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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58755

    No, this is NOT 'our war'

    No, this is not 'our war'
    Posted: July 20, 2006
    8:36 p.m. Eastern

    By Patrick J. Buchanan
    © 2006

    My country has been "torn to shreds," said Fouad Siniora, the prime minister of Lebanon, as the death toll among his people passed 300 civilian dead, 1,000 wounded, with half a million homeless.

    Israel must pay for the "barbaric destruction," said Siniora.

    To the contrary, says columnist Lawrence Kudlow, "Israel is doing the Lord's work."

    On American TV, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu says the ruination of Lebanon is Hezbollah's doing. But is it Hezbollah that is using U.S.-built F-16s, with precision-guided bombs and 155-mm artillery pieces to wreak death and devastation on Lebanon?

    No, Israel is doing this, with the blessing and without a peep of protest from President Bush. And we wonder why they hate us.

    "Today, we are all Israelis!" brayed Ken Mehlman of the Republican National Committee to a gathering of Christians United for Israel.

    One wonders if these Christians care about what is happening to our Christian brethren in Lebanon and Gaza, who have had all power cut off by Israeli airstrikes, an outlawed form of collective punishment, that has left them with no sanitation, rotting food, impure water and days without light or electricity in the horrible heat of July.

    When summer power outrages occur in America, it means a rising rate of death among our sick and elderly, and women and infants. One can only imagine what a hell it must be today in Gaza City and Beirut.

    But all this carnage and destruction has only piqued the blood lust of the hairy-chested warriors at the Weekly Standard. In a signed editorial, "It's Our War," William Kristol calls for America to play her rightful role in this war by "countering this act of aggression by Iran with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait?"

    "Why wait?" Well, one reason is that the United States has not been attacked. A second is a small thing called the Constitution. Where does George W. Bush get the authority to launch a war on Iran? When did Congress declare war or authorize a war on Iran?

    Answer: It never did. But these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq.

    "Why wait?" How about thinking of the fate of those 25,000 Americans in Lebanon if we launch an unprovoked war on Iran. How many would wind up dead or hostages of Hezbollah if Iran gave the order to retaliate for the slaughter of their citizens by U.S. bombs? What would happen to the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, if Shiites and Iranian "volunteers" joined forces to exact revenge on our soldiers?

    What about America? Richard Armitage, who did four tours in Nam and knows a bit about war, says that, in its ability to attack Western targets, al-Qaida is the B Team, Hezbollah the A Team. If Bush bombs Iran, what prevents Hezbollah from launching retaliatory attacks inside the United States?

    None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran.

    But none of them has attacked our country, nor has Syria, whom Bush I made an ally in the Gulf War and to whom the most decorated soldier in Israeli history, Ehud Barak, offered 99 percent of the Golan Heights. If Nixon, Bush I and Clinton could deal with Hafez al-Assad, a tougher customer than son Bashar, what is the matter with George W. Bush?

    The last superpower is impotent in this war because we have allowed Israel to dictate to whom we may and may not talk. Thus, Bush winds up cussing in frustration in St. Petersburg that somebody should tell the Syrians to stop it. Why not pick up the phone, Mr. President?

    What is Kristol's moral and legal ground for a war on Iran? It is the "Iranian act of aggression" against Israel and that Iran is on the road to nuclear weapons – and we can't have that.

    But there is no evidence Iran has any tighter control over Hezbollah than we have over Israel, whose response to the capture of two soldiers had all the spontaneity of the Schlieffen Plan. And, again, Hezbollah attacked Israel, not us. And there is no solid proof Iran is in violation of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which it has signed, but Israel refuses to sign.

    If Iran's nuclear program justifies war, why cannot the neocons make that case in the constitutional way, instead of prodding Bush to launch a Pearl Harbor attack? Do they fear they have no credibility left after pushing Bush into this bloody quagmire in Iraq that has cost almost 2,600 dead and 18,000 wounded Americans?

    No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last and always

    And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war.

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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49126

    #2
    Holy fucking shit!

    I never thought I would so agree with a Pat Buchanan op-ed. He's dead on with this...

    See, I'm a REAL conservative!

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    • Cathedral
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Jan 2004
      • 6618

      #3
      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      Holy fucking shit!

      I never thought I would so agree with a Pat Buchanan op-ed. He's dead on with this...

      See, I'm a REAL conservative!
      Ah, the birth of the new conservative...can i call you a neo-natal-con?

