Craddock, commander of the U.S. Southern Command, said in the conference call that the three had left suicide notes, but refused to disclose the contents.

One of the detainees was a mid- or high-level al-Qaida operative, Harris said, while another had been captured in
Afghanistan and participated in a riot at a prison there. The third belonged to a splinter group. Their names were not released.

He said all three had engaged in a hunger strike to protest their indefinite incarceration and had been force-fed before quitting the protest action. Military commanders said two were participating in the hunger strike as recently as last month, and described one of them as a long-term hunger striker who had begun the protest late last year and ended it in May.

Bush, who was spending the weekend at Camp David, expressed "serious concern" about the incident, White House press secretary Tony Snow said.

His immediate concerns were making sure that an investigation was being conducted and that the bodies were "treated humanely and with cultural sensitivity," Snow said.

Meanwhile, the State Department was consulting with the governments of the home countries of the three prisoners.

Amnesty International said the apparent suicides "are the tragic results of years of arbitrary and indefinite detention" and said the prison was a blight on the Bush administration.

"Today's reported suicides of detainees in Guantanamo should serve as a wake up call to
President Bush and his administration that Guantanamo is not just a public relations problem, but instead an indictment on its deteriorating human rights record."

Barbara Olshansky of the Center for Constitutional Rights said in a telephone interview from New York that those held at Guantanamo "have this incredible level of despair that they will never get justice. And now they're gone. And they died without ever having seen a court."

Olshansky's group represents about 300 Guantanamo detainees. She appealed to the Bush administration "for immediate action to do the right thing. They should be taken to court or released. I don't think this country wants the stain of injustice on it for many years to come."

Pentagon officials said the three men were in Camp 1, the highest maximum security prison at Guantanamo, and that none of them had tried to commit suicide before.

That camp was also the location where two detainees tried to commit suicide in mid-May, when a riot broke out at the facility. The two men, who took overdoses of an anti-anxiety medication they hoarded, were found and received medical treatment and were recovering.

The military said in a statement that "all lifesaving measures had been exhausted" in the attempt to revive the detainees. The remains were being treated "with the utmost respect," an issue important to Muslims. A cultural adviser was assisting the military.

The statement defended the prison, saying detainees pose a danger to the United States and its allies.

"They have expressed a commitment to kill Americans and our friends if released," it said. "These are not common criminals. They are enemy combatants being detained because they have waged war against our nation and they continue to pose a threat."

Though the military termed the deaths suicides, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service was investigating to establish the official cause of death.

Guantanamo Bay has become a sore subject between Bush and U.S. allies who otherwise are staunch supporters of his policies.

A U.N. panel said May 19 that holding detainees indefinitely at Guantanamo violated the world's ban on torture and the United States should close the detention center.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen and British Prime Minister
Tony Blair are among those who also recently have urged the United States to close the prison.

On Friday, after the prison came up during a meeting with Fogh Rasmussen at Camp David, Bush said his goal is to do just that.

"We would like to end the Guantanamo — we'd like it to be empty," Bush said. But he added: "There are some that, if put out on the streets, would create grave harm to American citizens and other citizens of the world. And, therefore, I believe they ought to be tried in courts here in the United States."

Bush said his administration was waiting for the Supreme Court to rule on whether he overstepped his authority in ordering the detainees to be tried by U.S. military tribunals.

In a sign of the administration's concern over the diplomatic fallout from the suicides, there was an extraordinary round of global outreach by officials from the White House National Security Council, the State Department and Bush's congressional liasons.

Among those contacted within hours by the Bush administration were the
United Nations, the
European Union, most European nations individually, the embassies of Mideast and near-Mideast countries, the International Committee of the Red Cross, Snow said.

Josh Colangelo-Bryan of the Center for Constitutional Rights discovered one of his clients attempting to hang himself last year when he visited Guantanamo, and said he feared there would be more suicides.

Colangelo-Bryan said one detainee recently told him: "I would simply rather die than live here forever without rights."

Moazzam Begg, 37, a British Muslim who spent three years in U.S. detention, including two years at Guantanamo before being released in 2005, told The Associated Press: "We all expected something like this but were not prepared. It's just awful. I hope the Bush administration will finally see this is wrong."

A total of 759 detainees have been held in Guantanamo, with about 300 released or transferred.

