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Steve Savicki
08-15-2006, 03:18 PM
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,110044,00.html

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israel began slowly pulling out forces from southern Lebanon and made plans to hand over territory Tuesday on the first full day of a tense cease-fire that already has been tested by skirmishes and rocket fire. Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon shot five Hezbollah fighters Tuesday in two separate incidents, but it was not clear if they were wounded or killed, the army said.

The Islamic militant group also fired at least 10 rockets in southern Lebanon, but none crossed the border into Israel. On Monday, at least six Hezbollah militiamen were killed by Israeli troops waiting for a peacekeeping force before beginning a full-scale withdrawal.

But Israeli and Hezbollah forces avoided any escalation, raising hopes that the U.N.-imposed pact could stick, as governments rushed to assemble international troops to deploy in southern Lebanon and firm up the peace.

Hezbollah's two patrons, Syria and Iran, proclaimed on Tuesday that the guerrillas had won the fight with Israel and thwarted America's plan for a "new Middle East" - a reflection of the two countries' boosted confidence amid Hezbollah's increased popularity around the Arab and Islamic world.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said early in the war between Hezbollah and Israel that any settlement should be durable and lead to a "new Middle East" where extremists have no influence.

But after 34 days of fighting, a cease-fire that took effect Monday brought a fragile truce, with Hezbollah surviving and Israeli forces unable to score a decisive victory. Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah has declared "strategic, historic victory" against Israel.

Israel and its main backer, the United States, however, portrayed Hezbollah as the loser - and by extension, its main backers, Iran and Syria. "There's going to be a new power in the south of Lebanon," President Bush said Monday.

As Lebanese refugees streamed home, Israeli warplanes dropped leaflets over southern Lebanon, warning residents to stay out of the area until Lebanese and international troops are deployed.

"The situation will remain dangerous," until the forces are deployed, the leaflets read.

Israel is waiting for a peacekeeping force to deploy in the south before beginning a full-scale withdrawal. Lebanon was under intense international pressure to get soldiers moving south into Hezbollah territory - a key element in the U.N. Security Council plan to end the conflict that claimed more than 970 lives.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Hezbollah has "hoisted the banner of victory" over Israel and thwarted U.S.-led plans to forge a Middle East dominated by "the U.S., Britain and Zionists."

"God's promises have come true," Ahmadinejad told a huge crowd in Arbadil in northwestern Iran. "On one side, it's corrupt powers .... with modern bombs and planes. And on the other side is a group of pious youth relying on God."

In Damascus, Syrian President Bashar Assad said the region has changed "because of the achievements" of Hezbollah and turned U.S dreams of a "new Middle East" into "an illusion."

The U.N. Security Council blueprint calls for Lebanese forces to join up with another 15,000 soldiers in a strengthened U.N.-backed military mission. Their job would be to patrol an 18-mile buffer zone from the Litani River to the Israeli border.

Lebanon's Defense Minister Elias Murr said the Lebanese force of 15,000 soldiers could be on the north side of the Litani River by the end of the week. But they still must cross the river and try to enforce the central government's control over Hezbollah areas for the first time in decades.

In Jerusalem, Israeli army officials said they plan to begin handing over some captured positions on Wednesday and hope to complete the withdrawal from Lebanon by next week.

The plans for territory to change hands shows the complexity of the border zone: Israel transferring it to the U.N. force, which would then turn it over to Lebanese envoys.

The Israeli army said it already had begun thinning out its forces in Lebanon, but did not give figures. During a final ground offensive, about 30,000 Israeli soldiers were believed to be in southern Lebanon.

In a highly symbolic step, the last Israel soldiers left the strategic town of Marjayoun, which was Israel's main base during its 18-year occupation of the border area that ended in 2000.

Israel's military officials also made a first gesture at possible post-conflict negotiations. They said 13 Hezbollah prisoners and the bodies of dozens of guerrillas could be offered in exchange for two captive soldiers, who were taken in a cross-border raid July 12 that touched off the worse Arab-Israel battles in 24 years.

Rescue workers dug through the ruins of apartment buildings and homes in southern villages, looking for bodies that had been left buried because they could not be reached during the Israeli bombardment.

At least 15 bodies were found in two villages near the border, Ainata and Taibeh. Lebanese authorities and Hezbollah also sent teams fanning out across south Lebanon to clear unexploded ordnance from the battlefield. A 12-year-old girl was wounded when an object exploded in her village east of Nabatiyeh.

The planning for the international force was in high gear. Italy's foreign minister said Tuesday his country could send up to 3,000 troops. France, Malaysia, Turkey and Indonesia also have offered to contribute. The foreign ministers of France and Turkey were heading to Lebanon for talks on the expanded U.N. force.

