Time to go on offense

[BigBadBrian]

Time to go on offense
By Cal Thomas
Saturday, August 12, 2006


In one of the clearest statements made in a sometimes anonymous war on terrorism, President Bush said Thursday about the alleged attempt to hijack multiple flights from Britain to the United States: “this nation is at war with Islamic fascists.” The question is, are we fighting the war aggressively on American and British soil, or are we merely playing defense? Defense, alone, does not win football games; neither can it win a war against islamofascism.

Many in the British media and some “experts” appearing on American and British television remain steeped in denial, preferring “Asian men” and “evil people” and other disembodied terms to describe the islamofascists, hoping not to give “offense” and make “them” (whoever “them” may be) even angrier at us. If they are already angry enough to attempt to blow up airlines and commit mass murder, how much angrier could they possibly get? British Prime Minister Tony Blair pledged to shut down certain mosques and deport “preachers of hate” following last summer’s subway and bus bombing in London. The legal maneuverings of civil libertarians and the organized protests by Muslim groups have frustrated Blair. Less than a week before the arrest of some of the alleged airplane plotters, Blair stepped up his offensive by announcing his intention to deport dozens of Islamic extremists (it should be thousands). The Bank of England said it had frozen the bank accounts of the four men suspected of carrying out the July 21, 2005 London bombings amid allegations they had collected more than 500,000 pounds ($892,000) in benefits.


An Indian security personnel stands guard at the airport in the eastern city of Kolkata, India June 6, 2006. A bomb threat in a Kolkata-bound Air Deccan flight from Port Blair on Tuesday morning turned out to be a hoax and the plane landed safely at the airport in the city with 190 passengers on board, local media reported. REUTERS/Sambit Saha (INDIA) Blair said, “Let no one be in any doubt, the rules of the game are changing.” They changed a long time ago, but British courts haven’t learned how to “play” by the new rules. They remain — as do too many American courts — mired in a 1960s civil liberties mentality. They have ruled anti-terrorism laws illegal and stopped deportation to countries where they fear people might receive “inhumane treatment.” You can’t get more inhumane than blowing up subway trains, buses and airplanes. British and American courts have an outdated approach to law, increasing the likelihood that more of us will be murdered.

It is long past the time when we need to start “playing” the equivalent of smash-mouth football with these people. They’ve got our number, but we don’t yet have theirs. The British are still shocked that people who are born in their country, go to their schools, have British accents and eat fish and chips would kill their fellow Brits. They do so because their allegiance is not to Britain, or to the Queen, but rather to their perverted view of God and the instructions from the hate preachers telling them to go bag some Jews, Christians, Westerners and other “infidels.”

Health officials respond to plagues by isolation and eradication. Their objective is not only to control the spread of a disease, but also to kill it so it won’t infect others. If that is an effective method for combating a plague, why is it not also a good strategy for combating the islamofascist plague?

This isn’t about “civil rights” and constitutional protection. These people use our Constitution to protect themselves so they can kill us. And this is decidedly not a game. It is life and death. We want to live and they want us dead. Any questions?

If the London bombing plot had succeeded and thousands had died, would we stop playing defense and be more aggressive on offense? The FBI’s chief of counterterrorism, Joseph Billy Jr., says the bureau is currently investigating 10,000 terrorism cases in the United States, Afghanistan, Iraq and other places. Is that frightening enough to be proactive? If not, would a nuclear device, or the threat of several nuclear devices exploding in major American cities do it?

As Blair struggles to do the right thing by deporting at least some islamofascists and silencing a few preachers of hate, why aren’t we Americans shutting their Waahabi-funded schools and mosques and deporting those who preach hate, sedition, Sharia law for all and the overthrow of the government? We had better overthrow them before they overthrow us. Who can doubt their ultimate objective?

Link (http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/CalThomas/2006/08/12/time_to_go_on_offense)

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian


Many in the British media and some “experts” appearing on American and British television remain steeped in denial, preferring “Asian men” and “evil people” and other disembodied terms to describe the islamofascists, hoping not to give “offense” and make “them” (whoever “them” may be) even angrier at us.

Yeah, no shit.

Let's tip-toe around these people so we don't incite millions more to violence against Western interests. Let's "Neville Chamberlain" them...that's the Liberal Way.