      Go ahead and laugh, you know that was funny.

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58755

        #4
        Well I'm NOT a conservative, and I can't disagree with anything he says here. In fact, it's pretty much what I've been saying about this Zionfascist horseshit since the day the PNAC administration was sworn in.
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        • Dr. Love
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7825

          #5
          I think his delivery is more convincing, FORD.

          That said I think we should all stay out of it and let Israel beat all their little asses or vice-versa. The fight is going to happen whether we want it to or not.

          So stand back and let them beat the shit out of each other.
          I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

          http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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          • Cathedral
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6618

            #6
            Originally posted by Dr. Love
            I think his delivery is more convincing, FORD.

            That said I think we should all stay out of it and let Israel beat all their little asses or vice-versa. The fight is going to happen whether we want it to or not.

            So stand back and let them beat the shit out of each other.
            And we're going to be blamed whether we want to or not also.
            We're a target simply by association...wait and see, we're gonna get hit somewhere.
            I mean really, how many people are already bitchin' because Bush hasn't done anything yet?

            Condi won't be going over until after Israel has put the boot completely up their ass.

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            • diamondD
              Veteran
              • Jan 2004
              • 1962

              #7
              I thought Condi was there now? That she had toured the Arab states and was on her way to Israel?
              Meet us in the future, not the pasture

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32555

                #8
                Not yet.........




                Rice plans Middle East trip next week: official

                Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:56pm ET

                WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice plans to go to the Middle East as early as next week to press for a political solution to fighting between Israel and Hizbollah guerrillas in Lebanon, her spokesman said on Thursday.

                The trip also will aim "to address the root causes and bring about a strategic change," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.

                Rice's plans for a visit to the region had been announced but there had been no indication when she would travel.

                "She wants to go to the region when she believes it's helpful and useful to help work on a lasting and durable political solution to end the violence," said McCormack.


                A Western diplomatic source said Rice was likely to go first to Egypt for talks with Arab foreign ministers, followed by a visit to Jerusalem to meet Israeli officials.

                The list of Arab participants was likely to include Egypt, Kuwait, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, the source said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

                McCormack said Arab governments such as Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia would play an important role in talking to Damascus, which supports Hizbollah.

                Rice is set to go on to Malaysia on July 27-28 for meetings with the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations. She could return to the Middle East after her Asian meetings but this depended on conditions on the ground.

                On Thursday, Hizbollah fought Israeli troops on the Lebanese border, as thousands more foreigners fled the 9-day-old war in Lebanon, including 1,000 Americans evacuated by U.S. Marines. Continued...
                Last edited by LoungeMachine; 07-21-2006, 10:34 AM.
                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • LoungeMachine
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 32555

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LoungeMachine




                  The trip also will aim "to address the root causes and bring about a strategic change," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.





                  Root cause?

                  Strategic Change?



                  We're from the Dept. Of Cliches........and we're here to help

                  LMAO



                  Anyone care to translate root cause and strategic change from diplomatic doublespeak into plain English?

                  Originally posted by Kristy
                  Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                  Originally posted by cadaverdog
                  I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                  • LoungeMachine
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32555

                    #10
                    Originally posted by diamondD
                    I thought Condi was there now? That she had toured the Arab states and was on her way to Israel?

                    See what you get for watching so much FAUX NEWS?

                    They've probably already reported the trip was a huge success, and that she brokered lasting peace at the behest of her husband, er, I mean The President.

                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • diamondD
                      Veteran
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 1962

                      #11
                      Air America is already declaring it a failure and that everything is Bush's fault.
                      Meet us in the future, not the pasture

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58755

                        #12
                        Originally posted by diamondD
                        Air America is already declaring it a failure and that everything is Bush's fault.
                        Now I KNOW that's wrong. Because if you're listening to AAR right now, it would be Franken.

                        And since Franken sucks DLC/AIPAC cock, he's probably cheering on the carnage.

                        And it definitely IS the Chimp's fault that he doesn't hold the Likud Zionfascists to the same standard that he does all the other so called "terrorists".

                        But then, that isn't easy for him to do when the Likud branch office (PNAC) owns his Fraudministration, is it?
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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FORD
                          Well I'm NOT a conservative,

                          We know that...

                          You're a Communist...


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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58755

                            #14
                            Whatever, fascist.
                            Eat Us And Smile

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                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • Cathedral
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6618

                              #15
                              Can i be a neo-natal-con?

                              Oh c'mon guys, I wanna play too....

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