The peacekeeping force also must provide security for a huge reconstruction effort across southern Lebanon, where many villages were in ruins and even basic services like water and electricity may take weeks to restore.

Refugees in cars loaded down with salvaged possessions, began pouring into southern Lebanon just hours after the truce took effect on Monday morning. As they took stock of the wreckage, more refugees were expected to pour in from Syria, Cyprus and other havens during the war.

The newly discovered victims raised to at least 815 the number of people killed in Lebanon during the campaign, most civilians. Israel suffered 157 dead - including 118 soldiers.

Israel said it would continue its blockade of Lebanese ports but was no longer threatening to shoot any car that moved on roads south of the Litani.

Relief agencies worried about how to move supplies across southern Lebanon over bombed roads and others clogged with traffic. U.N. officials said 24 U.N. trucks took more than five hours to reach the port of Tyre from Sidon, a trip that normally takes 45 minutes.

Sweden plans to host an international donors' conference Aug. 31 to help fund the rebuilding.

In northern Israel - hit by nearly 4,000 Hezbollah rockets during the conflict - residents emerged from bomb shelters and slowly trickled back to their homes. A few bathers even lounged on the beach in Haifa, which was hardest hit by the guerrilla attacks.

Canceled bus routes to Kiryat Shemona were resumed, bringing home civilians and taking soldiers southward who had been at war for more than a month.

Avi Tal reopened his coffee shop in the northern town for the first time since early in the war. "All I can offer now is coffee," he said. "It's strange to adjust to the quiet after hearing booms for a month."

<center>So what did God promise?</center>

Seshmeister
08-15-2006, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Steve Savicki
In northern Israel - hit by nearly 4,000 Hezbollah rockets during the conflict

Sounds impressive but most landed in the desert. Allah is a shit aim I guess.

The score so far is

2 Israeli soldiers get kidnapped.
Israel kills 1000 civilians.
Hezbollah kills 40 civilians.

The soldiers haven't been returned and lots of dead kids.

With politicians like this who needs enemas...?

DEMON CUNT
08-15-2006, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
2 Israeli soldiers get kidnapped.
Israel kills 1000 civilians.
Hezbollah kills 40 civilians.


All while our government twiddled their thumbs and cheered for Israel.

Seshmeister
08-17-2006, 09:27 AM
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:)

BigBadBrian
08-17-2006, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
All while our government twiddled their thumbs and cheered for Israel.

We all know you cheered for the Islamofascists. Nothing new there.

However, your statement above leaves me wondering: Do you think we should have gotten involved?

Figs
08-17-2006, 03:04 PM
Israel has pulled out of Lebanon


...a frustrated Lebanon could not be reached for comment......

Nickdfresh
08-19-2006, 09:29 AM
http://web.adelphia.net/api/hangar.php/c21hcnRjcm9wOjIyMDoyNTAscmVzaXplOjIyMDoyNTA=/http://newsimages.adelphia.net/ap_photos//3fb8ffdc-4f80-4110-91c9-0f05000f4424.jpeg
Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:21 AM EDT
The Associated Press
By BENJAMIN HARVEY

METULLA, Israel (AP) — Israeli soldiers returning from the war in Lebanon say the army was slow to rescue wounded comrades and suffered from a lack of supplies so dire that they had to drink water from the canteens of dead Hezbollah guerrillas.

"We fought for nothing. We cleared houses that will be reoccupied in no time," said Ilia Marshak, a 22-year-old infantryman who spent a week in Lebanon.

Marshak said his unit was hindered by a lack of information, poor training and untested equipment. In one instance, Israeli troops occupying two houses inadvertently fired at each other because of poor communication between their commanders.

"We almost killed each other," he said. "We shot like blind people. ... We shot sheep and goats."

In a nation mythologized for decisive military victories over Arab foes, the stalemate after a 34-day war in Lebanon has surprised many.

The war was widely seen in Israel as a just response to a July 12 cross-border attack in which Hezbollah gunmen killed three Israeli soldiers and captured two. But the wartime solidarity crumbled after Israel agreed to pull its army from south Lebanon without crushing Hezbollah or rescuing the captured soldiers.

A total of 118 Israeli soldiers were killed in the fighting, and the army was often caught off guard by a well-trained guerrilla force backed by Iran and Syria that used sophisticated weapons and tactics. Soldiers, for instance, complained that Hezbollah fighters sometimes disguised themselves in Israeli uniforms.

Military experts and commentators have criticized the army for relying too heavily on air power and delaying the start of ground action for too long. They say the army underestimated Hezbollah, and that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert set an unrealistic goal by pledging to destroy the guerrilla group.