There have been increasing displays of defiance from the prisoners, with many claiming their innocence.

Until now, Guantanamo officials have said there have been 41 suicide attempts by 25 detainees and no deaths since the U.S. began taking prisoners to the base in January 2002. Defense lawyers contend the number of suicide attempts is higher.

On May 18, in one of the prison's most violent incidents, a detainee staged a suicide attempt to lure guards into a cellblock where they were attacked by prisoners armed with makeshift weapons, the military said. Earlier that day, two detainees overdosed on antidepressants they collected from other detainees and hoarded in their cells. The men have since recovered.

There also has been a hunger strike among detainees since August. The number of inmates refusing food dropped to 18 by last weekend from a high of 131. The military has at times used aggressive force-feeding methods, including a restraint chair.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060610/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_suicides

ODShowtime
06-10-2006, 08:37 PM
This is getting ugly.

Sgt Schultz
06-10-2006, 09:27 PM
Gee, that's a shame.

Hey OD. I've been BUSY!

sadaist
06-10-2006, 10:35 PM
3 down, 460 to go. If they hurry, we can close the prison....uh, detention center, before any real investigations start.

FORD
06-11-2006, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by sadaist
3 down, 460 to go. If they hurry, we can close the prison....uh, detention center, before any real investigations start.

Or maybe we can throw your troll ass in with them?

ODShowtime
06-11-2006, 09:42 AM
either way it's cheaper than a trial

LoungeMachine
06-11-2006, 06:55 PM
Do you still get the virgins if you off yourself?

Is there an Islamic Purgatory?

ODShowtime
06-11-2006, 07:27 PM
You should still get a couple at least. I'd be happy with 10 or 12 or so.

Switch84
06-11-2006, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by sadaist
3 down, 460 to go.


:D I was thinking the same thing, lol! As for the 'virgins', they've got it twisted...they'll be the 'virgin' in HELL and raped 72 times by a demon with a huge dick...



Buwhahahahahahahahahahhahahaaaa!!

bobgnote
06-12-2006, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Switch84
:D I was thinking the same thing, lol! As for the 'virgins', they've got it twisted...they'll be the 'virgin' in HELL and raped 72 times by a demon with a huge dick...

Buwhahahahahahahahahahhahahaaaa!!

Smeg84, what happens is they died to announce the likely selection of NYC, Atlanta, and LA as hella targets, for the expected HazMat bombs.

I expect bad attacks in 2008, since you twats into jingo jangoed for FIVE YEARS, while the mission-dooming, inflationary power deals churned up a big burn-wad, of INFLATION and BRAC.

******s, you don't get to have SCHOOLS or MISSIONS, in three more! See that military aid to ISRAEL? Don't you ever question the stupid Beach Boys bow-wow about your stupid SCHOOL? IT AIN'T TRUE TO YOU, or valuable, after a very short while!

******s, you pissed your colors, now what you want. NO LOGOS.

DrMaddVibe
06-12-2006, 05:09 PM
Only 3?

Damn, c'mon...can't keep allah waiting boys....hurry up!

Nickdfresh
06-12-2006, 09:17 PM
Maybe they were sick of eating Fruit Loops™ every morning...

LoungeMachine
06-12-2006, 09:40 PM
Associated Press
U.S. Distances Itself From Gitmo Remarks
By ANNE GEARAN , 06.12.2006, 06:16 PM

The Bush administration distanced itself Monday from remarks by a U.S. diplomat that the weekend suicides of three Arab detainees at the Guantanamo Bay military prison were a "good P.R. move."

"I would just point out in public that we would not say that it was a P.R. stunt," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said, using the abbreviation for public relations. "We have serious concerns anytime anybody takes their own life."

Colleen Graffy, deputy assistant U.S. secretary of state for public diplomacy, told the British Broadcasting Corp. that the deaths at the U.S.-run camp in Cuba were a "good P.R. move to draw attention."

Graffy also told the BBC the deaths were "a tactic to further the jihadi cause."

Graffy's unscripted remarks threw a monkeywrench in the administration's careful plan to demonstrate concern over the deaths and respond to rising criticism of the U.S. operation of the prison.

Bush expressed "serious concern" Saturday over the suicides, and he directed an aggressive effort by his administration to reach out diplomatically while it investigates.

"He wants to make sure that this thing is done right from all points of view," White House press secretary Tony Snow said Saturday evening.

