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  • ODShowtime
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    • Jun 2004
    • 5812

    Judge finds NSA program unconstitutional

    Judge finds NSA program unconstitutional


    By SARAH KARUSH, Associated Press Writer
    1 hour, 32 minutes ago


    A federal judge on Thursday struck down President Bush's warrantless surveillance program, saying it violated the rights to free speech and privacy, as well as the separation of powers enshrined in the Constitution.

    U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor in Detroit is the first judge to rule on the legality of the National Security Agency's program, which the White House says is a key tool for fighting terrorism that has already stopped attacks.

    "Plaintiffs have prevailed, and the public interest is clear, in this matter. It is the upholding of our Constitution," Taylor wrote in her 43-page opinion.

    The administration said it would appeal to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati.

    "We're going to do everything we can do in the courts to allow this program to continue," Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said at a news conference in Washington.

    White House press secretary Tony Snow said the Bush administration "couldn't disagree more with this ruling." He said the program carefully targets communications of suspected terrorists and "has helped stop terrorist attacks and saved American lives."

    Taylor ordered an immediate halt to the program, but the government said it would ask for a stay of that order pending appeal. The American Civil Liberties Union, which brought the suit, said it would oppose a stay but agreed to delay enforcement of the injunction until Taylor hears arguments Sept. 7.

    The ACLU filed the lawsuit in January on behalf of journalists, scholars and lawyers who say the program has made it difficult for them to do their jobs. They believe many of their overseas contacts are likely targets of the program, which monitors international phone calls and e-mails to or from the U.S. involving people the government suspects have terrorist links.

    The ACLU says the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which set up a secret court to grant warrants for such surveillance, gave the government enough tools to monitor suspected terrorists.

    The government argued that the NSA program is well within the president's authority but said proving that would require revealing state secrets.

    The ACLU said the state-secrets argument was irrelevant because the Bush administration already had publicly revealed enough information about the program for Taylor to rule. The adminstration has decried leaks that led to a New York Times report about the existence of the program last year.

    Taylor, a Carter appointee, said the government appeared to argue that the program is beyond judicial scrutiny.

    "It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control, particularly where his actions blatantly disregard the parameters clearly enumerated in the Bill of Rights," she wrote. "The three separate branches of government were developed as a check and balance for one another."

    Administration officials said the program is essential to national security. The Justice Department said it "is lawful and protects civil liberties."

    In Washington, Republicans expressed hope that the decision would be overturned, while many Democrats praised the ruling.

    "It is disappointing that a judge would take it upon herself to disarm America during a time of war," Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a statement.

    West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the decision shows the executive branch needs more external reviews.

    "The administration is wrongly convinced that it can run the country without Congress or oversight. This is their tragic failure, and the courts understand it," Rockefeller said.

    ACLU executive director Anthony Romero called Taylor's opinion "another nail in the coffin in the Bush administration's legal strategy in the war on terror."

    "At its core, today's ruling addresses the abuse of presidential power and reaffirms the system of checks and balances that's necessary to our democracy," he told reporters.

    One of the plaintiffs in the case, Detroit immigration attorney Noel Saleh, said the NSA program had made it difficult to represent his clients, some of whom the government accuses of terrorist connections.

    Saleh, a leader in Michigan's large Arab-American community, also said he believes many conversations between people in the community and relatives in Lebanon were monitored in recent weeks as people here sought news of their families amid the violence in the Middle East.

    "People have the right to be concerned about their family, to check on the welfare of their family and not be spied on by the government," he said.

    Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman, is championing a compromise that would allow Bush to submit the surveillance program to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for a one-time test of its constitutionality. But under Thursday's ruling congressional approval would not be enough, said Richard Pildes, a professor at New York University School of Law.

    Taylor suggests in her ruling that the program "would violate the Constitution even if Congress authorized it," Pildes said. "Until Congress actually addresses these questions, I would expect most appellate courts to be extremely reluctant to address many of the questions this judge was willing to weigh in on."

    While siding with the ACLU on the surveillance issue, Taylor dismissed a separate claim by the group over NSA data-mining of phone records. She said not enough had been publicly revealed about that program to support the claim and further litigation would jeopardize state secrets.

    The lawsuit alleged that the NSA "uses artificial intelligence aids to search for keywords and analyze patterns in millions of communications at any given time." Multiple lawsuits have been filed related to data-mining against phone companies, accusing them of improperly turning over records to the NSA.

    The data-mining was only a small part of the Detroit suit, said Ann Beeson, the ACLU's associate legal director and the lead attorney on the case.

    ___

    Associated Press writer Katherine Shrader in Washington contributed to this report


    Before someone bitches and moans, remember that gw&friends could have submitted this stuff to a secrect congressional panel and everything would be good. Why the secrecy? Why the power grab? Why the incompetence? :confused:
    gnaw on it
  • Steve Savicki
    Full Member Status

    • Jan 2004
    • 3934

    #2
    Judge's ruling may provide grounds to impeach Bush:



    f a judge's ruling that declares President George W. Bush's domestic spying program unconstitutional holds up under appeal, the President will be guilty of violating federal law at least 30 times and that could provide grounds for impeachment, says a leading Constitutional scholar.