[DEMON CUNT]

The politics of hatred brought to you by the Army's Spam Master General and part time Christian.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/images/hitler_adolf.jpg

[Satan]

Fascism = corporatism.

How can a bunch of 12th century mentality assholes in caves be corporatists?

(Saudi Royal family and the Bin Ladens notwithstanding)

[ELVIS]

Because that "12th century mentality" act is just that...

An act...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Because that "12th century mentality" act is just that...

An act...


:rolleyes:

Ah, so they're "closet" fascists then?



LMMFAO

Idiots.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Because my "sober-Christian" act is just that...

An act...


Thought so. :rolleyes:

[Satan]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Because that "12th century mentality" act is just that...

An act...

Are you saying that they're really all corporate CEO's and that the caves are just false fronts for executive penthouse apartments.?

[LoungeMachine]

ELVIS is an idiot.


Film at 11

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Satan
Fascism = corporatism.

How can a bunch of 12th century mentality assholes in caves be corporatists?

(Saudi Royal family and the Bin Ladens notwithstanding) .


There is your vague thought of the week folks.

Please cite some examples Ford and let's explore...

[Spc. Graner]

Mother fucking kill them all in the name of God!

Hitler had the right concept, he just went after the wrong religion!

Kill 60 million Islams and terrorism would go way. Start up the ovens!

[Keef]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Time to go on offense
By Cal Thomas
Saturday, August 12, 2006


In one of the clearest statements made in a sometimes anonymous war on terrorism, President Bush said Thursday about the alleged attempt to hijack multiple flights from Britain to the United States: “this nation is at war with Islamic fascists.” The question is, are we fighting the war aggressively on American and British soil, or are we merely playing defense? Defense, alone, does not win football games; neither can it win a war against islamofascism.

Many in the British media and some “experts” appearing on American and British television remain steeped in denial, preferring “Asian men” and “evil people” and other disembodied terms to describe the islamofascists, hoping not to give “offense” and make “them” (whoever “them” may be) even angrier at us. If they are already angry enough to attempt to blow up airlines and commit mass murder, how much angrier could they possibly get? British Prime Minister Tony Blair pledged to shut down certain mosques and deport “preachers of hate” following last summer’s subway and bus bombing in London. The legal maneuverings of civil libertarians and the organized protests by Muslim groups have frustrated Blair. Less than a week before the arrest of some of the alleged airplane plotters, Blair stepped up his offensive by announcing his intention to deport dozens of Islamic extremists (it should be thousands). The Bank of England said it had frozen the bank accounts of the four men suspected of carrying out the July 21, 2005 London bombings amid allegations they had collected more than 500,000 pounds ($892,000) in benefits.


An Indian security personnel stands guard at the airport in the eastern city of Kolkata, India June 6, 2006. A bomb threat in a Kolkata-bound Air Deccan flight from Port Blair on Tuesday morning turned out to be a hoax and the plane landed safely at the airport in the city with 190 passengers on board, local media reported. REUTERS/Sambit Saha (INDIA) Blair said, “Let no one be in any doubt, the rules of the game are changing.” They changed a long time ago, but British courts haven’t learned how to “play” by the new rules. They remain — as do too many American courts — mired in a 1960s civil liberties mentality. They have ruled anti-terrorism laws illegal and stopped deportation to countries where they fear people might receive “inhumane treatment.” You can’t get more inhumane than blowing up subway trains, buses and airplanes. British and American courts have an outdated approach to law, increasing the likelihood that more of us will be murdered.

It is long past the time when we need to start “playing” the equivalent of smash-mouth football with these people. They’ve got our number, but we don’t yet have theirs. The British are still shocked that people who are born in their country, go to their schools, have British accents and eat fish and chips would kill their fellow Brits. They do so because their allegiance is not to Britain, or to the Queen, but rather to their perverted view of God and the instructions from the hate preachers telling them to go bag some Jews, Christians, Westerners and other “infidels.”

Health officials respond to plagues by isolation and eradication. Their objective is not only to control the spread of a disease, but also to kill it so it won’t infect others. If that is an effective method for combating a plague, why is it not also a good strategy for combating the islamofascist plague?

This isn’t about “civil rights” and constitutional protection. These people use our Constitution to protect themselves so they can kill us. And this is decidedly not a game. It is life and death. We want to live and they want us dead. Any questions?