Graffy's boss, Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes, is charged with improving the U.S. image in the Arab world. The former White House communications adviser and longtime Bush aide heads an office at the State Department that monitors and quickly responds to inaccurate or distorted portrayals of U.S. views and actions in the Arab media.

Graffy's remarks were quickly picked up in the Arab press.

"Her comments quickly appeared to be bad P.R. moves for the U.S. administration," an article on the Web site of Lebanon's The Daily Star newspaper said.

Two Saudis and one Yemeni hanged themselves Saturday, the first successful suicides at the base after dozens of attempts.

Military officials said the suicides were coordinated acts of protests, but human rights activists and defense attorneys said the deaths signaled the desperation of many of the 460 detainees held on suspicion of links to al-Qaida and the Taliban.

Only 10 detainees have been charged with crimes after more than four years behind bars. The Supreme Court is expected to rule this month on whether President Bush overstepped his power in setting up war crimes trials for those detainees.

The administration's controversial detentions at Guantanamo Bay is a point of contention between the United States and many of its allies in Europe in the Mideast, and the suicides renewed international pressure to shut the prison.

The European Union on Monday called the Guantanamo Bay detention center an "anomaly," and said it would urge Bush to shut it down when he comes to Europe for a trans-Atlantic summit next week.

"Humanitarian standards and human rights have to be observed" in the fight against terrorism, Austrian Foreign Minister Ursula Plassnik told reporters. "For the United States, a country committed to freedom, the rule of law and due process, this is an anomaly."

The Bush administration was well aware of the potential diplomatic headaches that the suicides could create. The deaths prompted an extraordinary round of global outreach by officials from the White House's National Security Council, the State Department and Bush's congressional liaisons.

Within hours of the deaths, the Bush administration had contacted the United Nations, the European Union, most European nations individually, the embassies of Mideast and near-Mideast countries, the International Committee of the Red Cross, bipartisan members of the congressional leadership and the ranking Republican and Democratic members of the House and Senate Foreign Relations and Intelligence committees, Snow said.

Graffy's remarks were sharper than those of other U.S. officials, but not entirely off-message. The camp commander at Guantanamo, Rear Adm. Harry Harris, told reporters Sunday that the detainees "have no regard for human life, neither ours nor their own."

"I believe this was not an act of desperation but an act of asymmetric warfare against us," Harris said.

jcook11
06-13-2006, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Or maybe we can throw your troll ass in with them?

Whats' the matter FORD you mad bescuse they didn't starve themselves to death?
You're are starting to slip you didn't even blame the BCE
Better get to a doctor fast ...preferably Kevorkian

jcook11
06-13-2006, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Do you still get the virgins if you off yourself?

Is there an Islamic Purgatory?

I don't think you do I think its'some sort of mortal sin to commit suicide without taking infidels with you, I think you have to eat pork sandwhiches for eternity and you get 72 jewish widows

jcook11
06-13-2006, 06:14 AM
Originally posted by bobgnote
Smeg84, what happens is they died to announce the likely selection of NYC, Atlanta, and LA as hella targets, for the expected HazMat bombs.

I expect bad attacks in 2008, since you twats into jingo jangoed for FIVE YEARS, while the mission-dooming, inflationary power deals churned up a big burn-wad, of INFLATION and BRAC.

******s, you don't get to have SCHOOLS or MISSIONS, in three more! See that military aid to ISRAEL? Don't you ever question the stupid Beach Boys bow-wow about your stupid SCHOOL? IT AIN'T TRUE TO YOU, or valuable, after a very short while!

******s, you pissed your colors, now what you want. NO LOGOS.

Hey BOBBIGOAt FUCKER I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THAT YOU ARE THE BIGGEST MOST STUPID LOW LIFE JACKASS ON THIS SITE! I used to think you were some kind of berkley loudmoth that was trying to impress us with all your dribbling posts.but it has become quite apparent that you are a rambling racist fool who woludn't know a complete coherent senetence if it landed on your stupid racist ass.Wy don't you do us all a big favor get the book engish for stupd rascist inbred cocksuckers.Isuggest you don't fuck with SWITCH 84 unless you want your intellectual ass handed to youon abig pile of steamy stinking shgit. untilthen learn to speak english and shut the fuck up. other than that have a nice fucking day.:asshole:

Nickdfresh
06-14-2006, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Associated Press
U.S. Distances Itself From Gitmo Remarks
By ANNE GEARAN , 06.12.2006, 06:16 PM

...The camp commander at Guantanamo, Rear Adm. Harry Harris, told reporters Sunday that the detainees "have no regard for human life, neither ours nor their own."