This week, Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz appointed a former army chief to investigate the military's handling of the war.

Some of the harshest criticism has come from reservists, who form the backbone of the army. Israeli men do three years of mandatory service beginning at age 18, but continue to do reserve duty several weeks a year into their 40s.

Israeli newspapers quoted disgruntled reservists as saying they had no provisions in Lebanon, were sent into battle with outdated or faulty equipment and insufficient supplies, and received little or no training.

"I personally haven't thrown a grenade in 15 years, and I thought I'd get a chance to do so before going north," an unidentified reservist in an elite infantry brigade was quoted as telling the Maariv daily.

Israel's largest paper, Yediot Ahronot, quoted one soldier as saying thirsty troops threw chlorine tablets into filthy water in sheep and cow troughs. Another said his unit took canteens from dead guerrillas.

"When you're thirsty and have to keep fighting, you don't think a lot, and there is no time to feel disgusted," the unidentified soldier was quoted as saying.

The newspaper said helicopters were hindered from delivering food supplies or carrying out rescue operations because commanders feared the aircraft would be shot down. In some cases, soldiers bled to death because they were not rescued in time, Yediot Ahronot said.

The Israeli military said it was aware of the complaints, had tried to address them in the course of the fighting and was still looking into them. It had no comment on specific complaints.

Comrades of the two soldiers captured by Hezbollah sent a petition to the prime minister Thursday accusing the government of abandoning the men.

"We went to reserve duty with the certainty that all of Israel's citizens, and the Israeli government, believe in the same value that every combatant learns from his first day in basic training — you don't leave friends behind," the soldiers wrote. "This is a moral low point. The Israeli government has abandoned two IDF (Israeli Defense Force) combatants that it sent on a mission."

The petition was being circulated Friday; it was unclear how many soldiers had signed it.

While such sentiments aren't shared by all soldiers, even some senior commanders acknowledge the army came up short in Lebanon.

When soldier Gil Ovadia returned home, his commander made no mention of victory in an address to their battalion. Instead, the commander told them the war was over, said they did a good job, and advised that they be prepared to come back soon and fight again.

"We'll be back in Lebanon in a few months, maybe years," Ovadia said.

I said it was a really bad idea for Israeli to "kick ass!" and roll into defensive fortifications, booby traps, and ambush kill zones. Nearly every non-Israeli military analyst I saw said the same thing, including Henry Kissinger, who said he didn't "understand Israel's strategy" in all this. WTF was Israel doing besides killing civilians?"

DEMON CUNT
08-19-2006, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
We all know you cheered for the Islamofascists. Nothing new there.

However, your statement above leaves me wondering: Do you think we should have gotten involved?

Your first sentence is a lie. You lie on a regular basis.

Yes, to save the lives of civilians, we should have aggressively tried to stop the violence.

It never ceases to amaze me how casual you neocons are about murder and your own dishonesty.

BigBadBrian
08-19-2006, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by DEMON CUNT


Your first sentence is a lie. You lie on a regular basis.


You're just not intelligent for a worthwhile comeback, are you? :D



Yes, to save the lives of civilians, we should have aggressively tried to stop the violence.



Aggressively? Military troops? "Strongly worded statements" (a UN favorite), or what?

Define "aggressively" in the context you used above...if you can.

:gulp:

Nickdfresh
08-19-2006, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
You're just not intelligent for a worthwhile comeback, are you? :D



Aggressively? Military troops? "Strongly worded statements" (a UN favorite), or what?

Define "aggressively" in the context you used above...if you can.

:gulp:

Why don't you point out on a map where the 'Republic of Islamofascia' is?

Why don't you describe this mighty coalition of the willing?

If you're going to throw around such terms implying a monolithic organized movement, then point the fuck out to me where it exists, what their motivations are, and how they got here.

I look forward to your drastically dumbed down, selectively or unitentionally edited (through ignorance) histories in great anticipation.

DEMON CUNT
08-19-2006, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
You're just not intelligent for a worthwhile comeback, are you? :D

Aggressively? Military troops? "Strongly worded statements" (a UN favorite), or what?

Define "aggressively" in the context you used above...if you can.


That wasn't meant as a "comeback." It is a factual statement. You are a liar and you know it, we know it.

Rice and Bush shrugged their shoulders and said "Israel has a right to defend herself" as people were being murdered. People that you don't seem to care about.

Our govt. should have started working with other governments to apply pressure on both sides to bring an end to the violence. That should always be the first step.

You have shown a preference for violence and that shows us what kind of man you really are.