If the London bombing plot had succeeded and thousands had died, would we stop playing defense and be more aggressive on offense? The FBI’s chief of counterterrorism, Joseph Billy Jr., says the bureau is currently investigating 10,000 terrorism cases in the United States, Afghanistan, Iraq and other places. Is that frightening enough to be proactive? If not, would a nuclear device, or the threat of several nuclear devices exploding in major American cities do it?

As Blair struggles to do the right thing by deporting at least some islamofascists and silencing a few preachers of hate, why aren’t we Americans shutting their Waahabi-funded schools and mosques and deporting those who preach hate, sedition, Sharia law for all and the overthrow of the government? We had better overthrow them before they overthrow us. Who can doubt their ultimate objective?

Link (http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/CalThomas/2006/08/12/time_to_go_on_offense)

I am sure while you fuck around on the internet daily you have heard this, but join up.....

GO NOW. You are not serving your country.

But i guess you have something holding you here?

[Satan]

Originally posted by Keef
I am sure while you fuck around on the internet daily you have heard this, but join up.....

GO NOW. You are not serving your country.

But i guess you have something holding you here?

In all fairness, Brian HAS served his country in uniform. He was just fortunate enough to do so under a better commander in chief that didn't get him involved in useless wars based on lies.

On the other hand, Cal Thomas, the author of this stupid shit rant, is a chickenhawk, to my knowledge.

[Hardrock69]

Seems to me that the CIA should blow up Iran with an A-bomb, and then blame it on "Islamic Extremists".

That would be a nice start anyway.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Spc. Graner
Mother fucking kill them all in the name of God!

Hitler had the right concept, he just went after the wrong religion!

Kill 60 million Islams and terrorism would go way. Start up the ovens!

Do you really believe that? Fuck man, and people wonder what's wrong with this world.

How many Muslims are there in the US? Your willing to kill your own people as well.

What's needed is to realize that these idiots are not being true to their own religion, and they will not be greeted by 72 virgins when they die. They will be in hell, because they are NOT following the teachings of the Prophet Muhammed.

By the way, Christians blowing up abortion clinics are terrorists too.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Angel
By the way, Christians blowing up abortion clinics are terrorists too.


Cite us an example...

[Satan]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Cite us an example...

I'll cite you three.....

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1054406072525_2003/06/01/02n_eric_rudolph,0.jpg
Eric Rudolph (a.k.a. "The Olympic Bomber")

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39292000/jpg/_39292826_hill_203_body_ap.jpg
Paul "I'm so pro-life I love to murder" Hill

http://www.publiceye.org/body_politic/mag/back/art/bp077.jpg
Randall "Let the hate wash over you. Hate is good" Terry

And then there's this allegedly "Christian" asshole.....
http://www.2dorks.com/gallery/2001/Tim/bubbye.jpg
..who didn't bother with an abortion clinic. He went straight to a building that contained a day-care center, among other things.

[LoungeMachine]

Gee, ELVIS, you fucking cunt.....

3 examples cited for you.....

Care to respond now, asshole?

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Cite us an example...

You truly are the most ignorant, hypocritical, racist, homophobic piece of shit around.

Good work. :rolleyes:

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Cite us an example...

Dumbass.

[Satan]

Question for Mr. Presley or any other professing "Christian" neocons.

Do you agree with the following statement?




"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism. We want theocracy. Theocracy means God rules." - Randall Terry, as quoted in The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93

BTW, while most sane people realize what a wacko Randall Terry is, his sick, fascist, Dominonist vision is shared by televangelists far more mainstream, such as Rod Parsley and John "Israel should nuke everyone" Hagee, just to name two.

How the Hell can anyone defend an agenda like THIS while condemning Muslim fundamentalism???

[Nitro Express]

We invaded Afganistahn and Iraq. What's more offensive than that? We suck at deffense. Our borders are as open as ever.

You fight terrorism by profiling and keeping those with possible terrorist ties or ambitions out of the country. Is holding up the airport so the Dept. of Homeland Security strip searches grandma and makes your wife toss her expensive perfume and makeup away an answer while millions come in across porus borders? Nope.

[LoungeMachine]

It's now "time" to go on "offense"??????

What the FUCK have we been doing then for the last 5 years, if not offense?