"I believe this was not an act of desperation but an act of asymmetric warfare against us," Harris said.

LMFAO!!! This moron is actually an Admiral? People commiting suicide is "asymmetric warfare" now? Sweet Jesus!! The old salt's been pickled in the rum ration for too long...

bobgnote
06-19-2006, 02:50 PM
Orange County chopshop faggot:


Originally posted by jcook11
Hey BOBBIGOAt FUCKER I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THAT YOU ARE THE BIGGEST MOST STUPID LOW LIFE JACKASS ON THIS SITE! I used to think you were some kind of berkley loudmoth that was trying to impress us with all your dribbling posts.but it has become quite apparent that you are a rambling racist fool who woludn't know a complete coherent senetence if it landed on your stupid racist ass.Wy don't you do us all a big favor get the book engish for stupd rascist inbred cocksuckers.Isuggest you don't fuck with SWITCH 84 unless you want your intellectual ass handed to youon abig pile of steamy stinking shgit. untilthen learn to speak english and shut the fuck up. other than that have a nice fucking day.:asshole:

Is 'senetence' how faggots spell what your time amounts to?

The THREE SUICIDES mean YOUR FAGGOT MEDIA, inc. TOWNS are gonna get it, NYC, DC, HOT-lanta, and LA, when their time comes.

You get a WARNING from Al Queda. You are so UGLY and STUPID, you don't deserve a warning. But other people stuck in your stupid, moronic fag-traffic need to get a move on.

Want some on the way OUT, bitch? Punks UP! Read your ESL lessons.

Warham
06-19-2006, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Maybe they were sick of eating Fruit Loops™ every morning...

Lucky they got that instead of bread and water.

Warham
06-19-2006, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
LMFAO!!! This moron is actually an Admiral? People commiting suicide is "asymmetric warfare" now? Sweet Jesus!! The old salt's been pickled in the rum ration for too long...

Are you belittling our servicemen, Nick?

Where's your sharp tongue when it comes to senile retired guys like Murtha?

Nickdfresh
06-19-2006, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Are you belittling our servicemen, Nick?

You mean like you guys did to John Kerry?

Saying people committed suicide as "asymmetric warfare" is sheer crap. He's merely covering his ass...

In fact, let's look at the definition of "asymmetric warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare)" --show me where people committing suicide under your nose and making you look bad in the press is in any way asymmetric warfare...



Where's your sharp tongue when it comes to senile retired guys like Murtha?

Show me one instance when Murtha has been wrong...

Any fact checks?

Murtha has been dead on and has the facts on his side. It's the nebulous "cut and runner" Republicans that have it all wrong. Things like statistics that show the insurgents are stronger than ever despite a war on them which has lasted longer than Korea...

ODShowtime
06-19-2006, 08:02 PM
I don't know Nick... The cons seem to be saying that the insurgency is losing steam now that zarqawi is dead.

I think that's bullshit of course.

LoungeMachine
06-19-2006, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh


Any fact checks?




ROTFLMMFAO :rolleyes:

Warham?

Facts?

Checked?


Like when he wouldn't admit his hero Limbaugh claimed Dems were wishing for more US deaths in Iraq?

Even though the transcript was furnished

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

jcook11
06-20-2006, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by bobgnote
Orange County chopshop faggot:



Is 'senetence' how faggots spell what your time amounts to?

The THREE SUICIDES mean YOUR FAGGOT MEDIA, inc. TOWNS are gonna get it, NYC, DC, HOT-lanta, and LA, when their time comes.

You get a WARNING from Al Queda. You are so UGLY and STUPID, you don't deserve a warning. But other people stuck in your stupid, moronic fag-traffic need to get a move on.

Want some on the way OUT, bitch? Punks UP! Read your ESL lessons.

Had any new songs "ripped off" lately there boob?
Dumbass! :rolleyes:

BigBadBrian
06-20-2006, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Maybe they were sick of eating Fruit Loops™ every morning...

Can't blame them for holding out for the Count Chocula.