    President George W. Bush
    Jonathan Turley, law professor at George Washington University and a recognized expert on constitutional law, says the ruling Thursday by a federal judge in Detroit raises "serious implications for the Bush administration" and indicates that the President "could well have committed a federal crime at least 30 times."

    "This ruling is a bad situation that just got worse for the White House," says Turley. "These crimes could constitute impeachable offenses."

    Turley knows a thing or two about the impeachment process. He worked with Special Prosecutor Ken Starr on the investigation that led to impeachment proceedings against former President Bill Clinton.

    U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor, in a stinging indictment of Constitutional abuse by the Bush Administration over its use of warrantless wiretaps of American citizens by the National Security Agency, ruled the program violates the Administrative Procedures Act, the doctrine of separation of powers, and the First and Fourth amendments to the Constitution and ordered an immediate halt to the practice.

    "There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution. So all 'inherent powers' must derive from that Constitution," Taylor wrote in her lengthy opinion.

    The White House went into immediate attack mode, claiming Taylor is an activist judge appointed by a Democratic president (Jimmy Carter) and vowing to appeal the ruling all the way to the Supreme Court.

    A Republican National Committee press release declared: Liberal judge backs Dem agenda to weaken national security.

    Turley says such tactics are typical for the Bush White House.

    "That's what's really distasteful," Turley said Thursday night on MNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann show. "This is not the first judge to rule against the administration. But every time a judge rules against the administration, they're either too Democratic or they're too tall or too short, or they're Pisces. I mean, it, you can, all this spin, this effort to personalize it is really doing a great injustice to our system. If you look at this opinion, it's a very thoughtful opinion. The problem is not the judge. The problem is a lack of authority. You know, when Gonzales says I've got something back in my safe, and if you could see it, you'd all agree with me, well, unless there's a federal statute in his safe, then it's not going to make a difference."

    The judge's order to halt the program is stayed during the appeal process and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales vowed the domestic spying program will continue during those appeals, which could extend well beyond the end of Bush's final term in office.
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    • Warham
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Mar 2004
      • 14589

      #3
      You know that the Supreme Court is going to overturn this ruling, right?

      This 'judge', and I use the term loosely, was installed by Jimmy Carter, near the end of his horrid term in office.

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49137

        #4
        [i]Judge finds NSA program unconstitutional


        By SARAH KARUSH, Associated Press Writer[/url]

        White House press secretary Tony Snow said the Bush administration "couldn't disagree more with this ruling." He said the program carefully targets communications of suspected terrorists and "has helped stop terrorist attacks and saved American lives."
        LOL Which ones precisely? Doesn't he mean "suspected" Americans, or do they magically know which several hundred million e-mails, IMs, and phone messages they intercept are "terrorist" in nature? And if so, why to they need to troll with such a huge net?

        The government argued that the NSA program is well within the president's authority but said proving that would require revealing state secrets.
        Funny, but the gov't never fails to reveal state secrets about terrorist plots when it's election time.

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49137

          #5
          Originally posted by Warham
          You know that the Supreme Court is going to overturn this ruling, right?


          Yeah, well the new Congress can legislate against it as well. And didn't you recently chastise the court for upholding corporate Eminent Domain? So, you hate them when they allow the gov't/corps. to take away land, but you hope they take away freedoms and privacy by encouraging free-range gov't intrusion?

          This 'judge', and I use the term loosely, was installed by Jimmy Carter, near the end of his horrid term in office.
          Oh! God no!

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          • LoungeMachine
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jul 2004
            • 32555

            #6
            Originally posted by Warham
            You know that the Supreme Court is going to overturn this ruling, right?

            This 'judge', and I use the term loosely, was installed by Jimmy Carter, near the end of his horrid term in office.



            Loosely?

            Really WarBOT?

            By this reume, she seems pretty judicial to me.

            What are YOUR law credentials, moron?



            Taylor, Anna Katherine Johnston Diggs
            Born 1932 in Washington, DC

            Federal Judicial Service:
            Judge, U. S. District Court, Eastern District of Michigan
            Nominated by Jimmy Carter on May 17, 1979, to a new seat created by 92 Stat. 1629; Confirmed by the Senate on October 31, 1979, and received commission on November 2, 1979. Served as chief judge, 1996-1998. Assumed senior status on December 31, 1998.

            Education:
            Barnard College, B.A., 1954

            Yale Law School, LL.B., 1957

            Professional Career:
            Attorney, Office of Solicitor, U.S. Department of Labor, Washington, DC, 1957-1960
            Assistant Wayne County prosecutor, Michigan, 1961-1962
            Assistant U.S. attorney, Detroit, Michigan, 1966
            Legislative assistant / Detroit office manager, U.S. Rep. Charles C. Diggs, Jr., 1967-70
            Private practice, Detroit, Michigan, 1970-1975
            Adjunct professor, Wayne State University School of Labor and Industrial Relations, 1972-1975
            Supervising assistant corporation counsel, City of Detroit, Law Department, 1975-1979
            Adjunct professor, Wayne State University Law School, 1976-1977

            Race or Ethnicity: African American

            Gender: Female







            Been on the bench 25 years, but Warpig uses the term "judge" loosely.