We invaded and overthrew 2 countries, repealed most of the Bill of Rights, circumvented the Constitution, and now spending BILLIONS per month wet nursing Iraqis who dont even want us there.

What's been holding you RePukes back from being on the "offensive" then?

You control every branch of the government. Yet you still can't get a handle on anything........

Maybe The Tom DeLays, Duke Cunninhams, and Jack Abramoffs have been too distracting to you.


Still waiting to see/hear that one big "accomplishment" this administration has scored.

[Angel]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Cite us an example...

When in Alberta, I worked for the licensing body for physicians in the province.

Our Registrar received fucking death threats against his CHILDREN for licensing Dr. Morganthaler (abortionist). His poor kids and wife had to have body guards with them everywhere they went. His daughter had a fucking body guard at her grad, for Christ's sake! (Sorry, JC). So no, the clinic never got bombed, but his entire family lived in fucking terror. There have also been numerous cases of doctors who perform abortions being shot in Canada...all in the name of christianity. I've seen police escorting women into abortion clinics.

If that's not terrorism, then what is?

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Gee, ELVIS, you fucking cunt.....

3 examples cited for you.....

Care to respond now, asshole?


Those are not Christians !!!



:elvis:

[Satan]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Those are not Christians !!!



:elvis:

Paul Hill was an ordained minister. So is Randall Terry, I believe.

Now you can certainly argue that they are NOT Christians because they don't follow JC's teachings, but still, they led flocks at churches which present themselves as "Christian".

I can tell you even now that Paul Hill and Tim McVeigh feel no remorse for what they did, and both still believe they acted according to "God's will". Obviously that can't be the case, because they are here, and not upstairs playing harps.

So why is it easy for you to condemn these bastards as false "Christians", but not allow for the same abominations in other religions?

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Those are not Christians !!!



:elvis:


You are a fucking LIAR

:rolleyes:

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Those are not Christians !!!


Judge not.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Those are not Christians !!!



:elvis:


As much as you are........

maybe more....

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
Judge not.

When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically...

We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences (John 14:6)



:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Satan
So why is it easy for you to condemn these bastards as false "Christians", but not allow for the same abominations in other religions?

Who said I don't ??

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Galatians 5:22


Not only does fruit grow, but the kind of fruit which grows on the outside is a reflection of the nature of the tree...

The fruit of the Spirit which grows in your life is an outgrowth of the nature within...

It is the new man, the new life, the new nature growing within you which expresses itself in the kind of fruit that grows on the outside...


What kind of fruit did the three criminals you pointed out harvest ??


:elvis:

[Angel]

Elvis, you're one of the most hypocritical Christians I've ever come across, I swear.

[ELVIS]

If you think all the nonsense I post on a message board is a true representation of who I am, you're an idiot...

Slut

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
If you think all the nonsense I post on a message board is a true representation of who I am, you're an idiot...

Slut


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Actually, it's a pretty fine representation of what you are.

You're a pig. You're a hypocritical pseudo-christian fraud.

It fits you.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Those are not Christians !!!





Neither are you


:elvis: :monekyr:

[blueturk]

Originally posted by ELVIS
If you think all the nonsense I post on a message board is a true representation of who I am, you're an idiot...

Slut

I think that your posts ARE a true representation of who you are. You're just trying to distance yourself from all the nonsense (your term, and very accurate) that you've posted in the past. Kind of like Jesse Helms or Strom Thurmond reversing themselves on civil rights...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by blueturk
I think that your posts ARE a true representation of who you are. You're just trying to distance yourself from all the nonsense (your term, and very accurate) that you've posted in the past. Kind of like Jesse Helms or Strom Thurmond reversing themselves on civil rights...


nailed it :cool:

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by blueturk
I think that your posts ARE a true representation of who you are.

At times...

You're just trying to distance yourself from all the nonsense (your term, and very accurate) that you've posted in the past.

No way my friend, I don't put that much thought into it...

I'm here to entertain and to be entertained, and to learn a thing or two...

I'm quite fond of almost every regular, halfway sane, halfway intelligent poster on this board...

I'm aware that alot of the stupid things I post are not at all something a real Christian should say anywhere or anytime, including on a message board...

I don't think It's a big deal, but I do pray to God for anything and everything I do wrong on a daily basis...

Sin is unavoidable, wilful sin is not...