:gulp:

Warham
06-20-2006, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Like when he wouldn't admit his hero Limbaugh claimed Dems were wishing for more US deaths in Iraq?

Even though the transcript was furnished

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'd like to see your conspiracies proven anywhere besides a few tin-foil-beanie websites.

Dr. Love
06-20-2006, 09:43 AM
Didn't this occur a few hours after Bill O'Reilly visited?

Coincidence?

LoungeMachine
06-20-2006, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Warham
I'd like to see your conspiracies proven anywhere besides a few tin-foil-beanie websites.

What the fuck are you talking about?

:rolleyes:

Warham
06-20-2006, 03:17 PM
You following in FORD's footsteps.

It doesn't surprise me though. Rockstars and former rockstars have a tendency to be off the wall, no pun intended.

bobgnote
06-20-2006, 03:35 PM
New Jersey looks like YEMEN, only NJ has NYC on top, DC below. The Yemeni means NYC and DC take shots. The two Saudis mean LA and Atlanta take shots. Go non-alcoholic, unless it's of hemp, for FUELS.

giggle-giggle dipstick rockstars, yow.

jcook11
06-20-2006, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by bobgnote
New Jersey looks like YEMEN, only NJ has NYC on top, DC below. The Yemeni means NYC and DC take shots. The two Saudis mean LA and Atlanta take shots. Go non-alcoholic, unless it's of hemp, for FUELS.

giggle-giggle dipstick rockstars, yow.

Did your parents have any children that do not suffer from fetal alcohol abuse syndrome?:bottle:

bobgnote
06-20-2006, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by jcook11
Did your parents have any children that do not suffer from fetal alcohol abuse syndrome?:bottle:

How do you spell SIN-ass-quan, asshole? Shove a fruit up your butt. SoCal SUCKS.

bobgnote
06-20-2006, 04:33 PM
Thing IS, you drunk SoCAL speed-trash are the EXACT type of shitheads, Al Queda can never, EVER get along with. I can't get along with you. Hey, you are 13 years younger than I am, and what would happen! Not drinking. Not music. What do YOU think happens, jackass from OC? I think most SoCAL geeks need tweaking, today.

bobgnote
06-20-2006, 04:41 PM
The illegal power deal media is intense, down in SoCAL. The denial assholes who really make Bushbot what it is are down there, ADD getting more 'H,' than anybody else has.

So the GITMO suicides mean what the Amman bombing meant last November, LA is gonna get a smackdown of some kind. Suck down a SUICIDE or make a play on those power deals OR on Gray Davis at Loeb and Loeb, SoCAL trash. You aren't who I vacation with.

We have OC up here in the north. When Weirder Al pops you enough, you have to WALK up here, or own it from the get-go. But when things get tough, MAYBE you can hold it together up here, ASSHOLES.

jcook11
06-20-2006, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by bobgnote
Thing IS, you drunk SoCAL speed-trash are the EXACT type of shitheads, Al Queda can never, EVER get along with. I can't get along with you. Hey, you are 13 years younger than I am, and what would happen! Not drinking. Not music. What do YOU think happens, jackass from OC? I think most SoCAL geeks need tweaking, today.

What I think happens is that I continue to make fun of you, Music ,you would never let me hear you play anything original because I would "steal" it from you BWAAHAAAHAAAHAAA

Drinking,YOU should know better than to drink while taking prescription medication. :cato:

jcook11
06-20-2006, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by bobgnote
The illegal power deal media is intense, down in SoCAL. The denial assholes who really make Bushbot what it is are down there, ADD getting more 'H,' than anybody else has.

So the GITMO suicides mean what the Amman bombing meant last November, LA is gonna get a smackdown of some kind. Suck down a SUICIDE or make a play on those power deals OR on Gray Davis at Loeb and Loeb, SoCAL trash. You aren't who I vacation with.

We have OC up here in the north. When Weirder Al pops you enough, you have to WALK up here, or own it from the get-go. But when things get tough, MAYBE you can hold it together up here, ASSHOLES.

"And then ...depression set in....

Nickdfresh
06-20-2006, 06:33 PM
You'd better pray to your Gods that I don't get the ability to edit Bobgnut...

jcook11
06-20-2006, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You'd better pray to your Gods that I don't get the ability to edit Bobgnut...

HA!HA! :D