            LMMFAO

            Idiot
            Originally posted by Kristy
            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
            Originally posted by cadaverdog
            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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            • Jesus Christ
              Veteran
              • Jan 2004
              • 2428

              #7
              Good to see that one Judge in thy country still ruleth according to the Law.

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32555

                #8
                Originally posted by Jesus Christ
                Good to see that one Judge in thy country still ruleth according to the Law.




                I saw your sin, oh Lord before your edit.


                :eek:
                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • Warham
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14589

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  Yeah, well the new Congress can legislate against it as well. And didn't you recently chastise the court for upholding corporate Eminent Domain? So, you hate them when they allow the gov't/corps. to take away land, but you hope they take away freedoms and privacy by encouraging free-range gov't intrusion?
                  Demonstrate where your rights or my rights have been impeded by the NSA and perhaps I'll agree with you.

                  In fact, I'd like to hear from ANYONE in the country who's supposedly had their rights stomped on.

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                  • Warham
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 14589

                    #10
                    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                    Loosely?

                    Really WarBOT?

                    By this reume, she seems pretty judicial to me.

                    What are YOUR law credentials, moron?



                    Taylor, Anna Katherine Johnston Diggs
                    Born 1932 in Washington, DC

                    Federal Judicial Service:
                    Judge, U. S. District Court, Eastern District of Michigan
                    Nominated by Jimmy Carter on May 17, 1979, to a new seat created by 92 Stat. 1629; Confirmed by the Senate on October 31, 1979, and received commission on November 2, 1979. Served as chief judge, 1996-1998. Assumed senior status on December 31, 1998.

                    Education:
                    Barnard College, B.A., 1954

                    Yale Law School, LL.B., 1957

                    Professional Career:
                    Attorney, Office of Solicitor, U.S. Department of Labor, Washington, DC, 1957-1960
                    Assistant Wayne County prosecutor, Michigan, 1961-1962
                    Assistant U.S. attorney, Detroit, Michigan, 1966
                    Legislative assistant / Detroit office manager, U.S. Rep. Charles C. Diggs, Jr., 1967-70
                    Private practice, Detroit, Michigan, 1970-1975
                    Adjunct professor, Wayne State University School of Labor and Industrial Relations, 1972-1975
                    Supervising assistant corporation counsel, City of Detroit, Law Department, 1975-1979
                    Adjunct professor, Wayne State University Law School, 1976-1977

                    Race or Ethnicity: African American

                    Gender: Female







                    Been on the bench 25 years, but Warpig uses the term "judge" loosely.


                    LMMFAO

                    Idiot
                    Why the hatred, Lounge?

                    I knew your life was a mess, but why target your hostility at me?

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                    • Warham
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 14589

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jesus Christ
                      Good to see that one Judge in thy country still ruleth according to the Law.
                      The Supreme Court hasn't ruled yet, Oh False One.

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                      • LoungeMachine
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 32555

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Warham
                        Why the hatred, Lounge?

                        I knew your life was a mess, but why target your hostility at me?


                        a] You know why I hate you, so don't be coy.

                        b] Mess? Nice "mess" from where I'm sitting

                        How's work?


                        [ good to see you and Nick back, it's been boring slapping around the lightweights ]
                        Originally posted by Kristy
                        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                        Originally posted by cadaverdog
                        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49137

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Warham
                          Demonstrate where your rights or my rights have been impeded by the NSA and perhaps I'll agree with you.


                          Demonstrate where your rights have been infringed by the Eminent Domain?

                          You won't really know, because they won't exactly tell you, will they? Until it happens that is, and it's a slippery slope to autocratic secret police surveillance.

                          In fact, I'd like to hear from ANYONE in the country who's supposedly had their rights stomped on.
                          Who do you think filed the suit nitwit!?!

                          And some people (Randy Rhodes) have claimed that they've have personal monetary transactions held up under Patriot Act money-transfer regulations in their personal bank accounts causing them payroll problems with their businesses.

                          The only way CointelPro was revealed was through a burglary of an FBI office in the 1970s.

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                          • Warham
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 14589

                            #14
                            Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                            a] You know why I hate you, so don't be coy.

                            b] Mess? Nice "mess" from where I'm sitting

                            How's work?


                            [ good to see you and Nick back, it's been boring slapping around the lightweights ]
                            Work?

                            THIS is my work.

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                            • Warham
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 14589

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                              Demonstrate where your rights have been infringed by the Eminent Domain?

                              You won't really know, because they won't exactly tell you, will they? Until it happens that is, and it's a slippery slope to autocratic secret police surveillance.



                              Who do you think filed the suit nitwit!?!

                              And some people (Randy Rhodes) have claimed that they've have personal monetary transactions held up under Patriot Act money-transfer regulations in their personal bank accounts causing them payroll problems with their businesses.

                              The only way CointelPro was revealed was through a burglary of an FBI office in the 1970s.
                              Randy Rhodes???

                              How about pulling up a 'right-winger' who's rights have been violated. Or does the NSA just pick and choose lefties to monitor? And if so, why?

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