Bottom line is, I'm a huge David Lee Roth fan, as most of us are, and I'm here to have a good time...

Kind of like Jesse Helms or Strom Thurmond reversing themselves on civil rights...

Hahahaha...




:elvis:

[Guitar Shark]

ELVIS's last post is brought to you by the POJO School of Ellipses.

...

;)

[ELVIS]

Actually, we use them very differently...;)

[Satan]

I believe Mr Presley has missed the point.

The initial question was not whether murderers like Paul Hill and Randall Terry are disciples of Jesus Christ, because any remotely sane person would recognize that they are not. The question is how can one easily distinguish these terrorist murderers from other professing Christians while insisting that none of the 1.3 billion Muslims on this planet are any better than Osama Bin Laden or Khalid Sheik Yourbouti.

[ELVIS]

Who has insisted such a thing, me ??

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Who has insisted such a thing, me ??

yes.:rolleyes:

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Neither are you


:elvis: :monekyr:

That's really not for you to judge, particularly since you consistently demonstrate that you know nothing about Christianity.



:)

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
That's really not for you to judge, particularly since you consistently demonstrate that you know nothing about Christianity.



:)


LMMFAO

I know a hypocrite when I see one.

And if you believe ELVIS displays Christian values in here then you're more twisted than I figured.

Get real [for once]

:gulp:

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
LMMFAO

I know a hypocrite when I see one.

And if you believe ELVIS displays Christian values in here then you're more twisted than I figured.

Get real [for once]

:gulp:

I think Elvis sometimes displays a typical "online persona", as we all probably do. I think the Internet gives us a platform to speak to and treat people in a fashion we normally wouldn't in person. I'm as guilty as anyone. I think some people, such as myself, say things to deliberately provoke the other side. Hey, that's part of the fun in this board. :D

[Satan]

WWJP
Who Would Jesus Provoke?

[Angel]

Originally posted by ELVIS
If you think all the nonsense I post on a message board is a true representation of who I am, you're an idiot...

Slut

Wow, reverting to name calling now are we? What a man!

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by ELVIS
If you think all the nonsense I post on a message board is a true representation of who I am, you're an idiot...

Slut

at least you admit that most of what you type is nonsense...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I think Elvis sometimes displays a typical "online persona", as we all probably do. I think the Internet gives us a platform to speak to and treat people in a fashion we normally wouldn't in person. I'm as guilty as anyone. I think some people, such as myself, say things to deliberately provoke the other side. Hey, that's part of the fun in this board. :D

Ahhh.

The Roth version of the Neo-Con Signing Statement :D


The "I know I come across as a hypocritical, homophobic, racist, pseudo-christian...........but it's all just an online act" approach.


Mmmkay

:gulp:




LMMFAO

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
at least you admit that most of what you type is nonsense...

Thank you...

[Warham]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Still waiting to see/hear that one big "accomplishment" this administration has scored.

I've been waiting for much longer to hear what big accomplishment the previous administration had.

[Warham]

Originally posted by blueturk
I think that your posts ARE a true representation of who you are. You're just trying to distance yourself from all the nonsense (your term, and very accurate) that you've posted in the past. Kind of like Jesse Helms or Strom Thurmond reversing themselves on civil rights...

Since 99.95% of your posts are quotes of George W. Bush, what is your true representation here?

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Warham
I've been waiting for much longer to hear what big accomplishment the previous administration had.

Balanced budget wasn't good enough for you, eh?

[Warham]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Balanced budget wasn't good enough for you, eh?

Balanced budgets don't impress me. If the national debt had actually gone down, then I would have been impressed.

The only thing I can even come close to thinking of is that Clinton begrudgingly signed welfare reform into law. I know that's hard for a liberal to do, given the great society, et al, so I'll give him a point for that.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Warham
Balanced budgets don't impress me.

Interesting comment from an alleged fiscal conservative. ;)

Actually I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure the national debt did go down for a while during Clinton's presidency.

[Warham]

I'm not sure if I'm such a fiscal conservative.

I think I'm more of a social conservative, actually.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Those are not Christians !!!



:elvis:

LOL The bullshit, semantic escape clause...

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

I just want to say I saw an Ivan Brunnetti cartton this past weekend where Jesus Christ was masturbating through his stigmata.

It was glorious.