All in favor, say "I"

[BigBadBrian]

1. Pull out of Iraq completely and suddenly

2. Watch the fireworks

3. Flip the UN the bird when they try to get up a "peacekeeping"
force for the region.

[LoungeMachine]

I vote Nay.

But why is the Neo-Mod's only alternative to Immediately Cut n Run?

What I ask, is the PROBLEM with setting a time table, like the IRAQI GOVERNMENT has asked for, and stick to it?

What is wrong with cutting our losses?

What is wrong with making them stand up for themselves gradually?

Aren't you a little tired of wet-nursing them?

And wheat about the 14 permanent military bases being constructed?



You can do better than this, Bri.

[LoungeMachine]

Re: All in favor, say "I"

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
1. Pull out of Iraq completely and suddenly

You would consider this telling the "insurgents" that they have won.

But then a firm timetable gives them the same message according to you.


Staying the course, , is actually PROVING that we're losing this war......

So what exactly is a "victory" to you guys at this point?

When every last "insurgent" is dead?

Good luck with that one.

[Seshmeister]

The war is lost. The only small chance of winning was to have the aftermath planned for an to keep the existing Iraqi police and army together, just changing some of the bosses.

The US goverment totally fucked this up.

[Nickdfresh]

Brian wants to keep getting U.S. servicemen killed in a plan that continues to not work, so he can say "we didn't cut and run!"

How quint...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Brian wants to keep getting U.S. servicemen killed in a plan that continues to not work, so he can say "we didn't cut and run!"

How quaint...

Sad, but true.

The ego is a terrible thing when it costs innocent people their lives so some can save face.


Did Reagan "cut n run", Brie?

yes.

Did Bush the Elder?

yes.




I guess that may explain it.

[Nickdfresh]

Maybe we should rewrite this thread to:

"all in favor of continuing to stand by and watch U.S. troop being killed in what is an increasing civil war, and aimless occupation, so we can blame Bush's failures on the next President, presumably a Democrat, say aye."

[LoungeMachine]

Re: All in favor, say "I"

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
1. Pull out of Iraq completely and suddenly

2. Watch the fireworks

3. Flip the UN the bird when they try to get up a "peacekeeping"
force for the region.

1]

How could it be suddenly, when the war was over 3 years ago?

How could it be completely, when we are building 14 bases?


2]

Why so negative, Brie? Why can't you see all of the GOOD NEWS coming from a gradual pull-out?


3]

When have you ever cared about the UN?

[Guitar Shark]

Brian is just pushing buttons with this thread, why indulge him?

[Guitar Shark]

On the other hand, the thread is amusing in the sense that he got the phrase wrong.

(It's "say 'Aye,'" Brian, not "I")

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Brian is just pushing buttons with this thread, why indulge him?

Why?

Because he opens himself up to ridicule with it.


It's nice when the Neo-Mods in here do our dirty work for us.


Besides, what a great opportunity to showcase the flaws and hypocrisy in their arguments.

I thank Brie for this thread.

I think it's fucking hilarious.

[ELVIS]

Why cut and run ??

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Why cut and run ??

This is an act, right?

Or are you really this brain dead?

[ELVIS]

It's not going to happen...

You delusional liberal communists are completely uninterested in hearing the slightest bit of positive information comming out of Iraq...


Stay on the side of the terrorists, that's apparently where you belong...

[knuckleboner]

it's not so simple as just saying let's leave.

remember, however bad it was in iraq (and it was bad) it was at least stable.

whether we were right or wrong in going in may be up for debate.

but it's pretty certain that we removed any semblance of stability that the iraqis had. what happens to them, including civil war, is our responsibility.

i am not necessarily opposed to a timetable for pullout, but what happens if the iraqis aren't ready at that point? do we make the date symbolic? or do we pull out, consequences be damned?

no easy answers. (which, of course, is why the prophylactic is much preferable to the pullout...)